Two NYC cops shot and killed in car; shooter killed self

[mikemike]

people and patients have great defense lawyers who will do anything to keep them OFF the streets....beside the police will lock up violent suspects. Since the leftwing liberals deinstitutionalized mental hospitals the last 20 years without doing a cost analysis thing, it was a SNAFU thing.

What I can't understand why was the suspect not locked up he been arrested 19 times . He should not been allowed on the streets in the first place. His mom said he tried to commit suicide last year , he was a walking time bomb that never should been on the streets.

 

[mikemike]

no offense, man.

Mates,,If i offended anyone in my past post about this thread.I apologize.

 

[Foxrac]

people and patients have great defense lawyers who will do anything to keep them OFF the streets....beside the police will lock up violent suspects. Since the leftwing liberals deinstitutionalized mental hospitals the last 20 years without doing a cost analysis thing, it was a SNAFU thing.

Most mental illness are threaten to themselves so killing someone due to mental illness are less common.

Due to widespread of anti-psychotic and anti-depressant medicines so state mental hospitals are becoming unnecessary today and they are strictly reserved for serious criminal with severe mental illness that are not safe to place in prison or jail.

Mental institution is form of socialist so as conservative libertarian, I rather to close ALL state mental hospitals to save money so I believe that private hospitals should take care of mental illness.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

people and patients have great defense lawyers who will do anything to keep them OFF the streets....beside the police will lock up violent suspects. Since the leftwing liberals deinstitutionalized mental hospitals the last 20 years without doing a cost analysis thing, it was a SNAFU thing.

HUH? "people and patients have great defense lawyers who will do anything to keep them OFF the streets"

 

[The Joker]

Do you think Mayor De Blasio should resign?

Bill Oreilly think so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwr4qGkvBss

 

[Foxrac]

I remember the gun control debate going on in NY and several Police Union heads spoke out against the restrictions being imposed on gun owners.

I believe that unions, including police are naturally anti-gun and NYPD could refuse to comply the gun control laws, but they didn't.

Nuke all unions, also I believe that police officers in southern states are union free.

 

[Steinhauer]

I believe that unions, including police are naturally anti-gun and NYPD could refuse to comply the gun control laws, but they didn't.

Nuke all unions, also I believe that police officers in southern states are union free.

I am not sure how they do things in New York, or Northern States for that matter, in regards to unions - but ... the point I was attempting to make in the post you initially responded to was that since New York already has strict laws governing private gun ownership, that the Police were about the only legal option people in New York can use for self defense. (since their options for self defense using a weapon of any kind is strictly regulated).

The other point I was making was that all of this anti-cop rhetoric, in the wake of such strict gun ownership laws being passed in NYC, is going to be a real mess for the private citizen when they need help from the Police. Right now, you have paranoid Police Officers second guessing whether they should help someone or if they are being baited into an attack (due to all the anti-cop rhetoric).

 

[Jiro]

I believe that unions, including police are naturally anti-gun and NYPD could refuse to comply the gun control laws, but they didn't.

Nuke all unions, also I believe that police officers in southern states are union free.

correct. NYC police unions were one of the most crucial backers for anti-gun initiatives aka Mayors Against Illegal Guns and some. NYC Corrective Officers - the 2nd largest union in USA was one of them.

 

[Jiro]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._officers_in_brooklyn_police_departments.html

Police departments shouldn’t feel under siege. The public just wants better policing.

On Saturday, Ismaaiyl Brinsley shot a former girlfriend in Baltimore. Hours later, in Brooklyn, New York, he ambushed and killed two police officers in their car and then killed himself. New York Mayor Bill de Blasio described the murders as “execution-style.” Police don’t have a motive for the shootings, but Brinsley had a long criminal record—he was arrested for robbery charges in Ohio in 2009 and served two years in prison for felony gun possession in Georgia—and had made anti-police messages on Instagram the day of the shooting.

These deaths come at a terrible time for New York City. Between the killing of Eric Garner in Staten Island and the shooting of Akai Gurley in Brooklyn, many residents are wary of the police. And their protests against police brutality have fueled a counter-movement from cops and their supporters, who see criticism as hostile and “anti-police,” and who have scorned officials who sympathize with the protesters. “Police officers feel like they are being thrown under the bus,” said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, after de Blasio spoke about Garner in the context of his son, who is black. “Is my child safe, and not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods,” said de Blasio, “but safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors? That’s the reality.”

All of this was in the air during the New York City mayor’s Saturday evening press conference with Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, where he tried to ease tensions, despite a dramatic action from police at the event, who turned their backs when de Blasio spoke. The mayor called the killings a “particularly despicable act” that “tears at the very foundation of our society.” He called it an “attack on all of us.” “Our city is in mourning, our hearts are heavy,” he said. “We lost two good men who devoted their lives to protecting all of us.”

But for several politicians and police organizations, this call of solidarity wasn’t enough. “Our society stands safer because of the sacrifices officers make every day, but the hatred that has grown over the past few weeks in this country has gone unchecked by many elected leaders,” said the head of the New Jersey Policemen’s Benevolent Association in a statement on Facebook. “The blood of 2 executed police officers is on the hands of Mayor de Blasio,” tweeted the New York Sergeants Benevolent Association. Likewise, on Twitter, former New York Gov. George Pataki said he was “sickened by these barbaric acts, which sadly are a predictable outcome of divisive anti-cop rhetoric of #ericholder & #mayordeblasio.”

Lynch was even more inflammatory. “There is blood on many hands, from those that incited violence under the guise of protest to try to tear down what police officers do every day,” he said, addressing police outside the hospital where the slain officers were taken. “That blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor.” In Baltimore, one lodge president in the Fraternal Order of Police gave a more expansive statement, blaming national officials for the violence. “Politicians and community leaders from President Obama, to Attorney General Holder, New York Mayor de Blasio, and Al Sharpton have, as the result of their lack of proper guidance, created the atmosphere of unnecessary hostility and peril that police officers now find added to the ordinary danger of their profession.”

And all of these sentiments were echoed by former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani. “We’ve had four months of propaganda starting with the president that everybody should hate the police,” said Giuliani during an appearance on Fox News on Sunday. “The protests are being embraced, the protests are being encouraged. The protests, even the ones that don’t lead to violence, a lot of them lead to violence, all of them lead to a conclusion. The police are bad, the police are racist. That is completely wrong.”

But these complaints aren’t true. Police officers aren’t under siege from hostile elected officials. At no point, for example, has de Blasio attacked the New York City Police Department. Instead, he’s called for improved policing, including better community relations and new training for “de-escalation” techniques. “Fundamental questions are being asked, and rightfully so,” he said at the beginning of the month, after the grand jury decision in the death of Eric Garner. “The way we go about policing has to change.”

 

[Bebonang]

What does that got to with voting to see how many of us want Mayor DeBlasio resign from his mayor duties?

He is trying to make peace between Liberals and Conservatives when it come with policing and the violence with guns going around. There should have never have guns allowed to carry free in public. I don't know why police officers had to do that to many innocent people who have guns whether it was real or fake guns. I agree that most or some of the police officers were paranoid and just want to kill right away instead of talk down to "unknown suspect" just because of the 911 callers to the police station or police officers. Most leaders like the Mayor DeBlasio are not perfect and they are trying to find a way to calm down both the police and the citizens. There has been a lot of mistrust on the police officers especially in NYC and Ferguson. There are other police officers who were not doing a very good job at talking down to people who need help and need to be ask questions before jumping into conclusions.

I don't think it is wise to put up the votes just to see who are with him or against him. This is wrong. No one is perfect and you are hurting us on this votes.

 

[Jiro]

I say no even though I'm not a big fan of Mayor de Blasio.

nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. Mayor de Blasio has a vision for "One City". He recognizes that there is a huge racial divides in NYC and he wants to bring them together. that's why he won the election with a landslide victory. the keys to his victory were his biracial marriage and biracial kids. All details are here in my thread - http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=121761

He has never made any anti-cop rhetorics. that is a misinformation and disinformation generated by his opponents. and plus... everybody is angry. naturally - people want to finger-point and blame somebody for unspeakable tragedy and Mayor de Blasio just happened to be the guy to get the blame.

If you believe Mayor de Blasio should resign... then you're supporting a jackboot society. Everybody has right to freedom of speech and protest. The previous mayors - Giuliani and Bloomberg have repeatedly blocked people's right to free speech. Need a reminder? Both Mayor Giuliani and Bloomberg used police to arrest and block protesters off city hall area, wall street, RNC convention, etc as well as denied their rights to protest. Supreme Court has later ruled that both mayors' actions were unconstitutional and illegal.

Mayor de Blasio simply respected protesters' constitutional rights to free speech and protest - no matter how distasteful it is as long as it's nonviolent and peaceful. because of that - he's being blamed for anti-cop rhetorics and officers' deaths.

 

[Foxrac]

Bill O'Reilly, Giuliani and Bloomberg are pure RINO - more of authoritarian, less personal liberties.

 

[Jiro]

Off duty, black cops in New York feel threatened by fellow police officers

Retired NYPD detective Harold Thomas poses with his retired NYPD identification card in West Hempstead, New York December 17, 2014. Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.

The protests and the ambush of the uniformed officers pose a major challenge for New York Mayor Bill De Blasio. The mayor must try to ease damaged relations with a police force that feels he hasn’t fully supported them, while at the same time bridging a chasm with communities who say the police unfairly target them.

What’s emerging now is that, within the thin blue line of the NYPD, there is another divide – between black and white officers.

Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.

The officers said this included being pulled over for no reason, having their heads slammed against their cars, getting guns brandished in their faces, being thrown into prison vans and experiencing stop and frisks while shopping. The majority of the officers said they had been pulled over multiple times while driving. Five had had guns pulled on them.

Desmond Blaize, who retired two years ago as a sergeant in the 41st Precinct in the Bronx, said he once got stopped while taking a jog through Brooklyn’s upmarket Prospect Park. “I had my ID on me so it didn’t escalate,” said Blaize, who has sued the department alleging he was racially harassed on the job. “But what’s suspicious about a jogger? In jogging clothes?”

The NYPD and the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the police officers’ union, declined requests for comment. However, defenders of the NYPD credit its policing methods with transforming New York from the former murder capital of the world into the safest big city in the United States.

“It makes good headlines to say this is occurring, but I don’t think you can validate it until you look into the circumstances they were stopped in,” said Bernard Parks, the former chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, who is African American.

“Now if you want to get into the essence of why certain groups are stopped more than others, then you only need to go to the crime reports and see which ethnic groups are listed more as suspects. That’s the crime data the officers are living with.”

Blacks made up 73 percent of the shooting perpetrators in New York in 2011 and were 23 percent of the population.

A number of academics believe those statistics are potentially skewed because police over-focus on black communities, while ignoring crime in other areas. They also note that being stopped as a suspect does not automatically equate to criminality. Nearly 90 percent of blacks stopped by the NYPD, for example, are found not to be engaged in any crime.

The black officers interviewed said they had been racially profiled by white officers exclusively, and about one third said they made some form of complaint to a supervisor.

All but one said their supervisors either dismissed the complaints or retaliated against them by denying them overtime, choice assignments, or promotions. The remaining officers who made no complaints said they refrained from doing so either because they feared retribution or because they saw racial profiling as part of the system.

In declining to comment to Reuters, the NYPD did not respond to a specific request for data showing the racial breakdown of officers who made complaints and how such cases were handled.

White officers were not the only ones accused of wrongdoing. Civilian complaints against police officers are in direct proportion to their demographic makeup on the force, according to the NYPD’s Civilian Complaint Review Board.

Indeed, some of the officers Reuters interviewed acknowledged that they themselves had been defendants in lawsuits, with allegations ranging from making a false arrest to use of excessive force. Such claims against police are not uncommon in New York, say veterans.

STUDIES FIND INHERENT BIAS

Still, social psychologists from Stanford and Yale universities and John Jay College of Criminal Justice have conducted research – including the 2004 study “Seeing Black: Race, Crime and Visual Processing” – showing there is an implicit racial bias in the American psyche that correlates black maleness with crime.

John Jay professor Delores Jones-Brown cited a 2010 New York State Task Force report on police-on-police shootings – the first such inquiry of its kind – that found that in the previous 15 years, officers of color had suffered the highest fatalities in encounters with police officers who mistook them for criminals.

There’s evidence that aggressive policing in the NYPD is intensifying, according to data from the New York City Comptroller.

Police misconduct claims – including lawsuits against police for using the kind of excessive force that killed Garner – have risen 214 percent since 2000, while the amount the city paid out has risen 75 percent in the same period, to $64.4 million in fiscal year 2012, the last year for which data is available.

People who have taken part in the marches against Garner’s death – and that of Ferguson teenager Michael Brown – say they are protesting against the indignity of being stopped by police for little or no reason as much as for the deaths themselves.

“There’s no real outlet to report the abuse,” said Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, a former NYPD captain who said he was stigmatized and retaliated against throughout his 22-year career for speaking out against racial profiling and police brutality.

Officers make complaints to the NYPD’s investigative arm, the Internal Affairs Bureau, only to later have their identities leaked, said Adams.

One of the better-known cases of alleged racial profiling of a black policeman concerns Harold Thomas, a decorated detective who retired this year after 30 years of service, including in New York’s elite Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Shortly before 1 a.m. one night in August 2012, Thomas was leaving a birthday party at a trendy New York nightclub.

Wearing flashy jewelry, green sweatpants and a white t-shirt, Thomas walked toward his brand-new white Escalade when two white police officers approached him. What happened next is in dispute, but an altercation ensued, culminating in Thomas getting his head smashed against the hood of his car and then spun to the ground and put in handcuffs.

“If I was white, it wouldn’t have happened,” said Thomas, who has filed a lawsuit against the city over the incident. The New York City Corporation Counsel said it could not comment on pending litigation.

At an ale house in Williamsburg, Brooklyn last week, a group of black police officers from across the city gathered for the beer and chicken wing special. They discussed how the officers involved in the Garner incident could have tried harder to talk down an upset Garner, or sprayed mace in his face, or forced him to the ground without using a chokehold. They all agreed his death was avoidable.

Said one officer from the 106th Precinct in Queens, “That could have been any one of us.”

this is precisely what Mayor de Blasio was trying to change within NYPD thru reforms and to try to unite the community and NYPD together as "One City".

 

[Reba]

MODS: How did a poll get added to my thread? I didn't do it.

 

[Foxrac]

MODS: How did a poll get added to my thread? I didn't do it.

2 threads got merged so that caused the poll to be added.

I believe that thread about questioning on Mayor de Blasio should resign from mayor need to be separated, not merge into one thread.

 

[Reba]

2 threads got merged so that caused the poll to be added.

Oh. I didn't see a notification for that.

I believe that thread about questioning on Mayor de Blasio should resign from mayor need to be separated, not merge into one thread.

I agree. I would like to see all this stuff about the mayor, racial profiling, etc., as a separate thread, and keep the focus on the two police officers who were killed, and anything pertaining to that investigation.

 

[Jiro]

Oh. I didn't see a notification for that.


I agree. I would like to see all this stuff about the mayor, racial profiling, etc., as a separate thread, and keep the focus on the two police officers who were killed, and anything pertaining to that investigation.

yea agreed. would hate to see officers' deaths get embroiled in political debate.

 

[Jiro]

http://nypost.com/2014/12/23/gang-members-threaten-to-shoot-up-nypd-station-house/

The NYPD set up SWAT teams at two Bedford-Stuyvesant police precincts Tuesday night — after a confidential informant told cops about overhearing a gang plot to “shoot it out” at the station houses.

Four Emergency Services Unit officers, outfitted with helmets and assault weapons, were stationed at the 79th Precinct. Another two were at the 81st.

The beefed-up security was prompted by a confidential informant, who told cops of overhearing a member of the Baltimore-based Black Guerrilla Family talking with fellow gang members about plans to “shoot it out with police” at the two precincts, law enforcement sources told The Post.

The gang member served three years in jail for robbery and attempted murder.
Officials differed in their characterizations of the seriousness of the alleged threat.

A senior police official conceded to The Post, “We’re investigating that threat, but at this time, it does not appear to be credible.”

“I’m told it’s credible,” Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, countered of the threat. “We’ve got emergency service personnel providing additional security outside of precincts. It’s credible.”

This is the second alleged threat against cops this month that comes from the Black Guerrilla Family.

On Dec. 7, officers were urged to wear their bulletproof vests and pack extra ammo because of a “verified” threat that they were being targeted by the same gang.

terrible!

 

[whatdidyousay!]

yea agreed. would hate to see officers' deaths get embroiled in political debate.

And we're not allow to have political debates , I had a thread locked for this reason.

 

[Foxrac]

And we're not allow to have political debates , I had a thread locked for this reason.

It allowed under special circumstance that decided by mods or admin.