What happens if the Supreme Court strikes down 'Obamacare'?

[rolling7]

did you see "where and what was the question?" part? I'm puzzled why this question hasn't been answered in order for me to answer so-called question.

instead... I've been given bunch of snarky rude remarks which makes it impossible for me to answer so-called question.

It has already been made known to you as the two questions in post #147.
Now post your answers or give the post # where you already have.

 

[Jiro]

It has already been made known to you as the two questions in post #147.
Now post your answers or give the post # where you already have.

excuse me but are you Grayma?

 

[kokonut]

So it would seem. Disappointing, but not really surprising.

I wonder why the refusal to answer?

Don't worry, we saw you asked the questions first. Best to walk away.

 

[Foxrac]

it isn't a matter of constitution. just regulations.

Ok, I'm wonder about rolling7 will be very upset because you are teaching me in wrong way.

 

[Jiro]

Don't worry, we saw you asked the questions first. Best to walk away.

oh don't worry - I've already answered the question several times in several threads (search for my posts with this keyword - "social responsibility"). You will find dozens.

I find this behavior toward me quite interesting. I sense some fear and avoidance in answering my simple question - "Should we abolish social welfare program?"

 

[Jiro]

interesting

Are the GOP Justices Political Hacks? | Consortiumnews

Exclusive: The “Obamacare” debate will test whether the U.S. Supreme Court’s five Republican justices are political hacks. After all, a right-wing think tank devised the individual mandate, which was embraced by GOP front-runner Mitt Romney, but it’s now anathema because it was passed by a Democratic president, Robert Parry writes.


By Robert Parry

Does anyone doubt that if a Republican president had enacted the Affordable Care Act – with its individual mandate devised by the right-wing Heritage Foundation and with Mitt Romney denouncing “free riders” not paying their share of health care costs – the U.S. Supreme Court’s Republican majority would be lining up to declare it constitutional?

Indeed, if the Heritage Foundation, which did dream up the individual mandate, were submitting supportive friend-of-the-court briefs – instead of denouncing its own idea – and if Romney were still deriding those “free riders” who palm off the costs for their emergency health care on others, the odds would be that the Court would vote overwhelmingly for the constitutionality of the health reform law.

 

[Jiro]

History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Health Care Reform / "Obamacare" - ProCon.org

The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.

In 2008, then presidential candidate Barack Obama was opposed to the individual mandate. He stated the following in a Feb. 28, 2008 interview on the Ellen DeGeneres show about his divergent views with Hillary Clinton:

"Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care. She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it. So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn’t."

By 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), sometimes referred to as "Obamacare,” had passed in both the House and the Senate with no Republican votes. On Mar. 23, 2010 President Obama signed the act containing an individual mandate into law. On Jan. 5, 2011, Republicans in the US House of Representatives introduced The Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act (HR 2) to repeal the PPACA. One of their main arguments for repeal was that the health insurance mandate was unconstitutional.

 

[rolling7]

oh don't worry - I've already answered the question several times in several threads (search for my posts with this keyword - "social responsibility"). You will find dozens.

I find this behavior toward me quite interesting. I sense some fear and avoidance in answering my simple question - "Should we abolish social welfare program?"

Nope, no fear and no avoidance here because you did not ask a question.
Don't dare point to post #137 because that is a statement not a question.
Post #147 asks two very clear questions, even with question marks at the end.

BTW: my statement, "all GOVERNMENT social programs should be abolished", stands.

 

[Jiro]

Nope, no fear and no avoidance here because you did not ask a question.
Don't dare point to post #137 because that is a statement not a question.
Post #147 asks two very clear questions, even with question marks at the end.

perhaps either you should learn the finer art of complex conversation where a statement can actually pose as a rhetoric statement/question or I should simply add a question mark in there.

BTW: my statement, "all GOVERNMENT social programs should be abolished", stands.

FYI - I wasn't asking you a question and I'm not interested in your answer.

 

[rolling7]

That is ok, just ignore my statement. But there are several members who have posted their desire to read your answer to the two questions. Of course, you are free not to.

 

[Jiro]

That is ok, just ignore my statement.

would it be possible if you can cease this trolling and harassment?

But there are several members who have posted their desire to read your answer to the two questions.

who? I see only two members including you.

Of course, you are free not to.

again...

oh don't worry - I've already answered the question several times in several threads (search for my posts with this keyword - "social responsibility"). You will find dozens.

I find this behavior toward me quite interesting. I sense some fear and avoidance in answering my simple question - "Should we abolish social welfare program?"

It only takes 5 seconds of your time to find my posts but you are also free to not verify my claim that I have already answered this similar question dozens of times.

 

[rolling7]

would it be possible if you can cease this trolling and harassment?


who? I see only two members including you.


again...

It only takes 5 seconds of your time to find my posts but you are also free to not verify my claim that I have already answered this similar question dozens of times.

You forgot kokonut.

social responsibility does NOT equal social welfare

Social responsibility does NOT equal the Constitution

 

[Jiro]

You forgot kokonut.

social responsibility does NOT equal social welfare

Social responsibility does NOT equal the Constitution

Feel free to agree to disagree.

 

[Kalista]

ah..... so that means medicare, medicaid, food stamp, SSI, SSDI, etc. should be abolished?

There are too many fraud out there include HUD and Section 8.

 

[airportcop]

If the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare our country will possibly not go bankrupt. We will possibly be not violating the Constitution. Lives will possibly be saved. It will be a good thing mostly.

I'm not saying that medical insurance, hospital & doctors practices should not be reformed. But the government running things and telling us what to do is wrong and would be an utter failure. Reform our government and then fix healthcare!

 

[Foxrac]

If the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare our country will possibly not go bankrupt. We will possibly be not violating the Constitution. Lives will possibly be saved. It will be a good thing mostly.

I'm not saying that medical insurance, hospital & doctors practices should not be reformed. But the government running things and telling us what to do is wrong and would be an utter failure. Reform our government and then fix healthcare!

I disagree, without health care reform, we will be in deeply shit because skyrocketing of medical cost and uninsured will growing into much bigger.

I support government regulation on health care.

 

[Cowpuppy]

You forgot kokonut.

social responsibility does NOT equal social welfare

Social responsibility does NOT equal the Constitution

uhm... you said several 'people'.
you and a nut job don't make several. or plural 'people'
a person and a nut job equals one person. you.

 

[airportcop]

I disagree, without health care reform, we will be in deeply shit because skyrocketing of medical cost and uninsured will growing into much bigger.

I support government regulation on health care.

Foxrac,

The biggest problem is that our government can't even successfully run it's self. How in the world are they supposed to fix healthcare? Please don't blame this on the Republicans because both parties are at fault along with the president.

 

[Foxrac]

Foxrac,

The biggest problem is that our government can't even successfully run it's self. How in the world are they supposed to fix healthcare? Please don't blame this on the Republicans because both parties are at fault along with the president.

For me, there is not much problem with government, exception for two parties system and our government are supposed to run by multi-parties like some European countries. The health care cost has bubbled so fast in USA and we doesn't have enough regulation to keep healthcare cost so lower. There are plenty of countries that have stronger regulation or government-run health cares but for us - Medicare and Medicaid, however it is more expensive than in UK and Canada. The health care reform aka ACA is better than nothing and you have to accept if you don't like this law, even you have option to move out of USA if you are not happy with our government. Obama is elected president by electoral college and popular vote, you have to accept as well or move out if you don't want.

Of course, I do blame on GOP because they are hardly to fix the health care during GOP majority in 2003-2007 as the cost of health insurance start drive up so fast. I'm applauded that democrats have done with health care reform but I feel it is not very complete because I want single payer insurance. I support SOCIALIST based health care and time for you to figure out that why I disagreed with many of your post.

Let agree to disagree.

 

[airportcop]

Two things:

#1: We are also free to reform or overthrow our government if they get out of control. They are already there! Voting them out is the preferred way but if things don't change I can see an uprising of the people coming.

#2: How are we supposed to pay for something that is going to cost one trillion dollars a year? And if the masses don't want it then why should we be forced to get it?