When are we allowed to let Hearing people join our culture and all.

[deafmedicalpoet]

I know alot of deaf people dont always enjoy hearing people entering our culture and our world. I feel like some hearing people shouldn't be allowed in our world at all. I am not trying to be rude here at all to interpreters, but you know there are people who just join our world and use it like its a fair ground rather than a serious place and a place to have a good time, but not always for fun. My fiance, Dan(Gnulinuxman) is accepted in because he doesnt look at our world and use it for fun or anything bad. I think we need to accept people like him into our world, but there are others that are very nosy and try to get you to let them in our world.

Dan who is Gnulinuxman is really a great person to have here in the Deaf world and culture, I think we should say to this wonderful man, Dan Brodzik. WELCOME TO THE DEAF CULTURE AND WORLD 100% DAN BRODZIK!!!!

If you dont agree here in my post then please dont reply at all. Thanks!!!

Kimana (Deaflinuxgeek)

 

[gnulinuxman]

Kim, you're weird... :roll:

But thanks....

 

[Angel]

I'm not one of these deaf people, I accept all people no matter whether they are hearing, CI users, hearing aids, wheelchair, etc etc....


Deaf culture is not only for Deaf people, but for all people around us....


I think more Deaf people need to be eduction and have more understanding where other hearing parents are coming from, instead of pushing them away give them a chance, and listen then you will be surprise to see they're not like what you think they're ...

Peace and accepting is what bring everyone together! ...

 

[deafdyke]

Deaf culture is not only for Deaf people, but for all people around us....

Precisely!!!! I even know of someone with a UNILATERAL loss who is attending a school for the Deaf! Why I know of hearing kids who use Sign b/c of disabilities like apraxia or tracheostomies.

 

[gnulinuxman]

I'm not one of these deaf people, I accept all people no matter whether they are hearing, CI users, hearing aids, wheelchair, etc etc....


Deaf culture is not only for Deaf people, but for all people around us....


I think more Deaf people need to be eduction and have more understanding where other hearing parents are coming from, instead of pushing them away give them a chance, and listen then you will be surprise to see they're not like what you think they're ...

Peace and accepting is what bring everyone together! ...

We know more hearing parents who are very LOUDLY against Deaf Culture than who support it. Deaflinuxgeek's parents are that way, for example, and she got punished violently for signing.

 

[VamPyroX]

I think anyone can be involved.

It often helps others understand culture better.

 

[gnulinuxman]

I think anyone can be involved.

It often helps others understand culture better.

Very true, especially if hearing people in it tell other hearing people about it (because most hearing people don't understand that there are many hearing people in the Deaf Culture).

 

[Angel]

We know more hearing parents who are very LOUDLY against Deaf Culture than who support it. Deaflinuxgeek's parents are that way, for example, and she got punished violently for signing.

I'm sorry but I only know a very few of them but I see more and more Deaf people pushing those hearing parents out of the Deaf Culture just cause they implant their deaf children with CI...


Sometimes I don't understand why?, they're no different than you and I or anybody

 

[pek1]

I know alot of deaf people dont always enjoy hearing people entering our culture and our world. I feel like some hearing people shouldn't be allowed in our world at all. I am not trying to be rude here at all to interpreters, but you know there are people who just join our world and use it like its a fair ground rather than a serious place and a place to have a good time, but not always for fun. My fiance, Dan(Gnulinuxman) is accepted in because he doesnt look at our world and use it for fun or anything bad. I think we need to accept people like him into our world, but there are others that are very nosy and try to get you to let them in our world.

Dan who is Gnulinuxman is really a great person to have here in the Deaf world and culture, I think we should say to this wonderful man, Dan Brodzik. WELCOME TO THE DEAF CULTURE AND WORLD 100% DAN BRODZIK!!!!

If you dont agree here in my post then please dont reply at all. Thanks!!!

Kimana (Deaflinuxgeek)

To you, Kim. However, the reason I write is to let you know that you shouldn't be using your fiances last name, you just don't know how many kooks are out there, willing to look you two up in the phone book and you need to be careful.

 

[Eve]

I don't think it is the issue of a hearing entering our culture, so much as a hearing trying to dictate to our culture. Some people come in, think they know everything, and try to take over. At least that is what I have an issue with.

 

[Lillys dad]

Kim, Pek1 is 100% correct. On a british motorcycle messageboard that I belong to, I had to prove a point to the guy. He said his personal info was secure enough that he felt safe posting his real name (first and last) as his username.
I told him that I could gather enough info to steal his identity about in a couple of hours, without paying for any info.
In under an hour, I had his home address, date of birth, social security number, home phone #, the highschool he graduated from (and year), his mothers name including maiden name (which is a very common password used by several companies), and so on.
Through researching the message board, I found his place of employment, hang out spots, and pictures of his family, I even found out how much he paid for his house and his assessed property value.

Fortunately, I am one of the good guys (cop). I gathered this info and posted all of the non sensitive info on the message board and emailed the sensitive stuff to him. Needless to say, he (and several others) removed thier real names and delicate info from the board.

You can find a wealth of info on anyone over the internet. You just have to know where to look.

 

[rockdrummer]

Kim, Pek1 is 100% correct. On a british motorcycle messageboard that I belong to, I had to prove a point to the guy. He said his personal info was secure enough that he felt safe posting his real name (first and last) as his username.
I told him that I could gather enough info to steal his identity about in a couple of hours, without paying for any info.
In under an hour, I had his home address, date of birth, social security number, home phone #, the highschool he graduated from (and year), his mothers name including maiden name (which is a very common password used by several companies), and so on.
Through researching the message board, I found his place of employment, hang out spots, and pictures of his family, I even found out how much he paid for his house and his assessed property value.

Fortunately, I am one of the good guys (cop). I gathered this info and posted all of the non sensitive info on the message board and emailed the sensitive stuff to him. Needless to say, he (and several others) removed thier real names and delicate info from the board.

You can find a wealth of info on anyone over the internet. You just have to know where to look.

Most of the info you found is public information and anyone can find it. I don't believe hiding your name is really gonna protect you that much especially if you are listed in the phone book. Anyone wanting to steal an identy can go through a phone book and get your name address and phone number to start out with. It's the bank account numbers, credit card numbers, social security numbers etc that you want to protect. And Lilly's dad... you ride? Me to my brutha... keep the rubber side down.

 

[Lillys dad]

Rock, true most of the info is public info. But why put more info out there than necessary?

Were you aware that even unlisted numbers are public info? Yep! unlisted just means that its not in the phone book. You can still easily get an unlisted number. If you really want to keep your phone #, name and address out of public info, you must request to get you phone # "unpublished".
Getting your # unpublished cost a few $ per year but it is worth it. Due to my line of work , mine gets unpublished at no cost. My vehicles, my wifes vehicles do not even exist if you run the license plates through a department of revenue computer. If you run my driver license, it only shows that I have a valid license, no address, dob or anything else. These are things that are onlt available to those in law enforcement.
(side track time) several years ago, a prison guard was killed in his driveway, an investigation revealed that an prisoner had a family member that was a cop. The cop ran the guards name and gave it the prisoner. The prisoner in turn had the guard killed. Becasue of this, it is now possible for cops to restrict thier info. The bill was named the "Stanze bill" in the state of Mo. It was named after a coworker of mine that spent years trying to get this law passed. He was murdered in teh line of duty, so out of respect for him, they named the law after him when it finally passed.

 

[Lillys dad]

So Rock, what do you ride? I ride a 2001 Triumph Sprint. I grew up on the back of old British bikes so they are in my blood. I actually sold my old 65 Triumph Bonniville a couple years back. Man I miss that bike.
May you always have miles of freshly paved asphault and no bugs to get caught in your teeth!

 

[rockdrummer]

So Rock, what do you ride? I ride a 2001 Triumph Sprint. I grew up on the back of old British bikes so they are in my blood. I actually sold my old 65 Triumph Bonniville a couple years back. Man I miss that bike.
May you always have miles of freshly paved asphault and no bugs to get caught in your teeth!

I ride a 95 Vulcan Classic. I've been riding since I was 17 and love it. I've owned nothing but Kawa's but only by chance and not design. Triumph's are nice rides. I was considering one the last time I went to the bike show. I forgot the model but it was a bagger and was an awsome bike. I just don't think the wife would have gone for it unless I sell what I have first. Keep the rubber side down bro!!

 

[Passivist]

I don't think it is the issue of a hearing entering our culture, so much as a hearing trying to dictate to our culture. Some people come in, think they know everything, and try to take over. At least that is what I have an issue with.

The majority of those with hearing loss don't want in to deaf culture, I gather more hearing show an interest, but that maybe because they are either familes with deaf, or looking for a job in it. There are signs (No pun intended), that cultural deaf now want to attract the 'other' deaf, (Didn't Weiner at Gallaudet say they need to be more inclusive anyway ?), but have been met with indifference, perhaps the last 15 years of deaf 'power' that left many non-cultural deaf on the sidelines, has bred an attitude OK, so who needs culture anyway ? The UK deaf club scene once the centre of deaf culture, now is struggling to survive, and has had no success attracting ANYONE outside the old deaf school areas,even then,the youth don't go any more, because they are doing what youth usually do, having a good time elsewhere instead. Some are in for a shock when they are older, and will find there are no clubs to go to, when the party is over... even starting up clubs then, it is going to not be as it was, a base for deaf culturality.

 

[Casperman]

accept others...

I can accept others as long they respect our Deaf Culture if they dont, Get outta!

 

[Passivist]

I can accept others as long they respect our Deaf Culture if they dont, Get outta!

Well, there are many deaf besides those with a culture. They will bring their own 'ways' of doing things. The may well respect your culture, but don't expect them to be a part of it, they will expect you to respond the same, so co-existence requires compromise, you cannot open the doors and then state you go that way we go this way, you will be driving them away, and perhaps deprivingthe cultural community of members who can help and support it where there is a common need e.g. access numbers are vital, and both sides of the deaf question have a common themse here. I suggest dropping the my way or the highway approach, it won't help. Pride is all very well, it don't pay the bills.

 

[Lillys dad]

Very well said!

 

[Bluerobin]

I am a "hearing person". I went to this forum when I started sating a deaf man, so I could understand him better. We have since then split but I choose to stay involved because I like the people here. I honestly dont see how much different we all are. We all still the same on the inside. I can imagine though that there are some prejudiced people out there just waiting to hurt someone's feelings or patronize them. I can see how a deaf person would feel defensive. The judgements need to be put aside on both accounts so we can all live happily together. Too bad some people wont even take the chance to get to know the other side....