What does it mean to be human?

To be human is to desire to be someone, an entity that exists to relate with someone, that seeks for belonging and to experience what life is like.

Implemetation of CI proves someone's desire to be more human, to be able to hear.

Any replacement in body, whether it be equal to human's ability to respond, or to experience supernatural, expresses one's desire to experience beyond horizon of existence is human.

Data in Star Trek conveys the machine's desire to be human. Interesting isn't it huh? And the movie "AI" broke my heart into two, shattered like an ornament.
 
LinuxGold said:
To be human is to desire to be someone, an entity that exists to relate with someone, that seeks for belonging and to experience what life is like.

Implemetation of CI proves someone's desire to be more human, to be able to hear.

Any replacement in body, whether it be equal to human's ability to respond, or to experience supernatural, expresses one's desire to experience beyond horizon of existence is human.
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That means robots & cyborgs can be called 'humans' and recieve the human rights & benefits if they think and feel that they are humans?

And does it mean that I can still call myself a human if I ask scientist to recreate me into a new being with animal dna like... let's say, werewolf or cat-man. Am I still call myself a human when I did that? If so, will I be able to recieve the human rights & benefits like humans do?

About your comment: Implemetation of CI proves someone's desire to be more human, to be able to hear.


That is interesting, one of my friends said same thing but others countered back at her with this comment: "To accept your limits or rather, lack of means that you are human or more than just a human. If you cannot accept your limits then you are lower than animal."

With that, I leave it up to you to ponder about :)
 
LinuxGold, before you assume that I imply anything.. Yes I must admit that I am anti-CI person but I respect their choices to have the CI so they can 'hear'. I have nothing against people who want to have CI.

I hope I make clear on that issue since I know that CI is very, very sensitive issue for deafies around here.
 
Magatsu said:
That means robots & cyborgs can be called 'humans' and recieve the human rights & benefits if they think and feel that they are humans?

And does it mean that I can still call myself a human if I ask scientist to recreate me into a new being with animal dna like... let's say, werewolf or cat-man. Am I still call myself a human when I did that? If so, will I be able to recieve the human rights & benefits like humans do?

About your comment: Implemetation of CI proves someone's desire to be more human, to be able to hear.


That is interesting, one of my friends said same thing but others countered back at her with this comment: "To accept your limits or rather, lack of means that you are human or more than just a human. If you cannot accept your limits then you are lower than animal."

With that, I leave it up to you to ponder about :)
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Our bodies are machines. A mass of gloo containing a flesh bag that holds massive volume of muscles adhered to the cylinderical bones, networked by nets of nervous systems, controlled by a gray mass of gloo sewn to a soul that controls it, with a power of freewill gift, is the true definition of human. Maybe somewhere in air, earth, fire or water there's an entity that have no motor control like us, with freewill gifts like us, but were able to find it by using those machines that we create, clearly indicates the similiarities between humans and the undefined entity, something, somehow expressed their desire to exist and to relate, expressed the same desire to be an common entity that shares the same experience or sensation, a medium that everyone understands to the most complicated level using only one word, which is "human". They might NEVER be a human, but shares EXACT same properties that humans have, thus qualifying them as an equal to "human".

And about CI, to err is human. :)
 
Magatsu said:
LinuxGold, before you assume that I imply anything.. Yes I must admit that I am anti-CI person but I respect their choices to have the CI so they can 'hear'. I have nothing against people who want to have CI.

I hope I make clear on that issue since I know that CI is very, very sensitive issue for deafies around here.
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Deep inside my soulish bosom, I'm against CI. CI changes one's lifestyle phenomenonially whether they be good or bad. It's like gambling one's life away, whether that individual wins or not. It is entirely up to individual's desire to have CI or not, but they will expect their life to be changed like a timesand, and to experience different cultures which is known as 'cultural shock' in psychological sense. Psychologically will change their true personality into something entirely different, like a DNA that finally changed into different form, unrecogniable by its owner.
 
That is interesting, one of my friends said same thing but others countered back at her with this comment: "To accept your limits or rather, lack of means that you are human or more than just a human. If you cannot accept your limits then you are lower than animal."

Lower than animal -- I never seen any animal trying to pick up a pen, trying to communicate with us, being different than their own class. Hmm.....
 
LinuxGold said:
Our bodies are machines. A mass of gloo containing a flesh bag that holds massive volume of muscles adhered to the cylinderical bones, networked by nets of nervous systems, controlled by a gray mass of gloo sewn to a soul that controls it, with a power of freewill gift, is the true definition of human. Maybe somewhere in air, earth, fire or water there's an entity that have no motor control like us, with freewill gifts like us, but were able to find it by using those machines that we create, clearly indicates the similiarities between humans and the undefined entity, something, somehow expressed their desire to exist and to relate, expressed the same desire to be an common entity that shares the same experience or sensation, a medium that everyone understands to the most complicated level using only one word, which is "human". They might NEVER be a human, but shares EXACT same properties that humans have, thus qualifying them as an equal to "human".

And about CI, to err is human. :)
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Hahaha. Awesome description.

LinuxGold said:
Deep inside my soulish bosom, I'm against CI. CI changes one's lifestyle phenomenonially whether they be good or bad. It's like gambling one's life away, whether that individual wins or not. It is entirely up to individual's desire to have CI or not, but they will expect their life to be changed like a timesand, and to experience different cultures which is known as 'cultural shock' in psychological sense. Psychologically will change their true personality into something entirely different, like a DNA that finally changed into different form, unrecogniable by its owner.
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That is true. Anything that is not natural will be a gamble on your life, I mean no one know what kind of result will come out of these.
 
LinuxGold said:
That is interesting, one of my friends said same thing but others countered back at her with this comment: "To accept your limits or rather, lack of means that you are human or more than just a human. If you cannot accept your limits then you are lower than animal."

Lower than animal -- I never seen any animal trying to pick up a pen, trying to communicate with us, being different than their own class. Hmm.....
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Well, that's his way of interpretation on that part, I guess. From his point of view, I can see what he means. After all, humans are only creatures that is capable of lie, to kill with evil intentions, to torture anyone with evil intentions, greedy, wars, to be vain by use God's name that they are holy people, dirty politics, etc etc...

So which is lower, really? That is debatable for some people. That's why I disagree with Steel about his comment that humans are smartest living beings on earth.

However I can see my friend's point, if you cannot accept your limits then what are you? But lower than animal? No, I don't think so... in logical sense, we are already lower than animals :) In other sense, yes you are right that we are only one who is able to pick up a pen and communicate with people but that's our limited knowledge. From what I understand by reading few articles state that dolphins can communicate with other dolphin. But again, who knows?
 
LinuxGold, one thing about me... I love to be a devil's advocate on any issues. You may pick up some odd comments by me time to time. For some reason, I like to make people think about what I said or what they said.

So sorry for my devil's advocate comments ;)
 
magatsu,

ever watched "Bicentennial Man" with Robin William? He went thru series of "evolution" to experience humanity before he "die" see this trailer: http://images.hollywood.com/images/quicktime/bicentennialman.mov (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/)

What about A.I.: Artificial Intelligence : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/ and http://aimovie.warnerbros.com/html/trailer.html for trailer


we all became human thanks to evolution (never mind about creationism which I don't invest in...) and we are still human no matter what we do with our body. It is how we function makes us human. "To err is human" "I think therefore I am" and so forth..

Let's look up "human" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human :D
 
Magatsu said:
LinuxGold, one thing about me... I love to be a devil's advocate on any issues. You may pick up some odd comments by me time to time. For some reason, I like to make people think about what I said or what they said.

So sorry for my devil's advocate comments ;)
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I, too, am a devil's advocate at times. Brings up hidden perspectives from something that we refuse to explore. :)
 
Boult said:
magatsu,

ever watched "Bicentennial Man" with Robin William? He went thru series of "evolution" to experience humanity before he "die" see this trailer: http://images.hollywood.com/images/quicktime/bicentennialman.mov (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/)

What about A.I.: Artificial Intelligence : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/ and http://aimovie.warnerbros.com/html/trailer.html for trailer


we all became human thanks to evolution (never mind about creationism which I don't invest in...) and we are still human no matter what we do with our body. It is how we function makes us human. "To err is human" "I think therefore I am" and so forth..

Let's look up "human" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human :D
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Humanity is something that, in my opinion, God created to be someone that have power to make choices. Unlike machines that we create, like for instance, VCR, DVD, computer and like, are created to follow a set or sets of instructions, nothing more. Computers might act a lot more and more like humanity, but with so many arrays of instructions, psychologically designed to respond like a human. Imagine how huge database it would be, to contain the simple mechanism found in our brain. It would be zillions. Again about these movies, it might "seem" to come, could it be deceitful, created by someone with intelligence with intent to deceive people into believing that it has the desire to become human? "Humanity desire" might be a powerful tool to convert norms into thinking that machines actually have that desire, thus turning the equal control over to machines? Eventually, everything might seem to fulfil "Terminator" movie as a true prophecy? It's frightening to know how powerful it is to be simply a human, and one's desire to be a human. I just now had chill, simply from thinking about it!
 
Magatsu said:
Well, that's his way of interpretation on that part, I guess. From his point of view, I can see what he means. After all, humans are only creatures that is capable of lie, to kill with evil intentions, to torture anyone with evil intentions, greedy, wars, to be vain by use God's name that they are holy people, dirty politics, etc etc...

So which is lower, really? That is debatable for some people. That's why I disagree with Steel about his comment that humans are smartest living beings on earth.

However I can see my friend's point, if you cannot accept your limits then what are you? But lower than animal? No, I don't think so... in logical sense, we are already lower than animals :) In other sense, yes you are right that we are only one who is able to pick up a pen and communicate with people but that's our limited knowledge. From what I understand by reading few articles state that dolphins can communicate with other dolphin. But again, who knows?
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"Lower than animal" is an conflict in one's prideful opinion. It's like back in high school days where bully got their way at most of times. "If you don't fight, you're lower than animal" as a way to control someone. I'm sure someone are trying to undermine one's desire by insulting them and to have them avoid achieving their desires. We're at mental war, constantly finding a way to win something, or to make one's seem better than others. In my opinion, to be deaf has a reason. Maybe tasteful way to shape world the way it is?

Anyway about animals themselves, EVERY existance has its own ability to do something that others doesn't. Humans' unique talent is the sophicated way of how we operate things.
 
We, the human being, are fraigle and depend on air to breath, water to drink and bath in it, the sun to keep us warm, plants to support us and the land for us to live on. All we do is eat, poop, drink, pee, work and sleep 24 hours a day till our bodies quit then we go back into the ground and become dust. Unless someone want to play with our bones 100 years from now. Who knows when they find a skull with CI implants in it, they will saying "oh this bones came from a man with hearing impaired."
 
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We, the human being, are fraigle and depend on air to breath, water to drink and bath in it, the sun to keep us warm, plants to support us and the land for us to live on. All we do is eat, poop, drink, pee, work and sleep 24 hours a day till our bodies quit then we go back into the ground and become dust. Unless someone want to play with our bones 100 years from now. Who knows when they find a skull with CI implants in it, they will saying "oh this bones came from a man with hearing impaired."
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"And dang, look at that old technology CI, would be worth millions at antique show!"
 
LinuxGold said:
"Lower than animal" is an conflict in one's prideful opinion. It's like back in high school days where bully got their way at most of times. "If you don't fight, you're lower than animal" as a way to control someone. I'm sure someone are trying to undermine one's desire by insulting them and to have them avoid achieving their desires. We're at mental war, constantly finding a way to win something, or to make one's seem better than others. In my opinion, to be deaf has a reason. Maybe tasteful way to shape world the way it is?
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I completely agree with you. To be a deaf has a reason, always do. I have few comments about that but it will lead to CI-debate in this topic which I rather not.

LinuxGold said:
Anyway about animals themselves, EVERY existance has its own ability to do something that others doesn't. Humans' unique talent is the sophicated way of how we operate things.
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You nail it very good. But one thing I still wonder about... some people dare to suggest that humanity needs to cease its existence right now because humans have been done nothing but destruction, wars, deaths, pollutions, etc etc.. Some people start to question about our purpose and our reason to be exist on this earth. They even dare to imply that animals and nature gets along fine without us. Yes, not all people are bad but seem that 'bad' people tend to get away with it while 'good' people can't.

You brought a good point about Humans' unique talent is the sophicated way of how we operate things. but I have to play as devil's advocate on that one, what kind of 'operate things' we are speaking of? ;)
 
LinuxGold said:
"And dang, look at that old technology CI, would be worth millions at antique show!"
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Or future people will say when they find these people with CI, "Oh! These people must be alien abductees that my great-grandmother talked about!"
 
Magatsu said:
Or future people will say when they find these people with CI, "Oh! These people must be alien abductees that my great-grandmother talked about!"
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Hehe, probably! Or even worse, "Oh those under animals back in old days!"
 
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