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The more hearing, the better? Geez

Really?
If you met a blind person, and somebody else said to that blind person:
"I have a way to make you see but I am not sure how well you'll be able to see as it is different to everyone"
what would your advice be, then?
"Oh, remain blind as bat, because it's "the best""??
How very generous and wise.

Have you ever considered Shel that your thinking is simply outdated?

This 'deafies' vs 'hearies' attitude is getting old.

Fuzzy
 
Really?
If you met a blind person, and somebody else said to that blind person:
"I have a way to make you see but I am not sure how well you'll be able to see as it is different to everyone"
what would your advice be, then?
"Oh, remain blind as bat, because it's "the best""??
How very generous and wise.

Have you ever considered Shel that your thinking is simply outdated?

This 'deafies' vs 'hearies' attitude is getting old.

Fuzzy

No, attitudes like yours is what oppresses deaf people for decades. It is getting seriously old.
 
Where are you? Profit motive at work here? Get a second and third opinion by a disinterested doctor.

That's how it is in some places.

They did that to me when I got my hearing test at one audiologist. I wanted a new hearing and she needed to do a up-to-date hearing test to determine which BTE hearing aid was best for me. By the end of the hearing test, she immediately said that I was a candidate for cochlear implants and made a bunch of suggestive remarks that I should get cochlear implants. When I told her that I wanted to stick with the hearing aid, she hesitated for a moment before sighing and proceeding with the paperwork for my hearing aid. I later found out from a friend who worked for the same place... she said that some of the audiologists get "bonuses" for referring people to get cochlear implants. :roll:

Anyways, I'm not saying that you shouldn't go for the cochlear implants option. You should get additional opinions from other doctors... preferably the ones that are not biased with cochlear implants.
 
Really?
If you met a blind person, and somebody else said to that blind person:
"I have a way to make you see but I am not sure how well you'll be able to see as it is different to everyone"
what would your advice be, then?
"Oh, remain blind as bat, because it's "the best""??
How very generous and wise.

Fuzzy

Do NOT bring vision into this

The Deafblind and the Blind(culturally) have diffident issues

And yes lots training in non visual skills(braille,cane skills,house management) is what is recommended by the both the Deafblind and Blind

So yes non visual(Blind) can be "the best"(as you put it)
 
No, attitudes like yours is what oppresses deaf people for decades. It is getting seriously old.

WHAT oppression? you are oppressing yourself!
only you refuse to see it!

what's wrong with being able to hear as much as possible?
I am not asking you to stop being deaf and stop having deaf culture.


Fuzzy
 
do implant, any amount of hearing is beneficial,
the more the better,

but also make sure your child will be immersed in deaf world, deaf culture,
learn ASL
very like the bilingual parents' children does.

Fuzzy

Correction. Any amount of hearing is beneficial to you. Not necessarily so for everyone.:cool2: You seriously need to do some self examination on those audist beliefs of yours. You are another example of a deaf audist.
 
WHAT oppression? you are oppressing yourself!
only you refuse to see it!

what's wrong with being able to hear as much as possible?
I am not asking you to stop being deaf and stop having deaf culture.


Fuzzy

Oh my god...not even going to answer this.
 
WHAT oppression? you are oppressing yourself!
only you refuse to see it!

what's wrong with being able to hear as much as possible?
I am not asking you to stop being deaf and stop having deaf culture.


Fuzzy

Uhh...AudistFuzzy...that would be Deaf and Deaf culture.:giggle:
 
ahhh SillioJillio.. thank you for the correction :giggle:

Fuzzy
 
That's how it is in some places.

They did that to me when I got my hearing test at one audiologist. I wanted a new hearing and she needed to do a up-to-date hearing test to determine which BTE hearing aid was best for me. By the end of the hearing test, she immediately said that I was a candidate for cochlear implants and made a bunch of suggestive remarks that I should get cochlear implants. When I told her that I wanted to stick with the hearing aid, she hesitated for a moment before sighing and proceeding with the paperwork for my hearing aid. I later found out from a friend who worked for the same place... she said that some of the audiologists get "bonuses" for referring people to get cochlear implants. :roll:

Anyways, I'm not saying that you shouldn't go for the cochlear implants option. You should get additional opinions from other doctors... preferably the ones that are not biased with cochlear implants.
That doesn't surprise me at ALL!!!!!
 
Do NOT bring vision into this

The Deafblind and the Blind(culturally) have diffident issues

And yes lots training in non visual skills(braille,cane skills,house management) is what is recommended by the both the Deafblind and Blind

So yes non visual(Blind) can be "the best"(as you put it)

Um why not? Blind kids deal with the same things that Deaf kids do. Matter of fact, traditionally Blind kids have been educated under an exclusive "low vision" methodolgy, with little to no attention being paid to Braille.....sound familiar?!?!
 
That was the decision I made for my own deaf son. He is currently a graduate student at a major hearing university. He has no CI, and does not see how a CI could contribute anything to his life. He has a profound loss, yet was able to develop speech skills and communicates well using speech, but prefers sign.

How nice for him. I congratulate him.

You, however, Jillio hearie, I'll bet my both hands, you wonder every night
what would the outcome today be IF you decided to also implant him
at the right time?...

Would all that success come to him sooner, easier, more in this hearing world he is conquering now?
I'll bet it would, because like I've said before- any amount of hearing is beneficial.

Just saying. From personal experience. Oh, yes- the audist experience, that's right.

btw Jillio, your son is not fooling me.
Sure, normally he might be very level headed easygoing young man who has no hang-ups about his deafness.
But I am not being fooled. He may not going to ever tell you this
but - a deafie in a hearing world?

EVERYONE w/o exception has a dark hour from time to time, sooner or later,
sweetheart.
Not that I wish that on him, certainly not - but - I've been there, done that... I know firsthand all the intelligence and charm in the world is no match for the bullies and dolts in this society, sorry to tell you that.

That's when sometimes lil' bit of hearing could've come handy, you know.


In separate issue, your son Jillio was very lucky in having you as a mom in this aspect that you are obviously educated and somewhat knowledgeable in some pedagogy.

That is enormous help in raising a child in general, let alone a deaf child.
So of course your son is thriving as he is.
But generally, the parents does not have skills necessary to be a teacher - which is a learned skill, to teach- hence they can not assist their child/ren
with daily learning and later academic as well as you do with your son.

This is an important fact to be taken under consideration while getting excited over how well your deaf child is doing in a "hearing school".

Most of the deaf children in hearing schools are depending on themselves only (apart from school provided assistance, if any) and that's that.
That's environment where any amount of hearing still comes VERY handy.
I am not saying absolutely necessary, mind you - just HANDY.


And I don't see why the deaf people should deny themselves this bit of convenience, which is just what it is- a convenience for crissake, to be able to hear as much as it is possible.

I already mentioned how being able to hear either thru HAs or CI doesn't mean to be DC and ASL exclusive.


It's time for some pple to stop looking at the convenience of hearing thru their own painful childhood experience and separate simply the convenience of hearing
from their own personal traumas.


Fuzzy
 
How nice for him. I congratulate him.

You, however, Jillio hearie, I'll bet my both hands, you wonder every night
what would the outcome today be IF you decided to also implant him
at the right time?...

Would all that success come to him sooner, easier, more in this hearing world he is conquering now?
I'll bet it would, because like I've said before- any amount of hearing is beneficial.

Just saying. From personal experience. Oh, yes- the audist experience, that's right.

btw Jillio, your son is not fooling me.
Sure, normally he might be very level headed easygoing young man who has no hang-ups about his deafness.
But I am not being fooled. He may not going to ever tell you this
but - a deafie in a hearing world?

EVERYONE w/o exception has a dark hour from time to time, sooner or later,
sweetheart.
Not that I wish that on him, certainly not - but - I've been there, done that... I know firsthand all the intelligence and charm in the world is no match for the bullies and dolts in this society, sorry to tell you that.

That's when sometimes lil' bit of hearing could've come handy, you know.


In separate issue, your son Jillio was very lucky in having you as a mom in this aspect that you are obviously educated and somewhat knowledgeable in some pedagogy.

That is enormous help in raising a child in general, let alone a deaf child.
So of course your son is thriving as he is.
But generally, the parents does not have skills necessary to be a teacher - which is a learned skill, to teach- hence they can not assist their child/ren
with daily learning and later academic as well as you do with your son.

This is an important fact to be taken under consideration while getting excited over how well your deaf child is doing in a "hearing school".

Most of the deaf children in hearing schools are depending on themselves only (apart from school provided assistance, if any) and that's that.
That's environment where any amount of hearing still comes VERY handy.
I am not saying absolutely necessary, mind you - just HANDY.


And I don't see why the deaf people should deny themselves this bit of convenience, which is just what it is- a convenience for crissake, to be able to hear as much as it is possible.

I already mentioned how being able to hear either thru HAs or CI doesn't mean to be DC and ASL exclusive.


It's time for some pple to stop looking at the convenience of hearing thru their own painful childhood experience and separate simply the convenience of hearing
from their own personal traumas.


Fuzzy

The attitude in this post really isn't necessary.
 
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How nice for him. I congratulate him.

You, however, Jillio hearie, I'll bet my both hands, you wonder every night
what would the outcome today be IF you decided to also implant him
at the right time?...

Would all that success come to him sooner, easier, more in this hearing world he is conquering now?
I'll bet it would, because like I've said before- any amount of hearing is beneficial.

Just saying. From personal experience. Oh, yes- the audist experience, that's right.

btw Jillio, your son is not fooling me.
Sure, normally he might be very level headed easygoing young man who has no hang-ups about his deafness.
But I am not being fooled. He may not going to ever tell you this
but - a deafie in a hearing world?

EVERYONE w/o exception has a dark hour from time to time, sooner or later,
sweetheart.
Not that I wish that on him, certainly not - but - I've been there, done that... I know firsthand all the intelligence and charm in the world is no match for the bullies and dolts in this society, sorry to tell you that.

That's when sometimes lil' bit of hearing could've come handy, you know.


In separate issue, your son Jillio was very lucky in having you as a mom in this aspect that you are obviously educated and somewhat knowledgeable in some pedagogy.

That is enormous help in raising a child in general, let alone a deaf child.
So of course your son is thriving as he is.
But generally, the parents does not have skills necessary to be a teacher - which is a learned skill, to teach- hence they can not assist their child/ren
with daily learning and later academic as well as you do with your son.

This is an important fact to be taken under consideration while getting excited over how well your deaf child is doing in a "hearing school".

Most of the deaf children in hearing schools are depending on themselves only (apart from school provided assistance, if any) and that's that.
That's environment where any amount of hearing still comes VERY handy.
I am not saying absolutely necessary, mind you - just HANDY.


And I don't see why the deaf people should deny themselves this bit of convenience, which is just what it is- a convenience for crissake, to be able to hear as much as it is possible.

I already mentioned how being able to hear either thru HAs or CI doesn't mean to be DC and ASL exclusive.


It's time for some pple to stop looking at the convenience of hearing thru their own painful childhood experience and separate simply the convenience of hearing
from their own personal traumas.


Fuzzy

I don't lay awake and wonder about any of my decisions regarding my son. I have every confidence in the fact that I made the right decisions for him. It is only people like you, who have yet to develop the confidence of accepting and loving who they are as they are that sit around and play the "what if" game.

My son isn't trying to fool you or anyone else. No need to. He is perfectly happy as a Deaf person. It is only those like you, who are so disturbed by their deafness that they fight against it day and night and sit around trying to find yet another way to become a hearie, that feels the need to fool anyone.

I really feel sorry for you. Obviously, it breeds some form of jealousy in you when you become aware of a Deaf person that has achieved more success than you have in all your attempts to be hearing so that you will have more success. My son, and many others like him (several who are members of this forum) have achieved more success in their lives as Deaf people than you will ever be able to achieve, no matter how many devices you try and how much hearing you achieve.
 
Um why not? Blind kids deal with the same things that Deaf kids do. Matter of fact, traditionally Blind kids have been educated under an exclusive "low vision" methodolgy, with little to no attention being paid to Braille.....sound familiar?!?!


No way. Blind children don't deal with even remotely close the language barrier in deaf children.
 
No way. Blind children don't deal with even remotely close the language barrier in deaf children.

Exactly. I am so tired of the blind comparisons. There is no comparison between blindness and deafness. For obvious reasons.
 
I don't lay awake and wonder about any of my decisions regarding my son. I have every confidence in the fact that I made the right decisions for him.

ah-haa.... :roll: :lol:

Fuzzy
 
ah-haa.... :roll: :lol:

Fuzzy

Seriously, Fuzzy. You need to stop with the character assassination. You made choices you are happy with; great. Jillio made choices for her son, that appear to have benefitted him and HE is happy with. They just happen to be DIFFERENT in perspective. So, um, what exactly is the issue here?

The difference in perspective is fine. Most of us learn from those with different perspectives. But, what is NOT OK is your holier than thou attitude.

What I'm finding hard to understand is why you insist on putting down the deaf on here who say they are HAPPY living their lives with ASL. You also seem to be attacking Jillio for no other reason than to do it.

Btw, I used to have great respect for you. But, that just went out the window. With that, I'm putting you on ignore as your attitudes disgust me.
 
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Seriously, Fuzzy. You need to stop with the character assassination. You made choices you are happy with; great. Jillio made choices for her son, that appear to have benefitted him and HE is happy with. They just happen to be DIFFERENT in perspective. So, um, what exactly is the issue here?

The difference in perspective is fine. Most of us learn from those with different perspectives. But, what is NOT OK is your holier than thou attitude.

What I'm finding hard to understand is why you insist on putting down the deaf on here who say they are HAPPY living their lives with ASL. You also seem to be attacking Jillio for no other than reason other than to do it.

Btw, I used to have great respect for you. But, that just went out the window. With that, I'm putting you on ignore as your attitudes disgust me.

No doubt. This thread started out as a hearing parent asking for support and answers, and the audists have turned in into a battle ground....AGAIN. And now they will turn it around and say the Deaf are unwelcoming to the new parents. Too bad for them, it is all here in black and white, and anyone who wishes to can see exactly where the BS started.
 
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