What your plan for Columbus Day 3 days weekend ?

whatdidyousay! said:
I also agree with her , I wish we would stop having Columbus Day and stop telling students a pack of lies about how wonderful he was . I remember that damn poem we had to remeber about him in grade school . What a waste of time that was !
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Here you go I'm going to make you learn it again. :laugh2:


IN 1492

In fourteen hundred ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

He had three ships and left from Spain;
He sailed through sunshine, wind and rain.

He sailed by night; he sailed by day;
He used the stars to find his way.

A compass also helped him know
How to find the way to go.

Ninety sailors were on board;
Some men worked while others snored.

Then the workers went to sleep;
And others watched the ocean deep.

Day after day they looked for land;
They dreamed of trees and rocks and sand.

October 12 their dream came true,
You never saw a happier crew!

"Indians! Indians!" Columbus cried;
His heart was filled with joyful pride.

But "India" the land was not;
It was the Bahamas, and it was hot.

The Arakawa natives were very nice;
They gave the sailors food and spice.

Columbus sailed on to find some gold
To bring back home, as he'd been told.

He made the trip again and again,
Trading gold to bring to Spain.

The first American? No, not quite.
But Columbus was brave, and he was bright.
 
Annie09Z said:
Here you go I'm going to make you learn it again. :laugh2:


IN 1492

In fourteen hundred ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

He had three ships and left from Spain;
He sailed through sunshine, wind and rain.

He sailed by night; he sailed by day;
He used the stars to find his way.

A compass also helped him know
How to find the way to go.

Ninety sailors were on board;
Some men worked while others snored.

Then the workers went to sleep;
And others watched the ocean deep.

Day after day they looked for land;
They dreamed of trees and rocks and sand.

October 12 their dream came true,
You never saw a happier crew!

"Indians! Indians!" Columbus cried;
His heart was filled with joyful pride.

But "India" the land was not;
It was the Bahamas, and it was hot.

The Arakawa natives were very nice;
They gave the sailors food and spice.

Columbus sailed on to find some gold
To bring back home, as he'd been told.

He made the trip again and again,
Trading gold to bring to Spain.

The first American? No, not quite.
But Columbus was brave, and he was bright.
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:nana: You can't make me ! That feel good to be able to finally say about this poem ! You can give me a big fat 'F' on this poem LOL!
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I also agree with her , I wish we would stop having Columbus Day and stop telling students a pack of lies about how wonderful he was . I remember that damn poem we had to remeber about him in grade school . What a waste of time that was !
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I think for the past two months or so, the cities have adopted the Indigenous People's Day instead of Columbus Day. Here are the cities that have approved to change from Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day.

1. Albuquerque, New Mexico – The city’s formal declaration”encourages businesses, organizations and public entities to recognize Indigenous Peoples Day, which shall be used to reflect upon the ongoing struggles of Indigenous people on this land, and to celebrate the thriving culture and value that our Indigenous nations add to our City.”

2. Lawrence, KS – Since September, students from Haskell University in Lawrence, Kansas have been taking initiative and pushing for the city to honor their ancestors by declaring October 12th Indigenous Peoples’ day. Just this Wednesday, they won.

3. Portland, OR – Portland’s City Council declared Indigenous Peoples’ day on Tuesday, something tribal leaders have been seeking since 1954.

4. St. Paul, MN – In August, St. Paul followed Minneapolis by declaring Indigenous Peoples’ Day instead of Columbus Day. Minneapolis passed its own resolution last year.

5. Bexar County, TX – The resolution was passed Tuesday, and local activists intend to press for the same thing in San Antonio.

6. Anadarko, OK – In September, Anadarko declared Indigenous Peoples’ Day. Anadarko Mayor Kyle Eastwood signed the proclamation while surrounded by tribal leaders from the Apache, Choctaw, Delaware, Wichita and others.

7. Olympia, WA – Mayor Pro Tem Nathaniel Jones presented Olympia’s proclamation at a rally in August. Nearly 150 people showed up to support the initiative.

8. Alpena, MI – In September, Mayor Matt Waligora declared Indigenous Peoples’ Day. The city says they desire “to develop a strong and productive relationship with all indigenous peoples, including the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe, based on mutual respect and trust.”

These cities are following in the footsteps of Seattle and Minneapolis. Meanwhile, Oklahoma City came close to passing it in September and will try to pass it again on October 13th, the day after the holiday.

City Council Member Rey Garduño wrote and proposed the proclamation, with guidance from local activists. The campaign was initiated last year during an “Abolish Columbus Day” demonstration at City Hall.

Although these changes have been quite recent, the struggle for the recognition of Indigenous Peoples Day has been going on since 1954, when the idea was first proposed in Portland, OR.

The Albuquerque Police Department have a notorious record of harassing and killing oppressed people. Their law enforcement divisions have shot 50 people resulting in 28 fatalities since 2010. In Albuquerque, Indigenous people compose 4.6 of the city’s population, but 13% of its consistently homeless population.

This name change is a fantastic trend that needs to grow fast, but it needs to be followed up by concrete action and legislation. Nationwide (and worldwide – particularly in Latin American countries that have suffered from US-backed coups), Indigenous people suffer from economic inequality, health problems, and human rights abuses. It’s time we celebrate their culture and tradition rather than their oppressors’, and it’s time we give back to those we’ve taken so much from.
 
Bebonang said:
I think for the past two months or so, the cities have adopted the Indigenous People's Day instead of Columbus Day. Here are the cities that have approved to change from Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day.

1. Albuquerque, New Mexico – The city’s formal declaration”encourages businesses, organizations and public entities to recognize Indigenous Peoples Day, which shall be used to reflect upon the ongoing struggles of Indigenous people on this land, and to celebrate the thriving culture and value that our Indigenous nations add to our City.”

2. Lawrence, KS – Since September, students from Haskell University in Lawrence, Kansas have been taking initiative and pushing for the city to honor their ancestors by declaring October 12th Indigenous Peoples’ day. Just this Wednesday, they won.

3. Portland, OR – Portland’s City Council declared Indigenous Peoples’ day on Tuesday, something tribal leaders have been seeking since 1954.

4. St. Paul, MN – In August, St. Paul followed Minneapolis by declaring Indigenous Peoples’ Day instead of Columbus Day. Minneapolis passed its own resolution last year.

5. Bexar County, TX – The resolution was passed Tuesday, and local activists intend to press for the same thing in San Antonio.

6. Anadarko, OK – In September, Anadarko declared Indigenous Peoples’ Day. Anadarko Mayor Kyle Eastwood signed the proclamation while surrounded by tribal leaders from the Apache, Choctaw, Delaware, Wichita and others.

7. Olympia, WA – Mayor Pro Tem Nathaniel Jones presented Olympia’s proclamation at a rally in August. Nearly 150 people showed up to support the initiative.

8. Alpena, MI – In September, Mayor Matt Waligora declared Indigenous Peoples’ Day. The city says they desire “to develop a strong and productive relationship with all indigenous peoples, including the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe, based on mutual respect and trust.”

These cities are following in the footsteps of Seattle and Minneapolis. Meanwhile, Oklahoma City came close to passing it in September and will try to pass it again on October 13th, the day after the holiday.

City Council Member Rey Garduño wrote and proposed the proclamation, with guidance from local activists. The campaign was initiated last year during an “Abolish Columbus Day” demonstration at City Hall.

Although these changes have been quite recent, the struggle for the recognition of Indigenous Peoples Day has been going on since 1954, when the idea was first proposed in Portland, OR.

The Albuquerque Police Department have a notorious record of harassing and killing oppressed people. Their law enforcement divisions have shot 50 people resulting in 28 fatalities since 2010. In Albuquerque, Indigenous people compose 4.6 of the city’s population, but 13% of its consistently homeless population.

This name change is a fantastic trend that needs to grow fast, but it needs to be followed up by concrete action and legislation. Nationwide (and worldwide – particularly in Latin American countries that have suffered from US-backed coups), Indigenous people suffer from economic inequality, health problems, and human rights abuses. It’s time we celebrate their culture and tradition rather than their oppressors’, and it’s time we give back to those we’ve taken so much from.
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How disappointing that my state not on this list . :(
 
caz said:
DiscoverSouth America he brought chocolate back potatoes tomato him or others wipe out native West Indian natives.You got worse Roman Catholics followed by the Puritons.
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As Separatists, the Pilgrims left England in search of a new place to live and worship (hence the name "Pilgrim"); the Puritans stayed in England trying to reform the Church of England from the inside (that is, to "purify" it).

Spanish Catholics went to Central and South America, southwestern and southeastern North America.

Pilgrims went to northeastern coast of what is today New England.
 
So columbus never actually stepped foot on what is now known as america...
Mmmm.
 
hoichi said:
So columbus never actually stepped foot on what is now known as america...
Mmmm.
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Oh, yes, he had stepped onto the shore like in Florida where it is part of Bahamas. Bahamas is an island almost closer to the keys of Florida. It is still America. That was long before the Pilgrims and the Mayflower ships came to the shore of New England. They are both far different from each other in miles apart. Spanish Columbus came first and then the English Pilgrims came later.

Reba, correct me if I am wrong. Thank you.
 
Bebonang said:
Oh, yes, he had stepped onto the shore like in Florida where it is part of Bahamas. Bahamas is an island almost closer to the keys of Florida. It is still America. That was long before the Pilgrims and the Mayflower ships came to the shore of New England. They are both far different from each other in miles apart. Spanish Columbus came first and then the English Pilgrims came later.

Reba, correct me if I am wrong. Thank you.
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You are correct that Columbus came first in 1492. The Pilgrims came later in 1620.
 
Bahamas isnt america. Its part of the americas, caribean...

Im asking if columbus stepped foot in any part of what became the united states.
America is named after another italian, vespucci amerigo..

Heres the thing.
And its not justifying the bad deads colunbus did.

The white man was comming. Columbus or not.

Once the turks conquered the remnants of the byzantine empire, and conquered constantinople. Thus closing trade routes via standard silk road routes from the west to the east. New trade routes had to be found..and they where..via the oceans. While the turks were successfull with the byzentines, the opposite was the case for muslems in spain. The reconquest of catholic spain from the morres by catholics was total with the fall of toledo and the last morish citidals in 1492.

This victory presented some serious plms for the spanish crown.

What to do with all those thousands and thousands of young, fresh from the fight conquestidors in whos only means for social mobility was either marriege (slim chance), or war..once catholic spain was re conquered, conquistadors, young, trained, violent, bored, fresh from the fight, started causing trouble..

What to do with all these upstarts?
Send them that way of course...
(Pointing across the ocean blue)

And that way they went. To conquer, like they just got done doing, the reconquest of catholic spain from the morres took around 700 years...the first generation of conquistadors heading that way (points to the ocean blue).
Knew what they were doing, they were experienced fighters. From a long established culture and class of fighting men. They werent going to after the victory over the morres simply stop fighting and accept their small place with little under strict feudalism...

So
This way they came..

Columbus shopped around..

Other Kings turned him away before he pitched his idea to the spanish. .he wasnt spanish, he was italian. And the spanish king and queen hired him to find another trade route, sure, but also another place to send all those thousands of young upstart conquestadors..lest those guys set their sights on palaces closer to home.

Cortez a few decades later give or take was just one of these guys..
And his story is even more amazing when you realize what he did, while also being on the run..."-)
Damn

Columbus or not.

The white man was comming The second the truks breached those ancient and noble walls of constantinople...40 years before..

It was just a matter of time..
 
hoichi said:
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Columbus or not.

The white man was coming . . .

It was just a matter of time..
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That, I agree. If not Columbus it would eventually be someone else.
 
dogmom said:
WDYS! - that list- yeah, my state's not on it either....
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I just called a Federal Representative and asked why we're still celebrating Columbus Day and the woman said in childish voice "We always
celebrated Columbus Day !" I told her he was not a very nice that he used Native American as slaves and cut them up and she should look him up ! I tried calling my state Representative too and their voice message said the office was open to 5PM but to call back when they're open. HUH??? I called at 3PM . I guess they don't know how to tell time .
This is 2015 and people should know the truth about what kind of person
Columbus was by now.
 
Reba said:
That, I agree. If not Columbus it would eventually be someone else.
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That is not my point at all , it was the kind of man Columbus was . This would like be Jewish people being celebrating Hitler birthday . We should not being celebrating a person like Columbus .
 
whatdidyousay! said:
That is not my point at all , it was the kind of man Columbus was . This would like be Jewish people being celebrating Hitler birthday . We should not being celebrating a person like Columbus .
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I wasn't addressing your point. I was replying to hoichi's post.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I just called a Federal Representative and asked why we're still celebrating Columbus Day and the woman said in childish voice "We always
celebrated Columbus Day !" I told her he was not a very nice that he used Native American as slaves and cut them up and she should look him up ! I tried calling my state Representative too and their voice message said the office was open to 5PM but to call back when they're open. HUH??? I called at 3PM . I guess they don't know how to tell time .
This is 2015 and people should know the truth about what kind of person
Columbus was by now.
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The truth?
Columbus never set foot in what became the united states

Besides that. Slavery was not a uniquely white man phenomonon..

Natives used natives as slaves.

Native empires such as the aztec, which was the largest and most powerfull state in central and north america...(really there was only a few states this side ofbthe woeld then, and only two empires..the aztec and fuether south the inca.) at the time columbus saild, the aztec empire was based on conquest and slavery...(this slavery was the empires achelhes heel, cortez was able to exploit to bring about its conquest in turn)

Also
The founding fathers held slaves..


These are facts..
 
whatdidyousay! said:
That is not my point at all , it was the kind of man Columbus was . This would like be Jewish people being celebrating Hitler birthday . We should not being celebrating a person like Columbus .
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And how was columbus different thenany other white who csme?
And held slaves?

Like all those early yankee americans?

He didnt even set foot in america
Is it some neat trick or slight of hand, to blame columbus and not mention any actually americans who actually did conquer what is now the united states?
The last battles in the american indian wars occured in 1924...

Yeah
Columbus is an easy slight of hand..
How about
Rosselvet?
What kind of man was he?
 
hoichi said:
The truth?
Columbus never set foot in what became the united states

Besides that. Slavery was not a uniquely white man phenomonon..

Natives used natives as slaves.

Native empires such as the aztec, which was the largest and most powerfull state in central and north america...(really there was only a few states this side ofbthe woeld then, and only two empires..the aztec and fuether south the inca.) at the time columbus saild, the aztec empire was based on conquest and slavery...(this slavery was the empires achelhes heel, cortez was able to exploit to bring about its conquest in turn)

Also
The founding fathers held slaves..


These are facts..
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At the time almost all civilizations have held or were holding slaves... Slavery is not a unique phenomenon to any one race or culture...
 
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