What do you think of this?

tuatara - no problem, let me know what you see in the videos:wave:
 
whatdidyousay! said:
A yellow ribbon would been totally useless with the idiotic mother , she needed a brain.
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Oh no:shock:

Makes me think of a saying a friend of mine uses. And wishes she didn't need to use so often:

"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."
 
Better than a yellow flag would be socializing and training your dog to be okay with human behavior.

I work with any dog from the moment it comes home. It pays off. The vet is always glad to work with my dogs, and I avoid any potential lawsuit.
 
tuatara said:
Blows my mind that people need this, but I'm sure they do. If I see someone with a dog and I want to pet it, first I pay attention and see if the person and the dog seem friendly/receptive. If they do, I ask the person if it's ok. If they say yes, then I put my hand where the dog can sniff it and get a sense of me first, and I can see how he/she reacts to me. That people think it's ok to just start petting a dog they don't know sounds really frustrating. But in general, it seems that alot of people don't have a good sense of boundary, so I guess this is no exception.

At the same time, if a person has gone through life never learning any manners, I'd think there's a good chance they've also never heard about the idea of "yellow ribbon on dog" = "don't pet me". And I agree with Reba: it can only work if people understand the meaning. (She's smart about these sorts of things because she was an interpreter;))

Anyway, there's still alot I don't know. Dogmom, you mentioned behaviors that are rude to a dog. (Eye contact, direct approach, pat on the head.) Can you describe (in detail) what a good approach looks like? Where do you cast your eyes if you're not making eye contact? What does an indirect approach look like? If you do make physical contact with a dog, which parts of the dog's body are ok? Where do you start?
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That is totally insane. The owner can't speak for their dog . Finlay was a very friendly dog on the whole but there some people he would not let near me. That is an old wife tale letting the dog sniff your hand. I found out the very hard and painful way. I was a dog was 'friendly' and he bite my fingers!
There a lot of people rescuing dogs from other states and there is no history on the dogs. If the dog is a rescue dog and the new owner just got the dog
they have no business saying their dog is 'friendly' . And if you follow that old wife tale and put your hand out you could end up with no fingers.
That dog could had been slapped around the head and see you as theat.
 
dogmom said:
tuatara - no problem, let me know what you see in the videos:wave:
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What I see - haha - mainly that you weren't kidding about fast and subtle!

I've seen dogs interact plenty of times (not nearly as much as you've seen I'm sure) but never caught on to there being so much meaning going on. I'm sure the problem is my watching with too human a brain (perceptions and expectations or lack thereof)

Some things were really surprising. Like peeing as a calming behavior. I only associate it with marking territory and voiding a bladder. Or yawning, sniffing the ground (sniffing the ground makes a sort of postural sense now that I think about it, but I'm sure my sense of that is oversimplified.)

Lots to learn. I'm not sure how competent I could get at reading alot of it, but it seems worthwhile to look at - most of us have some interactions with dogs, even if we don't have dogs of our own.

Thanks again!:wave:
 
dogmom said:
Reba, I do see what you're saying there in terms of the legal, with the ribbon. Our realtor had told a similar thing in regard to dogs and posted property signs.

I my experience as a dog trainer and personal experience with reactive dogs - the yellow ribbon/bandanna thing means not to pet or ask to pet the dog and to give some space, not crowd the dog or handler - but you don't have to cross the street.
Can't tell you in math since units of measurement mean nothing to me.

I've been around this kind of thing for some years so am used to it but I know it's newer to many.
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I walk with a cane and during the winter I am extra careful and try to keep away from other people and their dogs. I had backed away from people hoping they'll get the message ,to stay away . You won't believe how many people still let their dog get closer to Marty and me. I will have to tell the person to stay away , how dumb can people be? If I saw someone walking with a cane on snow and ice with a dog , I will keep my dog far away so that person can pass me safely. If using a cane does keep people and their dogs away , I do not see not a yellow ribbon will.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The owner can't speak for their dog
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That's not what I meant. I mean that there are two individuals involved. The dog and the person at the other end of the leash. Before approaching a dog, I feel that I need permission from both. The person I can ask verbally if it's ok *with them*. The dog I can only try to get a sense from his/her response to me.

This is not to argue with your other points about what the best way is to approach a dog, if one decides to try.
 
tuatara said:
That's not what I meant. I mean that there are two individuals involved. The dog and the person at the other end of the leash. Before approaching a dog, I feel that I need permission from both. The person I can ask verbally if it's ok *with them*. The dog I can only try to get a sense from his/her response to me.

This is not to argue with your other points about what the best way is to approach a dog, if one decides to try.
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You really can't know how a strange dog will act you. It could be friendly at first but if a person made the dog feel threaten unknowingly the dog could bite . I feel with so many people getting recuse dogs you really needs to extra careful in finding out the dog history before trying to get near it.
 
yellow should be neon yellow with the letters on it in "alert". :lol: I think it would work. eh??????
 
:lol:Frisky and WDYS!

I've seen "Beware of Owner" signs on the front doors of people who I know live with dogs.
 
dogmom said:
:lol:Frisky and WDYS!

I've seen "Beware of Owner" signs on the front doors of people who I know live with dogs.
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Some people do stay away from at the park , they'll walk the other way when they see me. Most people use those expanding leashes and their dogs are way ahead of them and I do not want my dog getting cut by the leash. They can cut a finger of and I got cut on my knees when a dog was on an expanding leash and the owner let their dog get too close to me. I was glad Finlay did not get hurt too.
 
It could just be a "fad" to avoid a lawsuit if someone's dog bit a stranger. Like a pitbull - breeds don't matter, remember?

"Didn't you see the yellow ribbon?' or, "My dog was CLEARLY labelled as an aggressive dog and this person ignored that label" etc. etc.

So .... I am now thinking about getting a pet leopard. I can put a yellow ribbon on its leash, and walk it around in a park. And ... no one can tell me not to, since it has a clear label that it is an aggressive animal. Breeds don't matter, its just a big kitty.
 
My 2 cents...I always watch the tail and the ears...and the stanz of the dog. My own doggie is pretty friendly but will bite (mostly nip)...and yeah, I warn people all the time that she "might bite you"...as they want to pet her.

I've always had small dogs since I'm afraid of the "big" ones. And I pick up my doggie whenever a bigger dog approaches and turn my back.
 
Steinhauer said:
It could just be a "fad" to avoid a lawsuit if someone's dog bit a stranger. Like a pitbull - breeds don't matter, remember?

"Didn't you see the yellow ribbon?' or, "My dog was CLEARLY labelled as an aggressive dog and this person ignored that label" etc. etc.

So .... I am now thinking about getting a pet leopard. I can put a yellow ribbon on its leash, and walk it around in a park. And ... no one can tell me not to, since it has a clear label that it is an aggressive animal. Breeds don't matter, its just a big kitty.
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This is why I put sand on the steps , so if someone does fall , I can say the steps where cleaned off and treated with sand. No one else in my building seem to care about being sued . The problem with the yellow ribbon not a lot of people are aware of what it mean on a dog leash or collar . It could be for a number of reasons.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
This is why I put sand on the steps , so if someone does fall , I can say the steps where cleaned off and treated with sand. No one else in my building seem to care about being sued .
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It might be a good idea to take a photo with a time stamp for proof.

The problem with the yellow ribbon not a lot of people are aware of what it mean on a dog leash or collar . It could be for a number of reasons.
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That would be my concern. Not everyone would recognize the meaning of the ribbon. Also, there are probably plenty of dogs out there without warning ribbons that should have them.

I would assume all unknown dogs should be approached with caution and respect.
 
I would never have known about this yellow ribbon thing if I hadn't happened to click on this thread when looking for something to read on this fourm as I finished lunch.

The linked site and this thread seem to assume that dogs are being walked by their owner. That is not always the case.

I picked up a fear of dogs from by father and then lived in a neighborhood where you never knew if you were going to encounter a loose dog or not. Although illegal, in that area of the town I live in it is still that way and unfortunately close to the church where I have been a member since I was a child. Thankfully very close to where I bought almost 25 years ago was not and is not that way. But . . . there are some that do let theirs loose a couple of blocks away or so.
 
Reba said:
It might be a good idea to take a photo with a time stamp for proof.


That would be my concern. Not everyone would recognize the meaning of the ribbon. Also, there are probably plenty of dogs out there without warning ribbons that should have them.

I would assume all unknown dogs should be approached with caution and respect.
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I still do not have a camera and I do not have a cell phone. I was out walking Marty today on the boardwalk and there was another other woman walking her hound dog on an expanding leash and the dog was way ahead of the woman so I moved out of the way and waited for the woman to and dog to pass. I never seen the dog or woman before , and woman started to let her dog get close to Marty and me and I shook my head as if to say "NO" and the woman looked hurt. The hound wanted to see my dog and I was not going to let a strange near my dog again after Marty attacked by a strange dog already . The hound dog owner felt hurt because I would not let her dog near my dog. Good grief! That woman needs to grow up , she saw me backing away from her you would think that would be a clue I do not want our dog to meet. I could of had a flashing yellow ribbon on Marty and that still would not had kept that woman back.
 
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