US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

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We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA
October 26, 2006

Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14,
2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us
permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
United States.

It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document"
that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually
unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you
want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the
agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the
request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United
States.

Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on
assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to
expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait!
You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA.
Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid
detention center, where you and others who are now effectively
"stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until
their immigration status is sorted out.

Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United
States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be
an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of
appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant,
without probable cause and without even any particular degree of
suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're
a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or
not you hold a U.S. passport.

The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional
right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the
right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The
United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of
travel." So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a
lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

Think this can't happen? Think again. It's ALREADY happening. Earlier
this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a
native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition
lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history
that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission.
If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to
this list.

Friends of Liberty - We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA


Is it goin' to happen ? I hope this article isn't comin' from Snopes. :o
 
It's real. I'd better write my Congressman. No way in heck will I be subjected to missing my trips because of an agency's lack of response.
 
It seems hoax to me.

If its real then fuck to USA because I have rights to leaving USA for some reason, such as bad system, political issues and government issues. I don't care about permission but we are freedom to leaving this country if we want. It wasn't end up like in China but USSR is died then citizens are allowed to leaving their country without permission.
 
I think this is a truly dumb idea. Our tourism business will suffer tremendously from this. Also, I am planning a trip to Mexico in January, wondering if I need a clearance now cos I don't wanna be stuck in Mexico. And also a trip to Spain in the summer. Ugh... US prides herself being the most free country in the world, my ass! USA is becoming a dicatorship state led by a monkey.
 
I just phoned the Department of Homeland Security and spoke with a very nice lady. She thinks that this article is a misunderstanding of the new rules set up in January. As of January 2007, all citizens travelling to Canada, Mexico, Carribeans and South America will be required to have passports and are recommended to have passports even if not required. There is no exit permits as far as she knew.
 
i looked for it in snopes.com but dont find the article .. i hope it is not true.. that would be scary requiring clearance to leave usa? damn.. sound like we all are gonna be prisoners.. shit..
 
*Snort* Sounds like hype to me. No way will this "fly" (pardon the pun) by impacting the entire country. The stink will be loud and clear on this one and let the backpeddling begin when the stuff hits the fan (assuming if this is true which I don't believe for one minute).
 
At the bottom of the linked story, it says that this is a proposed regulation. That means, it hasn't taken effect.

Also, I looked up the referenced link at the end of the story. It is:

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf

As you can see by the URL, it's not an "official" government website. It does refer to proposed regulations, and gives its interpretation of these proposals. The orginating organization is:

The Identity Project
<http://www.PapersPlease.org>
 
I just phoned the Department of Homeland Security and spoke with a very nice lady. She thinks that this article is a misunderstanding of the new rules set up in January. As of January 2007, all citizens travelling to Canada, Mexico, Carribeans and South America will be required to have passports and are recommended to have passports even if not required. There is no exit permits as far as she knew.

Oh, thanks. I am glad you checked with that lady to be sure that it doesn't happen. When I first read this article, I was like huh ... is this for real ? I wasn't sure if, it came from Snopes. Gee - it sure scared me enough to think that I can't travel outside of the US. I like to visit Canada once in a while if, I live in Alaska. Might consider to move back in the spring 2007 after I sell all my stuff around here.

Thanks so much for callin' that lady. :hug:
 
At the bottom of the linked story, it says that this is a proposed regulation. That means, it hasn't taken effect.

Also, I looked up the referenced link at the end of the story. It is:

http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf

As you can see by the URL, it's not an "official" government website. It does refer to proposed regulations, and gives its interpretation of these proposals. The orginating organization is:

The Identity Project
<http://www.PapersPlease.org>

Thanks for explainin'. I wasn't sure at first when I read this article. My mind was racin' .. tryin' to figure out if, this is for real or not.... askin' myself if, there is a possible for me to visit Canada again. Gee - soo many questions. LOL

But, thanks for helpin' out by double checkin'. Now, I am relief. :hug:
 
I love to travel myself. It was fun to go to different places where I love to explore, especially musuems/historics about their cultures and people.

I hate to see somethin' when it announces like this article, because it makes me feel " stuck " ya know ? Gee - I don't want to feel stuck. I want to be able to enjoy my life where ever I want to go. Would love to feel the experience of freedom.
 
This article reminds me of another article I read today that our gov't will start using the largest database to check out the truckers and on foot traffic crossing our borders. They say they're doing this to catch drug traffickers and terrorists. So this will be the next security measures or restrictions to keep americans trapped in USA--depending on your viewpoint.
 
This article reminds me of another article I read today that our gov't will start using the largest database to check out the truckers and on foot traffic crossing our borders. They say they're doing this to catch drug traffickers and terrorists. So this will be the next security measures or restrictions to keep americans trapped in USA--depending on your viewpoint.

Are you serious ? I never knew about our Gov't wil start usin' the largest database to check out the truckers and on foot traffic crossin' our borders. I never knew that. But, I've read in some books that there will be less freedom in the near future where we can't go this far like we used to before.

So, I am curious to ask for your viewpoint -- what's your viewpoint about next security measures or restrictions to keep Americans trapped in USA ?
 
why do you think they re talking about building that wall on the american border at canada and mexico? presumably it s to keep people out... :whistle:

I am askin' Sillycat for her viewpoint. Please, respect.
 
My viewpoint is that every time the gov't erodes our privacy and our rights as citizens such as Patriot 1 & 2, it can be a double-eded sword. The gov't passes those laws and uses it for a variety of purposes that the public may or may not know depending on what info. the gov't chooses to let the public know. Those laws can be used for the good of the nation such as security or can be used against the nation such as restricting its citizens' ability to leave/enter the country at will--Russia's laws for example.
 
My viewpoint is that every time the gov't erodes our privacy and our rights as citizens such as Patriot 1 & 2, it can be a double-eded sword. The gov't passes those laws and uses it for a variety of purposes that the public may or may not know depending on what info. the gov't chooses to let the public know. Those laws can be used for the good of the nation such as security or can be used against the nation such as restricting its citizens' ability to leave/enter the country at will--Russia's laws for example.

It makes sense. I just knew that people will lose their freedom by givin' away their rights for national security reasons, if they ask for " peace and safe ". You are correct about " Russia's laws " for example.

Thanks for sharin' your viewpoint. :)
 
I glad I don't have anyone in my family, friend outside the U.S. so I don't need to leave the U.S.A. I am U.S. citizen. I love to travel across the country. It doesn't affect for me! I don't need a passport right now.

BUT, I feel damn bad for them that
who want to visit leaving the U.S.A because their families/friends
who lives from other country for missing any their families members
such as cousins, aunts, uncle or grandparents, or etc; and their friends. :mad: I feel sorry for them. I heard
it before-- starting 2007, I have been heard from news or something originally from any place in the surf, I don't even remember where I heard from? :dunno:
Oh well for me because that doesn't affect to me.

If it is unconstitutional for this law, so President Bush will be pissed off, he will force to them for doing a job for making a time machine to their own time travel to back in 1775
change our %$#@ first amandment, and U.S.A. history that I don't like it if it get changed our history.
If it is impossible, he will big damn pissed off that is not my problem! :lol:
 
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I glad I don't have anyone in my family, friend outside the U.S. so I don't need to leave the U.S.A. I am U.S. citizen. I love to travel across the country. It doesn't affect for me! I don't need a passport right now.

BUT, I feel damn bad for them that
who want to visit leaving the U.S.A because their families/friends
who lives from other country for missing any their families members
such as cousins, aunts, uncle or grandparents, or etc; and their friends. :mad: I feel sorry for them. I heard
it before-- starting 2007, I have been heard from news or something originally from any place in the surf, I don't even remember where I heard from? :dunno:
Oh well for me because that doesn't affect to me.

If it is unconstitutional for this law, so President Bush will be pissed off, he will force to them for doing a job for making a time machine to their own time travel to back in 1775change our %$#@ first amandment, and U.S.A. history that I don't like it if it get changed our history.
If it is impossible, he will big damn pissed off that is not my problem! :lol:

Back to 1775 ? :lol: It would be nice to see this site ( AllDeaf ) back in 1775 and see what it looks like than today. It would be nice if, there's no planes in 1775, too. We would use horse carriages back then there will be no problem.
 
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