Washington Post article about a young man with a ci

john57 said:
acording to the article eighth paragraph it states "Leekoff, who said he is fluent in sign language, said that when he was growing up, he was occasionally treated unkindly by other deaf people who resented his cochlear implant."
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My bad. I wonder...is it ASL?
 
deafdyke said:
Exactly! The unspoken attitude of pro oral only experts is that oral skills somehow 100% compensate, so that kids don't need 'terps and notetakers.
rick, um sorry, but this isn't a CI sucess vs. shel and jillo bemoaning the underacheivement of implantees.
I'm not surprised that there are kids who do very very well academicly. That said, it is not nessarily due to the implant. Rather it could be due to socioeconomic factors. Like, if they are from a family/suburb that places a high value on acheivement such as going to a "name brand" college, or that really places a premium on "enrichment activities, chances are they are going to follow the fold. However, NOT ALL kids have those advantages. There are STILL plenty of kids who are just dogpaddling around in the mainstream (ie doing OK, but not doing wicked good) as well as the type of kids that jillo and Shel see. You simply see a seletive population. If you saw the CI population as a whole, I think you'd understand better. It's exactly like how a public school in a high achieving suburb can turn out tons of kids who go to Harvard, Princeton and other highly selective schools. However, the public system also includes schools where graduating from eighth grade is a HUGE accomplishment, or where kids have classes in janitor closets.
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Thanks for clarifying about the kids that I see...I see both successful and those who struggle..doesnt matter if they have a CI or not. It is about having empathy for all deaf kids not just a selective group.
 
rick48 said:
Cloggy,


Many, many are and more to follow, espeically next year, one very near and dear to me! The ci kids are now graduating college much to the dismay of the jillios and shels of the world who cannot stand to hear good news about an implanted child. But they are not anti-ci are they?

Rick
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Deaf students with and without CIs graduate from college every day. I am happy to see each and every one of them continue with education post secondary. I attend the graduation ceremonies of my students...both with and without CIs. Why is it that you cannot accept the achievements of any deaf person except those that have been implanted?
 
rick48 said:
Yes, you "congrtulated" him, a back-handed compliment just so you could add an irrelevent reference to non-implanted deaf kids. Obviously you never read the article as you were unaware that the young man was fluent in sign. If you fear parents getting incomplete information then you should never talk to parents about cochlear implants.
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It wasn't backhanded at all. Why is it that you have such a problem with congratulating any deaf person who achieves the same? Why is it, from your perspective, the only achievements that are noteworthy are those of implanted individuals? Why is it that an implanted student's graduation is more noteworthy than a non-implanted student's?
 
jillio said:
It wasn't backhanded at all. Why is it that you have such a problem with congratulating any deaf person who achieves the same? Why is it, from your perspective, the only achievements that are noteworthy are those of implanted individuals? Why is it that an implanted student's graduation is more noteworthy than a non-implanted student's?
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Hey, I managed to graduate from ASU without implants! WOW!!! LOL!

That's because he is anti-ASL and anti-Deaf.
 
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deafdyke said:
Exactly! The unspoken attitude of pro oral only experts is that oral skills somehow 100% compensate, so that kids don't need 'terps and notetakers.
rick, um sorry, but this isn't a CI sucess vs. shel and jillo bemoaning the underacheivement of implantees.
I'm not surprised that there are kids who do very very well academicly. That said, it is not nessarily due to the implant. Rather it could be due to socioeconomic factors. Like, if they are from a family/suburb that places a high value on acheivement such as going to a "name brand" college, or that really places a premium on "enrichment activities, chances are they are going to follow the fold. However, NOT ALL kids have those advantages. There are STILL plenty of kids who are just dogpaddling around in the mainstream (ie doing OK, but not doing wicked good) as well as the type of kids that jillo and Shel see. You simply see a seletive population. If you saw the CI population as a whole, I think you'd understand better. It's exactly like how a public school in a high achieving suburb can turn out tons of kids who go to Harvard, Princeton and other highly selective schools. However, the public system also includes schools where graduating from eighth grade is a HUGE accomplishment, or where kids have classes in janitor closets.
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It is not a matter of anyone being threatened by the success of a CI implanted student. It would appear to be more about those who are threatened by the ones who aren't able to survive in a completely oral environment.
 
jillio said:
Oops http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/49680-hearies-only-2.html#post959998! Here's another one!

Next to last post. A deaf person who is graduating with her bachelor degree and going on to get her masters! My, my.
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:bowlol:


In all honesty, I am happy for anyone who achieves their degree whether deaf, hearing, hoh, blind, paralyzed, and ill. Achieving ones goal in today's time is not easy with this economy the way it is. Congrats to all who has achived their goals!!
 
shel90 said:
:bowlol:


In all honesty, I am happy for anyone who achieves their degree whether deaf, hearing, hoh, blind, paralyzed, and ill. Achieving ones goal in today's time is not easy with this economy the way it is. Congrats to all who has achived their goals!!
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I second that!
 
shel90 said:
In all honesty, I am happy for anyone who achieves their degree whether deaf, hearing, hoh, blind, paralyzed, and ill. Achieving ones goal in today's time is not easy with this economy the way it is. Congrats to all who has achived their goals!!
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Yeah, seriously. I was implanted in 1990 (profoundly deaf in the other ear, no HA), excelled academically in mainstreaming, went to undergrad at Notre Dame, and am now in law school at Case Western. But you know what? I don't think the implant has too much to do with it - I wanted to do that stuff, so I did it.

That said, in some cases, a CI really does reduce the AMOUNT of work to be done in an educational setting. It doesn't 'make or break' a student - but it means that a person's work ethic can stretch further. I don't know if I could handle doing everything I do PLUS the issues faced by someone who only uses ASL. Possible? Sure. I have a ton of respect for those who do it. And let's not forget that going to college and especially grad school isn't a cakewalk even for those who are hearing... so, again, congratulations to the person are in order regardless!
 
TheWGP said:
Yeah, seriously. I was implanted in 1990 (profoundly deaf in the other ear, no HA), excelled academically in mainstreaming, went to undergrad at Notre Dame, and am now in law school at Case Western. But you know what? I don't think the implant has too much to do with it - I wanted to do that stuff, so I did it.

That said, in some cases, a CI really does reduce the AMOUNT of work to be done in an educational setting. It doesn't 'make or break' a student - but it means that a person's work ethic can stretch further. I don't know if I could handle doing everything I do PLUS the issues faced by someone who only uses ASL. Possible? Sure. I have a ton of respect for those who do it. And let's not forget that going to college and especially grad school isn't a cakewalk even for those who are hearing... so, again, congratulations to the person are in order regardless!
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Agreed. Well said.
 
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