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*sigh* I have no further comment.
 
deafPhD said:
Oh, so if a victim isn't breathing but the heart is pumping, I'm supposed to do chest compressions anyway?
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that would usually mean his airway has collapsed or his airway is obstructed... CPR would be useless since you cannot blow air thru his mouth. You may have to perform tracheotomy
 
deafPhD said:
Oh, so if a victim isn't breathing but the heart is pumping, I'm supposed to do chest compressions anyway?
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Still do CPR...because if they arent breathing, no oxgyen is being taken in which is vital for keeping red blood cells alive.
 
Jiro said:
that would usually mean his airway has collapsed or his airway is obstructed... CPR would be useless since you cannot blow air thru his mouth. You may have to perform tracheotomy
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That's incorrect; breathing is conscious effort. If knocked out hard enough or hit in the right place in the head, breathing will cease. Usually car accident victims whose forehead has slammed into the windshield in front of them have died from lack of oxygen due to inability to breathe.
 
rockdrummer said:
I heard about some new CPR where you only do chest compressions. No mouth to mouth.
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I heard about that a while ago. It's getting more confusing! I think it depends on the scenario. :dunno:

Why don't we ask Jake who is certified with this thing.
 
deafPhD said:
That's incorrect; breathing is conscious effort. If knocked out hard enough or hit in the right place in the head, breathing will cease. Usually car accident victims whose forehead has slammed into the windshield in front of them have died from lack of oxygen due to inability to breathe.
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breathing while sleeping is a conscious effort?
 
shel90 said:
Still do CPR...because if they arent breathing, no oxgyen is being taken in which is vital for keeping red blood cells alive.
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Mouth-to-mouth would take care of this problem, easy. However, you're right; several agencies have done away with checking for pulses. I just never agreed with it and have argued against it many times.
 
Not answering any questions from Jiro. :aw:
 
deafPhD said:
Mouth-to-mouth would take care of this problem, easy. However, you're right; several agencies have done away with checking for pulses. I just never agreed with it and have argued against it many times.
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what if his airway has collapsed? or has an obstruction blocking his airway?
 
rockdrummer - you should ask Jake about mouth-to-mouth confusion
 
deafPhD said:
Mouth-to-mouth would take care of this problem, easy. However, you're right; several agencies have done away with checking for pulses. I just never agreed with it and have argued against it many times.
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I just became certified in CPR as of 5 years ago and still take refreshers each year. All I just want to be able to save someone's life if needed.
 
Jiro said:
I heard about that a while ago. It's getting more confusing! I think it depends on the scenario. :dunno:

Why don't we ask Jake who is certified with this thing.
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don't need to ask Jake. This new method is already proven to be better than the traditional method. Oxygen will stay in the blood for up to 10 minutes after someone passes out. All you need to do is call 911 and immediately start continuous chest compressions. No need to count compressions or breath for the person.
 
rockdrummer said:
don't need to ask Jake. This new method is already proven to be better than the traditional method. Oxygen will stay in the blood for up to 10 minutes after someone passes out. All you need to do is call 911 and immediately start continuous chest compressions. No need to count compressions or breath for the person.
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is that what the certification says?
 
deafPhD said:
That's incorrect; breathing is conscious effort. If knocked out hard enough or hit in the right place in the head, breathing will cease. Usually car accident victims whose forehead has slammed into the windshield in front of them have died from lack of oxygen due to inability to breathe.
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Breathing isn't conscious... Otherwise we would have drunk people dying left and right.

if they're not breathing, usually it means something wrong with the lungs or airways... Or the medulla oblongata is damaged.
 
Jiro said:
what if his airway has collapsed? or has an obstruction blocking his airway?
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In that case, the first responder is supposed to do a "sweep" or, like you said, a tracheotomy.
 
deafPhD - what do you have PhD in?
 
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