White privilege

jillio said:
I've told you where to find it, koko. Be responsible for accessing that for which you seek answers. I have quoted no specific study, and therefore, am not obligated to provide any links or citations.
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Link please. Or are you purposely being evasive by making up stuff as you go along or what??
 
Jiro said:
oye! what's going on.... *catching up from post #1*

:zzz:
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Let me ask you, Jiro, as a Korean individual, and considered to be a "person of color", would you say that white privilege exists in this country?
 
kokonut said:
Link please. Or are you purposely being evasive by making up stuff as you go along or what??
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Like I stated, Koko. There is sufficient research available. You have also been provided the titles of several books. If you are unwilling to make the effort to learn, it is not the responsibility of me, or anyone else, to spoon feed information to you.

Now, back to the topic of white privilege.
 
jillio said:
And according to the latest data, that holds true today for the vast majority of African American families. "Underachiever" is an unfortunate stereotype that is less than accurrate.

Which is actually a very good example of white privilege in action. It is generally assumed that black children are underachieving at a greater rate than are white children. That stereotypical assumption ends in assumption (mistaken though it is) to differences in expectations, and consequently, treatment.
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If you said "according to the latest data" that means you have looked at that data and you have the specific reference to that latest data study, now either if you have a reference link to that study or a name of that study that I can look up myself or you do not. Otherwise, I see this as not credible if you cannot back up your assertion upon my simple request for a specific reference to that "latest data" you are claiming. I like to see it, please. Or a name for that study and the researcher(s) name as well.
 
CJB said:
It has much more to with that than just acting white. In fact a lot of people of color who "act white" benefit from psychological white privilege--the idea that most white people feel more comfortable around people of color that are "non-violent and well-spoken."
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Personally, I'm always more comfortable around people who are non-violent and well-spoken, regardless of color. The black people that I associate with also prefer the company of non-violent, well-spoken people, regardless of color. They don't want to hang in the hood with gangsta-types. Calling that "acting white" is very disrespectful, as though black people can't behave properly without mimicking white people.
 
kokonut said:
If you said "according to the latest data" that means you have looked at that data and you have the specific reference to that latest data study, now either if you have a reference link to that study or a name of that study that I can look up myself or you do not. Otherwise, I see this as not credible if you cannot back up your assertion upon my simple request for a specific reference to that "latest data" you are claiming. I like to see it, please. Or a name for that study and the researcher(s) name as well.
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It means that I have accessed the latest data from several different sources. It does not mean that I have made reference to any specific study.

But here's a starting point, since you seem to be unwilling to access those already provided: browse the Journal of Social and Behavioral Science.

Like I said, koko. Be responsible for your own learning. And stop trying to turn another thread into "All about Koko." If you cannot discuss the concept of white privilige, then you have absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread.
 
Reba said:
Personally, I'm always more comfortable around people who are non-violent and well-spoken, regardless of color. The black people that I associate with also prefer the company of non-violent, well-spoken people, regardless of color. They don't want to hang in the hood with gangsta-types. Calling that "acting white" is very disrespectful, as though black people can't behave properly without mimicking white people.
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I agree. The phrase "acting white" is playing into the very stereotypes that white privilege uses to keep the practice going.
 
CJB said:
This reminds me of something I've noticed. Generally speaking, white families pass down a cultural view of being confident in oneself, being sure that the world is more often than not willing to accommodate your desires, and just feeling sure about oneself. The general cultural belief that you can be successful and people think good of you unless otherwise proven.

In many families of color I noticed a reversed identity. A much more cynical view of the world, people are there to take advantage of you, to try to scam you. It might sound a bit exaggerated but I have come across these differences in mentality to various extremes.

In school the white students were almost always bragging about how they got A's and the black students were almost always bragging about how they failed this and were stupid in general and didn't care about school. These are all other examples of white privilege. Even just being raised in an environment that promotes self-confidence and a generally more positive view of the world gives one a privilege because people are more willing to take advantage of opportunities and to promote themselves in a positive light when they have a more positive world view.
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I rememeber that the guild master (she's black) of my warlock's old guild on World of Warcraft being cynical about Obama's chances of winning the election. Well given all the death threats and the fierce opposition to Obama, I can't help thinking that her fears weren't unfounded even though some white guy who's a liberal denied that people would do such things. I disagree.

I've seen first hand some of this racism and it was a blatant case of rascim when I lived in my old apt in Richmond Va. I can also cite example of racism toward Mexicans in my old neighborhood in Charlotte NC. I could get away with a lot more as a white woman than than my mexican neighbors.
 
CJB said:
This reminds me of something I've noticed. Generally speaking, white families pass down a cultural view of being confident in oneself, being sure that the world is more often than not willing to accommodate your desires, and just feeling sure about oneself. The general cultural belief that you can be successful and people think good of you unless otherwise proven.

In many families of color I noticed a reversed identity. A much more cynical view of the world, people are there to take advantage of you, to try to scam you. It might sound a bit exaggerated but I have come across these differences in mentality to various extremes.

In school the white students were almost always bragging about how they got A's and the black students were almost always bragging about how they failed this and were stupid in general and didn't care about school. These are all other examples of white privilege. Even just being raised in an environment that promotes self-confidence and a generally more positive view of the world gives one a privilege because people are more willing to take advantage of opportunities and to promote themselves in a positive light when they have a more positive world view.
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that's why Bill Cosby spoke harshly of black comedians for continuing to use racist jokes. He preached that if the black community wants to get out of prevailing stereotype and racism in here, they need to clean up their acts. They need to stop continuing to use racist jokes that cheapen themselves in front of community of all races.
 
jillio said:
Let me ask you, Jiro, as a Korean individual, and considered to be a "person of color", would you say that white privilege exists in this country?
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yup. it is not unheard of that many Korean families who immigrated to America wanted their daughters to be married off to white men because of job stability and societal status of "white privilege." My 2 cousins in LA are the prime example of it.

Their parents are just naturally concerned for their daughters' well-beings and their future grandchildren. They must adapt out of traditional homogeneity and adjust to heterogeneity lifestyle in America if they want to set the root in America. This concept holds true for pretty much all races.
 
Reba said:
Personally, I'm always more comfortable around people who are non-violent and well-spoken, regardless of color. The black people that I associate with also prefer the company of non-violent, well-spoken people, regardless of color. They don't want to hang in the hood with gangsta-types. Calling that "acting white" is very disrespectful, as though black people can't behave properly without mimicking white people.
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Many blacks don't care much for gansta rap or anthing of it's ilk. I have always hated gansta rap music.
 
Jiro said:
yup. it is not unheard of that many Korean families who immigrated to America wanted their daughters to be married off to white men because of job stability and societal status of "white privilege." My 2 cousins in LA are the prime example of it.

Their parents are just naturally concerned for their daughters' well-beings and their future grandchildren. They must adapt out of traditional homogeneity and adjust to heterogeneity lifestyle in America if they want to set the root in America.
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Yes, that is the answer I expected you would give. White privilege does not just apply to those of African American descent, but can be seen in the treatment and the stereotyping of any person of color.
 
jillio said:
Yes, that is the answer I expected you would give. White privilege does not just apply to those of African American descent, but can be seen in the treatment and the stereotyping of any person of color.
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yep. my post holds true for pretty much all non-Caucasian races. A rather interesting phenomenon and a very difficult subject to understand especially for Caucasian people.
 
jillio said:
It means that I have accessed the latest data from several different sources. It does not mean that I have made reference to any specific study.

But here's a starting point, since you seem to be unwilling to access those already provided: browse the Journal of Social and Behavioral Science.

Like I said, koko. Be responsible for your own learning. And stop trying to turn another thread into "All about Koko." If you cannot discuss the concept of white privilige, then you have absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread.
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I need specific references to that "latest study" you are claiming. Since you are now claiming that you have seen these "latest data" in "Social and Behaviorial Science" which means you supposedly know the names of that "latest data" and I'm asking you to provide me specific names. Why are you purposely being evasive? I asked simply for a link and/or reference(s) to that "latest data" you are now claiming you did in fact accessed those resources you should have an idea of exactly what name of that specific study.

Note the difference, Jill.

You made the claim ("latest data").

I simply made a request from you any specific reference(s) such as names of the study, researchers (whatever) and a link (which would be highly helpful) so I can see for myself the same data you looked at. But rather than help, I get the same unprofessional Jilliosm runaround spiel time and time again. Why am I not surprised? How odd this is when you ask the same thing of other people here in AD requesting links and references to back up their claims or assertions yet when people ask you the same thing you tell them to go look it up for themselves. There's a word for that and it starts with the letter "H."

I would like some tangible data (ergo "proof") from what you are saying is true. I am interested in the same data you've looked at (supposedly so). Otherwise, for all we could know you're pulling a bunch nonsense out of your arse. What are we supposed to think?
 
^^ wow. you talk too much, kokonut. should have used that effort in searching for it.
 
kokonut said:
Hello! She made the claim "according to the latest data." I like to see that data, too.
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so why don't you find it? that's what I would do. That's how I debated with Jillio in gun threads long while back :)

Less Talk, More Action
 
Jiro said:
yep. my post holds true for pretty much all non-Caucasian races. A rather interesting phenomenon and a very difficult subject to understand especially for Caucasian people.
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I agree. It is difficult for Caucasions to understand, because they unconsciously benefit from it on a daily basis without ever considering it. Only when they stop and assess some things from an honest perspective are they able to see that white privilege does exist, and that they have benefited from it in numerous ways. That's why I think that a thread like this is useful, if people approach it from the perspective of learning and honesty. It provides the opportunity to learn not just about the perceptions and behaviors of others, but of ourselves, as well. It can be an opportunity for growth and self awareness.
 
Of course, I have the "white privilege." It's real. It exists. I've observed it.

I remember 20/20 doing that - a white man with same background as black man... black man is well educated.. i mean, literally their backgrounds are virtually identical but the black man was always treated as a second class citizen while the white man was showered with kindness, help, and offers.
 
Jiro said:
so why don't you find it? that's what I would do. That's how I debated with Jillio in gun threads long while back :)

Less Talk, More Action
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Exactly. You took responsibility for finding the answers you were looking for. You did not ask anyone to spoon feed information to you.

But, let's resist the efforts to turn what can be a reasonable and productive discussion into an argumentative thread, once again. Most have been able to do that, and there is no reason why we should be taken off track.
 
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