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Jacob's Ride – Jacob

This kid had to quit playing sports because he couldn't hear. This is being posted on FB and this kind of message hurts many of us as it continues to spread the stereotyping of deaf people not being able to function without good hearing.

I am so sick of messages like these so I am commenting on his picture that is being shared on FB speaking out harmful messages like this.

I played sports all of my life without needing a CI. I am sure there are several of you here on AD who have played sports without needing to hear. I don't know what is wrong with his parents to give this kid the message that he is not complete without being able to hear.

Ugh...makes me sick.
 
It looks like advertising for a cochlear implant company.
 
That is what it looks like- as if there are no alternatives. There is nothing about any effort to teach sign or lipreading as his hearing deteriorated. Counting years, it was one year between HA's not helping and CI.

Jacob became increasingly frustrated, angry and withdrawn. He quit playing the team sports he loved, baseball and soccer.
It looks like he quit sports as part of the emotional reaction to his hearing loss. Again, no counseling or effort to address his emotional needs-- CI was their answer to everything. :dunno:
 
this article makes me puzzles that I did 4 sports for years with both hearing teams and deaf teams. god.
 
I was in track-and-field, and basketball. Didn't need to hear to do either. And I was a star on the track team. (Not so much basketball. That's just cuz I was too short. :lol: )
 
I was in track-and-field, and basketball. Didn't need to hear to do either. And I was a star on the track team. (Not so much basketball. That's just cuz I was too short. :lol: )

Too short??...I was on 1st team at NCSD and we won the Basketball Championship (first time for the girls)...at 5'3....I played both positions (forward/guard).......Pitcher for the girls softball team...as for Track...not so good....

Ahhhh...the good ol' school days!
 
Too short??...I was on 1st team at NCSD and we won the Basketball Championship (first time for the girls)...at 5'3....I played both positions (forward/guard).......Pitcher for the girls softball team...as for Track...not so good....

Ahhhh...the good ol' school days!

:) I was teasing at the end of my last post. (I'm actually 5'7".) I was just trying to interject some humor in an otherwise serious/sad subject. It's too bad that there is a stereotype out there that if you (general you) can't hear, you can't do stuff like sports. It's not right.
 
That is what it looks like- as if there are no alternatives. There is nothing about any effort to teach sign or lipreading as his hearing deteriorated. Counting years, it was one year between HA's not helping and CI.

It looks like he quit sports as part of the emotional reaction to his hearing loss. Again, no counseling or effort to address his emotional needs-- CI was their answer to everything. :dunno:

Right on!!!!!! The CI and AG BAD's perspective is "hearing world is the best!" ALL he needs is hearing health stuff....... Really sad....if he'd gotten ASL etc he prolly would have been all " deaf people can do anything except hear!"
Why is hearing so emphasized? Sure it's nice to have hearing, but we can still live rich full lives WITHOUT it!
 
:) I was teasing at the end of my last post. (I'm actually 5'7".) I was just trying to interject some humor in an otherwise serious/sad subject. It's too bad that there is a stereotype out there that if you (general you) can't hear, you can't do stuff like sports. It's not right.

As for Track...my Coach really gave me a hard time...pitting me against a girl that was about 6 ft. tall...for the 1 mile run...:giggle:...legs like "Olive Oyl"...she left me in the dust after about 200 yards....

Feel most hearing parents "coddle" their deaf children....most times, overly protective......I too, was somewhat worried about my son playing football, but he is hearing....but I went to every game.
 
I played sports, you don't have to hear if you know the rules and have your team to back you.
 

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My impression about the sports from the article was that he quit; not that anyone else required him to.

There is no mention either way about other supports (such as ASL) so we don't know if he was not offered any or if this is incomplete reporting as this seems to be more a PR piece rather than straight news.
 
I read the article and it seems like there's all the implications in there about the value of hearing and being in "the audible world". Regardless of whether or not he was outright required to quit the teams or not - if the implied -implied-message is:

"you need to hear;
hearing is 'normal';
other people can do things you can't;
people who don't hear/hear well don't play sports" <cause children are never/rarely exposed to deaf kids playing sports>

or anything resembling the above, than most times the kid will get the message regardless if anyone directly tells them it or not

because ASL is treated as a second-class "last resort" most of the time, the odds are he was not exposed to it or was implicitly directed away from continuing to use it-

I agree with Shel and many others....
 
Hey, give prop to someone who is an Orioles fan. CI or not, it's hard to find Orioles fan. Then again, I'm Cubs fan!!!
 
My impression about the sports from the article was that he quit; not that anyone else required him to.

There is no mention either way about other supports (such as ASL) so we don't know if he was not offered any or if this is incomplete reporting as this seems to be more a PR piece rather than straight news.

"Within a year, Jacob had to quit playing baseball because he couldn't hear his coach."

Yea, it is the message that is being sent to the public that deaf people cant play sports unless we can hear well.


I don't like those kinds of messages.
 
my newspaper would say "Jacob quitted because his coach was mean and discriminative."
 
"Within a year, Jacob had to quit playing baseball because he couldn't hear his coach."

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Baseball is a sport where hearing the coach is completely unnecessary, more than most sports, IMO. You see the ball, you hit the ball. You throw the ball, you catch the ball. The baserunning, pitching, and batting are all coached by various hand and body signs. I don't recall any vocal coaching. How can they expect someone 300 feet away to hear them?
 
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Baseball is a sport where hearing the coach is completely unnecessary, more than most sports, IMO. You see the ball, you hit the ball. You throw the ball, you catch the ball. The baserunning, pitching, and batting are all coached by various hand and body signs. I don't recall any vocal coaching. How can they expect someone 300 feet away to hear them?

That's right....and just luff to watch those baseball coaches with their hand/body signals...and that chewing tobacco....(don't see that too much anymore tho')......Even football captains and coaches use hand signals especially when the crowd is too loud to hear anything....

And at high school, my coach was deaf....even at Track...the Coaches run around the track to signal to their runners/jumpers...

But again, I can see a HOH or deafie having some problems in a class where the coach is just talking...the kid would need an intrepretor for that...
 
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Baseball is a sport where hearing the coach is completely unnecessary, more than most sports, IMO. You see the ball, you hit the ball. You throw the ball, you catch the ball. The baserunning, pitching, and batting are all coached by various hand and body signs. I don't recall any vocal coaching. How can they expect someone 300 feet away to hear them?


This is what I was thinking, too. They use hand and body signals, you see it all the time in baseball games. I don't see how you would need to hear a coach during a game.

Wondering, in basketball, wouldn't it be difficult and even dangerous to be a deaf player? I mean, I play volleyball and I don't think I could play if I wasn't able to hear my team mates shouting strategy at me while we're playing.
 
This is what I was thinking, too. They use hand and body signals, you see it all the time in baseball games. I don't see how you would need to hear a coach during a game.

Wondering, in basketball, wouldn't it be difficult and even dangerous to be a deaf player? I mean, I play volleyball and I don't think I could play if I wasn't able to hear my team mates shouting strategy at me while we're playing.

No sport is dangerous for deaf athletes.
 
I would love to share what my thoughts about Deaf, Hearing and in between people. I can understand why his reaction been like that.

I tried to talk with some people who are "in between" trying to understand what WE (Deafies, not deafies) were missing from? I am not saying who is right and who is wrong. Really, no body is right, nobody is wrong period.

I can see why hearing people made so much deal with hearing issues than anything else. It was not their intention to be like that. However, Deafies were very upset that Hearing people were ignorant. I can understand why they felt that way and like I said in the beginning that no one is right, no one is wrong.

What I just said were based on my life experience and what I have been though. I have seen almost ALL "walks of life" and I see the root of the problem. It is just a sense itself that is the problem.

I have observed born blind people,
I have observed how specific animals pick and used one of these senses.
I have worked in Relay industry and have met thousands of faces for more than 5 years. This helped me understand whats the problem between H and D
I have heard a story of born Blind who finally had eye implant and were able to see again and over-reacted and wanted to go back to blind again, his response to why really hits my understand of whats between Hearing and Deaf people were, and it is just sense itself.
I have met and chatted with a person with specific disability that I find difficult to understand his/her disability, that got my thoughts in the same way how Hearing people are trying to understand Deafness. (I wish I can share what is this specific disability but, because there are very limited number of people having that specific disability and I don't want anyone to figure out who... Privacy is respected)

To make it short, Hearing people were born and learn how to use sounds first as I believed and picked it up and use it much more than any other senses, resulting they find verbal to be the best method of communication and map their own environment than visual. We the Deafies don't have that opportunity so we will NEVER know what it is. We, the Deafies born Deaf and learn using our sense, feel of our environment which develops our understand of what we see and feel and respond accordingly.

Just like dogs, when they born, first 2 weeks can they really see anything? We all know FOR sure, no, they were blind to begin with. They use their nose, sniffing sniffing to learn their environment and to locate the food. They use nose more than anything else, the result? Rest of their life, they sniffing all the times, like in rear to identify other dogs, We don't do that, thank God!

I believe that the sounds were very similiar as visual like various color, brightness, contrast and whatever the sounds is like. We, the Deafies "sees" is like maybe only three different "Images" as a sounds and can not see any more than that. How can Deafies be able to understand arrays of the sounds where they don't see much? Even after years of training, how can that help? This is the reason why Hearing people NEEDS to adapt with our (Deafies) losses, but the problem is Majority of Hearing people don't understand the issues we are having.

Again, it is all about sense really.

I would love to chat with people, preferred 100% CODA with excellent understand of Hearing people and the world of sounds. I tried to find right CODA to chat with and try to learn about Hearing and try to get the idea of the world of the sounds. If your one of them can start off though PM and maybe Videoconferencing.

Enuff talk, but that is what have been on my mind in the last 5 years. Again remind that there is no "Right or wrong" in this case, and it is only about sense. So, I don't want to offend anyone nor drama. Drama over this post is not going to be tolerated, thanks.
 
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