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The troopers in Iraq will be not out until 2011, that what Obama promised, is it right?

If that is the case then my brother would not be deployed over there.

They dont go over til Middle of November, and the order after arriving is to stay almost a year. That's well into the 2011 year.
 
Ron Paul is an Avid gamer.....You probably play against him online

Oh really. :shock:

I would like him due gamer but I disagree with some of his political views, especially on gay rights but he is no worse than Richard Shelby.

I feel so seriously disturbed by Obama because he's whining about young people play Xbox 360 and don't focus on education, come on, Obama, wake up, there are Wii and PS3 so gaming is just fun and it don't interfere with learning.
 
He's not so much a Repub because of the unfairness of the 2 party system, he didn't really have much of a choice if he wants to get elected. He's actually more of a Libertarian. But he'll use the Repub if that will help him get elected.

First thing he will do if elected is yank the military out of Iraq and Pakistan immediately. We've done enough as it is over there and it's time for them to come home. Obama did promise to do that, but failed to deliver.

Yiz

1. Ron Paul does not have access to highly classified information
2. Obama did announce that he will start withdrawing troop in July 2011 and completely by Dec 2011
3. Everybody as Presidential candidate said they will withdraw troop immediately and now nobody is. why? One got PDB (President's Daily Brief) every morning and realized it isn't easy as he thought.
4. I guarantee you that even Ron Paul can't do it
 
1. Ron Paul does not have access to highly classified information
2. Obama did announce that he will start withdrawing troop in July 2011 and completely by Dec 2011
3. Everybody as Presidential candidate said they will withdraw troop immediately and now nobody is. why? One got PDB (President's Daily Brief) every morning and realized it isn't easy as he thought.
4. I guarantee you that even Ron Paul can't do it

What about Randolph Scott

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*chirp chirp*

waiting.....

You know the answer to this already........it appears you are baiting

But anyway.....18USC 211 18USC595 18USC600

Yeah they gotta prove Obama knew.......That's what a special prosecutor would try to determine.

I don't think many buy this advisory panel non paid BS.....Oh yeah I am sure EVERYBODY would just love to give up their aspirations of becoming a Senator to volunteer on a board instead.:roll: Many people close to this story still say the job offer was Secretary of the Navy.

Impeachable??? That is for Congress to decide. But if Obama KNEW it certainly rises to the level of high crime or misdemeanor. It will be interesting to see if the Obama administration will keep it's promise of transparency and allow a special prosecutor to decide what should be done.
 
You know the answer to this already........it appears you are baiting

But anyway.....18USC 211 18USC595 18USC600

Yeah they gotta prove Obama knew.......That's what a special prosecutor would try to determine.

I don't think many buy this advisory panel non paid BS.....Oh yeah I am sure EVERYBODY would just love to give up their aspirations of becoming a Senator to volunteer on a board instead.:roll: Many people close to this story still say the job offer was Secretary of the Navy.

Impeachable??? That is for Congress to decide. But if Obama KNEW it certainly rises to the level of high crime or misdemeanor. It will be interesting to see if the Obama administration will keep it's promise of transparency and allow a special prosecutor to decide what should be done.
It's baiting if I ask him to clarify more but it's not baiting for him to ask us to clarify? :confused:
 
The troopers in Iraq will be not out until 2011, that what Obama promised, is it right?

Unless the Military successfully talks him out of it, in which case that's what I believe is what they did in the first month in office. They somehow convinced him that pulling out NOW is a bad idea.

Obama needs to grow some balls and tell them NO!

Yiz
 
Unless the Military successfully talks him out of it, in which case that's what I believe is what they did in the first month in office. They somehow convinced him that pulling out NOW is a bad idea.

Obama needs to grow some balls and tell them NO!

Yiz

nope. it's other way around. didn't you read Logic of the Leak

n matters of war and peace, presidents expect their generals to give their best advice in private, keep it private and then faithfully carry out the Commander in Chief's decisions. But whenever wars sour and casualties mount, the perspectives of the White House and the Pentagon brass clash, the military lets its real views be known, and the public-policy brawls erupt. A new round of brawls looms over Afghanistan, and this one could be particularly costly.

This time the trigger is a couple of leaks from the most secret and sensitive White House meetings on Afghan policy. The disclosures can be found in Jonathan Alter's The Promise: President Obama, Year One, which has just been published, and will also appear in Bob Woodward's book about Obama due out this fall. They show Obama, much like a prosecutor, nailing down his generals' support for the U.S. troop withdrawals he would soon announce and trying to stanch the expected opposition. That opposition, the White House is well aware, could be a political killer for Obama, given the military's unmatchable public credibility. The two leaks — in Alter's case, quotations from an Oval Office discussion, and in Woodward's, actual notes from National Security Council meetings — almost certainly came from senior White House officials, likely with Obama's approval. The exchanges make the President look strong and the military defensive. (See pictures of Obama's first year in the White House.)

The battle between the new President and the Pentagon started last year when the generals asked for thousands more troops for Afghanistan than the White House wanted to deploy.

Last fall, Obama thought he had quieted the brass with a trade-off: he'd meet their demand for 30,000-plus more soldiers (bringing the total to about 100,000), and they'd back his call to begin troop reductions in July 2011. He soon sensed, however, that he'd have to do more to ensure the generals kept their end of the deal. The military still cringed at any hint of a deadline, arguing to fight longer with the full complement of troops in place. (See TIME's special report on Obama's first year.)

The dramatic Oval Office confrontation cited by Alter came just days before Obama was to announce both the 30,000 force add-ons and the July 2011 date to begin reductions. Attendees included Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen, Centcom commander General David Petraeus and National Security Adviser James Jones:

"Obama asked Petraeus, 'David, tell me now. I want you to be honest with me. You can do this in 18 months?'

'Sir, I'm confident we can train and hand over to the ANA [Afghan National Army] in that time frame,' the general replied.

'Good. No problem,' the President said. 'If you can't do the things you say you can in 18 months, then no one is going to suggest we stay, right?'

'Yes, sir, in agreement,' Petraeus said.

'Yes, sir,' Mullen said.

The President was crisp but informal. 'Bob, you have any problems?' he asked Gates, who said he was fine with it.

The President then encapsulated the new policy: in quickly, out quickly; focus on al-Qaeda, and build the Afghan army. 'I'm not asking you to change what you believe, but if you don't agree with me that we can execute this, say so now,' he said. No one said anything.

'Tell me now,' Obama repeated.

'Fully support, sir,' Mullen said.

'Ditto,' Petraeus said."

The White House leaked these conversations in part to show the world that the generals agreed to the July 2011 timetable last fall, whatever doubts they may have about it now. The military will surely be angered by the leaks and may be tempted to retaliate; most officers aren't crazy about Democrats or about Obama.

This is nasty business by all parties. Yet I have to believe that the leaked accounts are essentially true. They parallel my own conversations with senior officers. Whatever Alter suggests, the military didn't and doesn't agree to extracting all the troops in 18 months or any time frame, nor does the White House make that claim.

But whatever the generals really believe now about Afghan policy, they have had their full say, gotten most of the troops they requested and fought the war essentially their way. It's the President's responsibility to make the final calls — and to create a force-reduction strategy for Afghanistan that protects what will remain of America's interests there. The generals can and should help him do that. After 10 years of war in Afghanistan, American arms, men, women and treasure are needed far more elsewhere.
 
No.....It just had that feel. No biggie. :wave:

apparently it was "biggie" enough for you to jump in :dunno:

funny that it feels like baiting if I ask him to specify on what ground is it unconstitutional but it's not baiting when others have asked me to specify on what ground is Arizona's new immigration law unconstitutional :dunno:

moving on... nothing to see here.
 
apparently it was "biggie" enough for you to jump in :dunno:

funny that it feels like baiting if I ask him to specify on what ground is it unconstitutional but it's not baiting when others have asked me to specify on what ground is Arizona's new immigration law unconstitutional :dunno:

moving on... nothing to see here.

No no...Sorry if it sounded that way....Post was meant to be 2 part. 2nd part was to actually answer your question. :lol:
 
No no...Sorry if it sounded that way....Post was meant to be 2 part. 2nd part was to actually answer your question. :lol:

oh ok miscommunication/misunderstanding happens. no worry. no beef here.

shake hand on it? *spit at my hand*

.....maybe that's not so sanitary :ugh:
 
Geez

Colo. Senate Candidate Says White House Suggested 3 Jobs If He Quit Race

Published June 02, 2010
| Associated Press



WASHINGTON -- One of President Barack Obama's top advisers suggested to a Colorado Democrat that he forgo a primary challenge to Sen. Michael Bennet and instead apply for one of three international development jobs.

The disclosure came just days after the White House admitted orchestrating a job offer in the Pennsylvania Senate race with the similar goal of avoiding a messy or divisive Democratic primary.

The back-room deals -- former President Bill Clinton led the Pennsylvania effort and White House deputy chief of staff Jim Messina worked with former Colorado House Speaker Andrew Romanoff -- called into question Obama's repeated promises to run an open government.

Romanoff said in a statement Wednesday night that he was contacted by Messina last fall and told that the White House would support Bennet in the primary. When he said he would seek the nomination anyway, Messina "suggested three positions that might be available to me were I not pursuing the Senate race," Romanoff said. "He added that he could not guarantee my appointment to any of these positions."

Romanoff added: "At no time was I promised a job, nor did I request Mr. Messina's assistance in obtaining one."

Earlier Wednesday, a White House official insisted nothing inappropriate or illegal took place but didn't provide the details Romanoff offered in his statement and a copy of an e-mail he had received from Messina.

"Mr. Romanoff was recommended to the White House from Democrats in Colorado for a position in the administration," White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton said. "There were some initial conversations with him, but no job was ever offered."

Yet even the appearance of trading taxpayer-funded jobs to ease an ally's political path left questions for an administration that was the most transparent in history.

Messina, a tough-minded veteran of Senate politics and one of the president's best fixers, spoke with Romanoff on Sept. 11, 2009, and suggested that Romanoff might better use his time at the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Messina sent Romanoff job descriptions for three positions: an administrator for Latin America and Caribbean; the chief of the Office of Democracy and Governance; and the director of the U.S. Trade and Development Agency.

Romanoff said he later left a message on Messina's voice mail saying he would continue his Senate campaign.

The Colorado episode follows a similar controversy in Pennsylvania. An embarrassed White House admitted last Friday that it turned to Clinton last year to approach Rep. Joe Sestak about backing out of the primary in favor of an unpaid position on a federal advisory board.

Sestak declined the offer and defeated Sen. Arlen Specter late last month for the Democratic nomination after disclosing the job discussions. His supporters highlighted it as evidence of Sestak's antiestablishment political credentials. He said last week he rejected Clinton's feeler in less than a minute.

In a two-page report on the Sestak case, the White House counsel said the administration did nothing illegal or unethical.

Republicans have strongly criticized the offer to Sestak and challenged the White House's ethics.

"Just how deep does the Obama White House's effort to invoke Chicago-style politics for the purpose of manipulating elections really go?" said Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican who unsuccessfully sought a Justice Department investigation into Sestak and showed no sign of slowing.

"Clearly, Joe Sestak and Andrew Romanoff aren't isolated incidents and are indicative of a culture that embraces the politics-as-usual mentality that the American people are sick and tired of. Whatever the Obama brand use to stand for has been irrevocably shattered by the activities going on inside Barack Obama's White House," Issa said.

Unlike Sestak, Romanoff had ducked questions on the subject until issuing his statement Wednesday night. Also unlike Sestak, Romanoff was out of office and looking for his next act after being forced from his job because of term limits.

Romanoff had sought appointment to the Senate seat that eventually went to Bennet, publicly griped he had been passed over and then discussed possible appointment possibilities inside the administration, one of the officials said.

After being passed over for the Senate appointment, the out-of-power Romanoff made little secret of shopping for a political job. Romanoff also applied to be Colorado secretary of state, a job that came open when Republican Mike Coffman was elected to Congress. Gov. Bill Ritter again appointed a replacement, and again passed over Romanoff.

Next, according to several Colorado Democrats speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss internal negotiations, Romanoff also approached Ritter about being Ritter's running mate for Ritter's re-election bid. It was only after that attempt failed, the Colorado Democrats said, that Romanoff joined the Senate contest.

Romanoff still wasn't settled on the Senate race. When Ritter announced in January that he wouldn't seek a second term after all, Romanoff publicly talked about leaving the Senate race to seek the governor's office, though he ended up staying in the Senate contest.

Bennet has outpaced Romanoff in fundraising and support from Washington, although party activists attending the state party assembly last month favored the challenger by a margin of 60 percent to 40 percent. The primary is Aug. 10.

Bennet was appointed by Ritter to fill out the final two years of the term of Ken Salazar, who resigned to become interior secretary.
 
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