What is "cued speech"?

jillio said:
It is not an excellent tool for communication. It is a tool for education. The attempt to extrapolate that into a communication tool is the source of the problem.

The Deaf community is not afraid of CS. They are simply keeping it in its proper place...something the hearing fail to do.
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You very succinctly put into words what I spent several paragraphs trying to say. Well done :P Wish I had your skills! LOL
 
Lily7 said:
You very succinctly put into words what I spent several paragraphs trying to say. Well done :P Wish I had your skills! LOL
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You are doing a wonderful job of expressing your thoughts and conclusions. Keep it up!
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry but I have to ask. It's been bothering me just as much as a mole bothered Austin Powers.

Why are you having trouble with "it's" and "its"?
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That can be chalked up to "spell check" and me not paying close attention.

I didn't realize it was proper forum etiquette to correct or criticize other posters spelling and grammar. Does this mean I was under the wrong impression and that I too, can correct your spelling and grammar when I notice your errors?
 
Lily7 said:
What the other people said, but what made me say that was how SO many parents talk constantly about how their child "keeps up with their hearing peers", can go to pizza parties with hearing kids with no problem, has "full access" to the hearing world, etc. etc. etc. They are completely dismissing sign language and deaf peers as an option in addition to using CS and interaction with hearing peers. They have obviously come to use CS as the MAIN form of communication and a way to fit into the hearing world more, NOT just a tool for teaching literacy. They want their deaf child to be as much like a hearing child as possible.

In other words, instead of using CS as another learning tool, they are using it to try to shove their square shaped child into a round shaped hole, rather than accepting that square shaped hole is just as viable for their child as a round one. That is what is being demonized about CS, and rightly so. Parents should never cut their deaf children off from the option of sign language and deaf
peers, and no matter what they choose to use to help their children access the
world that should always be one of the options. Always.
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Thank you for elaborating on your comment. I largely agree with you...
 
Now, now. Let's not turn this into a petty all about me argument. The topic is cued speech.
 
deafbajagal said:
I promote ASL, obviously. But I'm also realistic in the fact that we do a crappy job of supporting parents who are trying to learn ASL, which is a foreign language to them. They have to pay for classes (if they can afford it!), go to classes (miss work, find childcare, etc.), and try to absorb this language...while their child is picking it up much faster than they are. I can see how frustrating it can be.

But I see the true benefits of ASL...and it breaks my heart when I realize we are failing our parents in that regard.

So Cue speech gets a vote for me. Make the language VISIBLE. I rather have that, than pure aural-verbal therapy.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Parents are not given enough exposure and support in terms of Deaf role models, ASL support, and communication options.

I remember when my son was born we got a packet and video about, "Listening and Speaking". Needless to say, I never opened that packet up. Parents need to be given more information about options, rather than AGB automatically being snuck in the mix. I have no problem with that information being provided, but it should be provided with other information as well.
 
I just don't understand cued speech and hand shape too similar. It looks like cued speech slow people speech down in that video link. Looks like hard work to me.
 
Speedy Hawk said:
I just don't understand cued speech and hand shape too similar. It looks like cued speech slow people speech down in that video link. Looks like hard work to me.
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It is hard work. And the only reason to even consider using it in a communication setting is if you are attempting to keep a child in an audtitory/oral environment.
 
I think my biggest question: why we put so much work try teach deaf people talk instead teach hearing people sign?
 
jillio said:
It is hard work. And the only reason to even consider using it in a communication setting is if you are attempting to keep a child in an audtitory/oral environment.
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Lots of video, leaflets, website, info saying cued speech easy to learn and use. When I see cued speech in video looks like hard work. It nothing like what info saying. Maybe it is easy to learn (hard for me to learn cos cued speech go through my head!) but it defo not easy to use in conversation.

They make it look better than it really is.
 
sunny_signs said:
I think my biggest question: why we put so much work try teach deaf people talk instead teach hearing people sign?
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Yeah, I had this thought. If Dr. Cornett thinks that the deaf people need to lipread and talk better via cued speech in order to improve their reading skills, what about HEARING people with sub-par reading skills? Do they need cued speech??? I know they would say - no no they need more work, not cued speech. We know that cued speech is not the answer. ASL is the answer.
 
CSign said:
That can be chalked up to "spell check" and me not paying close attention.

I didn't realize it was proper forum etiquette to correct or criticize other posters spelling and grammar. Does this mean I was under the wrong impression and that I too, can correct your spelling and grammar when I notice your errors?
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but you've been doing this in nearly every single post which means you've been doing it for a very long time. I'm just puzzled to why is it difficult to discern the difference between "it's" and "its" unconsciously.

You're a hearing person. And you were so concerned about ensuring your deaf son's literacy skill and yet... you still cannot discern the difference between those 2 different words.
 
Jiro said:
but you've been doing this in nearly every single post which means you've been doing it for a very long time. I'm just puzzled to why is it difficult to discern the difference between "it's" and "its" unconsciously.

You're a hearing person. And you were so concerned about ensuring your deaf son's literacy skill and yet... you still cannot discern the difference between those 2 different words.
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:hmm:
 
sunny_signs said:
I think my biggest question: why we put so much work try teach deaf people talk instead teach hearing people sign?
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Buffalo said:
Yeah, I had this thought. If Dr. Cornett thinks that the deaf people need to lipread and talk better via cued speech in order to improve their reading skills, what about HEARING people with sub-par reading skills? Do they need cued speech??? I know they would say - no no they need more work, not cued speech. We know that cued speech is not the answer. ASL is the answer.
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Yeah, true, Sign Language helps deaf people more than it does for being able to speak and oral better, but I think it has to do with a bigger problem. It may be more about 'unifying' Americans the simpler way possible.

Look at America's society, they want green card and VISA immigrants and citizens to at least learn to speak the english language if they intend to stay here. American's aren't interested in learning Vietnamese or Spanish to accommodate the new language, they want people to speak their language.

When you have a sign language, it has no real 'bridge' to the spoken english used by Americans, as it is just another language that exist and doesn't help them unless they learn it. So, the concept may have been seen as to patch up something between hearing and deaf so at least the people who have no knowledge of the language can at least understand some of it.

It's sorta like SimCom, if you use SimCom to teach ASL to a group of hearing students, it seems to be a lot easier than it is to go total voice off and teach them ASL. They would have a hard time adapting.
 
CSign said:
That can be chalked up to "spell check" and me not paying close attention.

I didn't realize it was proper forum etiquette to correct or criticize other posters spelling and grammar. Does this mean I was under the wrong impression and that I too, can correct your spelling and grammar when I notice your errors?
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Ehh, just take it easy and take it like a champ. The forum here is a lot like a place for nitpickers and pot shots, so you gotta keep up with it or slide out the back door. We get nitpicked all the time in other topics too, same for me. :P

I used to have a problem with contractions in grammar too when I was younger. Its and It's were no exception. There's an easier way to know what format to use.

Think of it's, the ['s] as substitute words: it['s] - it [is, has, was]. If what you're saying doesn't fit with one of the words after the [ ], then that's where its is used. Hope that helps. :D
 
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Buffalo said:
sunny_signs said:
I think my biggest question: why we put so much work try teach deaf people talk instead teach hearing people sign?
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Yeah, I had this thought. If Dr. Cornett thinks that the deaf people need to lipread and talk better via cued speech in order to improve their reading skills, what about HEARING people with sub-par reading skills? Do they need cued speech??? I know they would say - no no they need more work, not cued speech. We know that cued speech is not the answer. ASL is the answer.
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how is learning one language that is completely different in grammar, syntax and mode "the answer" for learning to read and write another language?

and so the answer for hearing kids who are struggling to learn to read and write english is....greek!

seriously, i support asl for deaf kids, but it isn't a cure-all for literacy issues. They still need a working knowledge of english to learn to read and write, and that is where things get sticky.
 
faire_jour said:
seriously, i support asl for deaf kids, but it isn't a cure-all for literacy issues. They still need a working knowledge of english to learn to read and write, and that is where things get sticky.
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what method do you believe is effective to a working knowledge of English to deaf kids? List few if you like.
 
faire_jour said:
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how is learning one language that is completely different in grammar, syntax and mode "the answer" for learning to read and write another language?

and so the answer for hearing kids who are struggling to learn to read and write english is....greek!

seriously, i support asl for deaf kids, but it isn't a cure-all for literacy issues. They still need a working knowledge of english to learn to read and write, and that is where things get sticky.
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Spanish-Speaking Children in American Schools: The Story of an Educational Crime. this link says that spanish-speaking kids should be in spanish speaking classes along with a intensive English course until they get to the point where they can take math and science in English. Also it says that the kids should continue throughout the school years as bilingual kids.

How do you know that ASL is not a cure-all for literacy issues? What if the teacher is really signing in PSE or even SEE and tells you that he uses ASL??? I don't like it when they use PSE/SEE then announce that ASL is not helping the deaf kids with their English.
 
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