Washington Post article about a young man with a ci

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Hopefully, I have done this right but it is an interesting article and congratulations to this young man about to graduate from one of the better liberal arts colleges in the nation.

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Rick
 
Congratulations to him and to all the non implanted deaf students who graduate from colleges with bachelor level degrees, masters level degrees and Ph.D's.
 
Congratulations to him and to all the non implanted deaf students who graduate from colleges with bachelor level degrees, masters level degrees and Ph.D's.


Like I always say, argue for argument's sake.
 
Like I always say, argue for argument's sake.

Well..it is true..many deaf people were able to graduate from various colleges without depending on implants. I am happy for this guy but what is the big hoopla? He is graduating from college cuz he has implants? Ohh ok..I guess in the hearing world, that is a big deal but in the Deaf world, he is just another deaf guy who is graduating from college just like thousands of deaf before him.

I guess u dont care cuz u are so fascinated by CIs and forgot that many of us managed to do all the "normal" stuff without CIs.
 
Like I always say, argue for argument's sake.

It wasn't an argument. It was a congratulations to all the deaf students who have achieved, as well as a reminder that the CI is not responsible for acheivement....the individual is.
 
It wasn't an argument. It was a congratulations to all the deaf students who have achieved, as well as a reminder that the CI is not responsible for acheivement....the individual is.

Nobody says the CI was responsible for the achievement of the young man, but I can speak from experience that a CI makes being in a learning environment much easier and more stress-free. The constant game of "playing catch up" wears you down, because you can either try to pay attention to your interpreter, but you miss what's being written down on the board (yes note-takers help, but unless you are able to write it down WHILE you are learning it, in some classes like mathematics, or other sciences, reading the notes after the fact are just as confusing as reading them without having listened to a lecture at all,) or you write down everything that the teacher is writing on the board, but you miss out on the explanations on how it works together....I was constantly stressing myself out because there was always *something* that was missing.

I know I know I know (because I know you're going to bring it up,) that there are many deaf students who don't have an issue with that, but I know just as many who do. Please don't try to turn this into yet another "deaf people can do it without the CI, so they don't need it anyway" argument. Heaven forbid anybody do anything to make a child's life easier.
 
Nobody says the CI was responsible for the achievement of the young man, but I can speak from experience that a CI makes being in a learning environment much easier and more stress-free. The constant game of "playing catch up" wears you down, because you can either try to pay attention to your interpreter, but you miss what's being written down on the board (yes note-takers help, but unless you are able to write it down WHILE you are learning it, in some classes like mathematics, or other sciences, reading the notes after the fact are just as confusing as reading them without having listened to a lecture at all,) or you write down everything that the teacher is writing on the board, but you miss out on the explanations on how it works together....I was constantly stressing myself out because there was always *something* that was missing.

I know I know I know (because I know you're going to bring it up,) that there are many deaf students who don't have an issue with that, but I know just as many who do. Please don't try to turn this into yet another "deaf people can do it without the CI, so they don't need it anyway" argument. Heaven forbid anybody do anything to make a child's life easier.

I will refer you back to the very title of the article. The title alone insinuates that his accomplishments would not have been possible without the implant. Likewise, the whole tone of the article implies the same.

The article was as much about the "miracles of implantation" as about this students accomplishments.

"Easier" is a very subjective term.

At the end of the article, as well, this student states that he wishes to become an ENT in order to provide parents of deaf children with hope. The implication there is that parents of deaf children have no hope without medical intervention.

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/50837-1st-deaf-person-passes-medical-doctor-exam.html
 
Neecy,

My concern about this article is the implications that deaf people without CIs are not capable of graduating from college unless they get a CI. For people who have never met deaf people or have any knowledge of ASL and the Deaf community, it can lead them into thinking that life will be better for deaf people if they get implants.

I am sorry but I am somoene without a CI and someone who has graduated from two different colleges just like numerous of deaf people so this article will do us injustice if it leads to thousands or even millions of readers into believing that deaf people need CIs to accomplish the same things.

I am happy for this guy, truly I am but I dont like the tone of the article by the reporter.
 
Rick,
Thanks for that story.
Hope many other children that grow up with CI will grow up like him..
We are fortunate to know some of them..
 
It wasn't an argument. It was a congratulations to all the deaf students who have achieved, as well as a reminder that the CI is not responsible for acheivement....the individual is.
I know Jillio.. It's terrible all these positive stories about people successful with CI... Takes away the focus on deaf people doing great without CI....
Glad you turned the focus straight back to really deaf people.

Then again...
you say "reminder that the CI is not responsible for achievement....the individual is"....
How many people did this student need next to him in order to do this.?
How many people does a totally deaf student need next to him...
... as I recall, you are in classes with a deaf student... (I don't recall if he has/hasn't got CI..) so in that sense .. it's more than just the individual..

Either way... with or without extra help / support .. a great accomplishment...

Actually....
as we are everytime talking about "deaf people can do anything that a hearing person can" .... why are we so surprised that someone graduates??
 
.....At the end of the article, as well, this student states that he wishes to become an ENT in order to provide parents of deaf children with hope. The implication there is that parents of deaf children have no hope without medical intervention......
I thought you would be happy with finally a ENT that knows his business..
Then again, an ENT that is deaf and can explain this stuff with signlanguage..... there's not to many of those I guess...
I that what you fear...?? CI correctly explained to profoundly deaf parents?
 
I know Jillio.. It's terrible all these positive stories about people successful with CI... Takes away the focus on deaf people doing great without CI....
Glad you turned the focus straight back to really deaf people.

Then again...
you say "reminder that the CI is not responsible for achievement....the individual is"....
How many people did this student need next to him in order to do this.?
How many people does a totally deaf student need next to him...
... as I recall, you are in classes with a deaf student... (I don't recall if he has/hasn't got CI..) so in that sense .. it's more than just the individual..

Either way... with or without extra help / support .. a great accomplishment...

Actually....


as we are everytime talking about "deaf people can do anything that a hearing person can" .... why are we so surprised that someone graduates??

You are confused. What makes you think this student had no support services?
And, no, I am not in class with a deaf student. If you are talking about the students I serve through the disability office, then there are some with CI and some without. Virtually all of my CI students also use terps and notetakers.

Yes, cloggy....why are we so surprised? Deaf students graduate every quarter, or every semester.
 
I thought you would be happy with finally a ENT that knows his business..
Then again, an ENT that is deaf and can explain this stuff with signlanguage..... there's not to many of those I guess...
I that what you fear...?? CI correctly explained to profoundly deaf parents?

Did you see where I congratualted him on his acheivements, or did you just conveniently overlook that as usual?

Where exactly did you see in this article that this young man uses sign, or has any knowledge of sign language?

Actually, cloggy, I don't fear parents getting correct information. What I fear is them getting incomplete information. There is a huge difference.
 
Did you see where I congratualted him on his acheivements, or did you just conveniently overlook that as usual?

Where exactly did you see in this article that this young man uses sign, or has any knowledge of sign language?
acording to the article eighth paragraph it states "Leekoff, who said he is fluent in sign language, said that when he was growing up, he was occasionally treated unkindly by other deaf people who resented his cochlear implant."
 
Nobody says the CI was responsible for the achievement of the young man, but I can speak from experience that a CI makes being in a learning environment much easier and more stress-free. The constant game of "playing catch up" wears you down, because you can either try to pay attention to your interpreter, but you miss what's being written down on the board (yes note-takers help, but unless you are able to write it down WHILE you are learning it, in some classes like mathematics, or other sciences, reading the notes after the fact are just as confusing as reading them without having listened to a lecture at all,) or you write down everything that the teacher is writing on the board, but you miss out on the explanations on how it works together....I was constantly stressing myself out because there was always *something* that was missing.

I know I know I know (because I know you're going to bring it up,) that there are many deaf students who don't have an issue with that, but I know just as many who do. Please don't try to turn this into yet another "deaf people can do it without the CI, so they don't need it anyway" argument. Heaven forbid anybody do anything to make a child's life easier.

Is this not another example that not all children thrive in the public school system, so just maybe the Deaf school still has a place in this world?? struggling to play catch up, sounds like one is being taught in a method that is not conducive to helping him achive his adademic potential. Just an observation... It is nice if the implant is successful Halelujia, but for those who are not good candidates for an implant, shouldn't they retain the right to attend a Deaf school where they can be taught in sign? Studies have shown that English is learned faster and better by children that already have ASL skills because it gives them a base from which to learn. :)
 
acording to the article eighth paragraph it states "Leekoff, who said he is fluent in sign language, said that when he was growing up, he was occasionally treated unkindly by other deaf people who resented his cochlear implant."

I know Mark, albeit not that well, and I can confirm that he signs but generally prefers spoken English.
 
Rick,
Thanks for that story.
Hope many other children that grow up with CI will grow up like him..
We are fortunate to know some of them..

Cloggy,


Many, many are and more to follow, espeically next year, one very near and dear to me! The ci kids are now graduating college much to the dismay of the jillios and shels of the world who cannot stand to hear good news about an implanted child. But they are not anti-ci are they?

Rick
 
Did you see where I congratualted him on his acheivements, or did you just conveniently overlook that as usual?

Where exactly did you see in this article that this young man uses sign, or has any knowledge of sign language?

Actually, cloggy, I don't fear parents getting correct information. What I fear is them getting incomplete information. There is a huge difference.


Yes, you "congrtulated" him, a back-handed compliment just so you could add an irrelevent reference to non-implanted deaf kids. Obviously you never read the article as you were unaware that the young man was fluent in sign. If you fear parents getting incomplete information then you should never talk to parents about cochlear implants.
 
What makes you think this student had no support services?
And, no, I am not in class with a deaf student. If you are talking about the students I serve through the disability office, then there are some with CI and some without. Virtually all of my CI students also use terps and notetakers
Exactly! The unspoken attitude of pro oral only experts is that oral skills somehow 100% compensate, so that kids don't need 'terps and notetakers.
rick, um sorry, but this isn't a CI sucess vs. shel and jillo bemoaning the underacheivement of implantees.
I'm not surprised that there are kids who do very very well academicly. That said, it is not nessarily due to the implant. Rather it could be due to socioeconomic factors. Like, if they are from a family/suburb that places a high value on acheivement such as going to a "name brand" college, or that really places a premium on "enrichment activities, chances are they are going to follow the fold. However, NOT ALL kids have those advantages. There are STILL plenty of kids who are just dogpaddling around in the mainstream (ie doing OK, but not doing wicked good) as well as the type of kids that jillo and Shel see. You simply see a seletive population. If you saw the CI population as a whole, I think you'd understand better. It's exactly like how a public school in a high achieving suburb can turn out tons of kids who go to Harvard, Princeton and other highly selective schools. However, the public system also includes schools where graduating from eighth grade is a HUGE accomplishment, or where kids have classes in janitor closets.
 
Cloggy,


Many, many are and more to follow, espeically next year, one very near and dear to me! The ci kids are now graduating college much to the dismay of the jillios and shels of the world who cannot stand to hear good news about an implanted child. But they are not anti-ci are they?

Rick

and u are not anti-ASL nor anti-Deaf arent u? :ugh3:
 
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