to those BORN with severe-profound hearing loss

[Cloggy]

WHAT THE EFF?!?! ......
Also, the number of people who speak Dine (Navajo) is quite low, but nobody is arguing that Navajo kids need to be limited to English.

.. nor are the Navajo kids expecting the rest of the world to learn Dine (Navajo).

 

[BecLak]

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WHAT THE EFF?!?! ......

Also, the number of people who speak Dine (Navajo) is quite low, but nobody is arguing that Navajo kids need to be limited to English.

.. nor are the Navajo kids expecting the rest of the world to learn Dine (Navajo).

We are not expecting everyone to learn sign language either, there are many forms of non-verbal communication - even wow! Imagine this! - written English!!!! How hard is that?!

 

[saywhatkid]

Anyone that was BORN with this kind of loss- Adult,teen or a parent who has a child with this loss that wears HEARING AIDS not a CI. any advice info will be helpful. Tell me your story. As in story I mean what can you hear ? How is your speech? Do you go to public or deaf school?

If you have advice/experience..... for the THREAD please post. Again if you have a SEVERE-PROFOUND hearing loss that have HEARING AIDS ...POST. If you have an opinion post some where else or make your own thread.
. I have to look over these comments in hopes that they will be helpful....Which MANY of them are and I thank you to those that posted. But now its turning and no longer being helpful.

Also, Suzanne posted pages back about parents with children with hearing loss as well to post- not just posters who are DHH.

She did? I still cannot find any request for the CI-only parents to assume their views are being sought here. I see her asking for parents of children with HA-only views, or those born deaf.

Gets tiring to see the same parents trumpeting their cause whenever there is a door of opportunity to sell their CI-only viewpoints, ad nauseum. Some of us actually hope to learn something besides the usual crap. We get it, ya know?

 

[Cloggy]

If you have advice/experience..... for the THREAD please post. ....... But I really need useful commentary. not arugment.

..and I have seen excellent advice / experience for this thread...

 

[GrendelQ]

I don't know if there are any "CI-only" parents posting here with advice about the things the OP asked about -- how well HAs worked for our children, FM systems, etc.. Most children who eventually obtained a CI were previously severe-profoundly deaf children who used one or two HAs for a time until determining they could not provide useful access to sound.

 

[BecLak]

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Suzanne was asking for first-hand hands-on experience from people who are born severe-profound D/deaf who had used, or are using HAs. Parents of CI children don't fall into that category, unfortunately. There are ones who have deliberated in derailing from the important points we are bringing out. My personal experience with HAs was needed to be expressed so Suzanne can see a realistic view of the downside of HAs. For some of us, have their positive experiences. However, having access to sound that hearing parents see as all important, does not always benefit the Dhh child either, when we have to spend a life-time in speech therapy. It is downright hard work! It is never-ending. It is not something you can say that you can start and finish. There are always 2 sides to every coin and I am guessing that is why Suzanne was asking us for our opinions.


Yes, when I was a child I wore HAs and went to speech therapy and my mother worked with me on my speech everyday constantly. It was so I could fit in to the society around me. I have no doubts that my parents had my best interests at heart. As a child I truly believed that all the speech therapy and trying to be as hearing as possible was in my best interests. I even reached to point of being an 'oral success' so much so I was a successful public speaker (orally). But now as an adult, I faced the reality that to continue as I was, was not being true to myself. I was also still having to put the hard effort into speaking clearly purely for the benefit of others. A few years back, I discovered I had other options, so have now decided to pursue them by choice. Something that was not given to me or my parents when I was diagnosed.

In saying all this, Grendel, I want to also say how much I admire you giving your daughter everything from ASL to BiBi school (although I would not choose the CI road myself as a parent), because at least she has choice to fall back on.

What is the most important here is having non-verbal options available for the Dhh child to fall back on, should technology fail, which it is prone to do at some point, as all technology does.

 

[rick48]

.. nor are the Navajo kids expecting the rest of the world to learn Dine (Navajo).

What they're not? Shoot and now I wasted all that time learning Dine!

 

[rick48]

DD- what you are missing is her point. Your response is going 15 different directions... and you didn't answer her question.

CSign, forget it. They do not even understand the fact that your child does not have a ci!

 

[rick48]

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We are not expecting everyone to learn sign language either, there are many forms of non-verbal communication - even wow! Imagine this! - written English!!!! How hard is that?!

How hard is not the question, rather how practical is it? To think of the numerous times that one encounters others during the course of the day and interacts with them orally, to then transform each and every one of those interactions, even the brief ones into an exchange conducted in writing is unrealistic and impractical.

 

[saywhatkid]

..and I have seen excellent advice / experience for this thread...

That tells me that written English is not your strong suit. Which part of "HA, not CI" are you misunderstanding/ignoring?

Anyhow, same crap, different thread.

 

[saywhatkid]

CSign, forget it. They do not even understand the fact that your child does not have a ci!

I understand it.

Whether or not anyone agrees with her input, her opinion is exactly what the OP is looking for. It is just a sample of the many HA-only children of parents that are out there. Your opinion is not sought, and is, in fact, not welcomed. You have chosen to butt in. Haven't you expressed your love for CIs in enough threads? At what point does it become a matter of trolling the deaf?

 

[Smithtr]

I am definitely not lost without an interpreter. I can always find a way to communicate. And I don't really get tired from it either.

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[AlleyCat]

Look, the biggest reason I'm learning sign language is so I can have a community of people that I can talk to and shoot the breeze with, without having communication barriers.

It's not so I can talk to my boss. Or my teacher. I don't necessarily need sign language for that, even though it is hard for me to understand them.

It's so I can actually take part in and understand group conversations for the first time in my life. It's so that I'm actually a part of things rather than in a bubble floating along.

I might not be able to have this in all areas of my life, but at least I can have it in one place, among those who are like me.

People are talking about accommodations and whether "everyone" uses sign. Of course not everyone does. That's not the point. It's about quality of life.

Edit: I think one thing that debates like this miss, is the human cycle of life. All our lives go way, way beyond K-12 school. Or college. We are spending a lifetime with deafness. What do we need to be happy? Who do we need around us? Accommodation is one thing, but we need a space to be ourselves and not struggle so damn much to understand and be understood. In my view, that's where the deaf community and sign language comes in.

Total thumbs up!

 

[deafdyke]

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We are not expecting everyone to learn sign language either, there are many forms of non-verbal communication - even wow! Imagine this! - written English!!!! How hard is that?!

THIS. also,There is NO LACK of dhh kids learning how to speak. The overwhelming majority of dhh kids get speech training. she's implying that it's an either or thing, when it comes to communication. I really love how certain organizations claim that there's freedom in listening and speaking...if that is true then how come I know a lot of very oral people who refuse to go out anywhere without a Hearing Ear Person....(basically an oral interpreter)

 

[deafdyke]

And my answer is that FM and Cprint are both faulty expensive technology. They have their place, and can be quite useful some times in their place. But a kid should not be trained to exclusively depend on those technologies. it just seems like hearing parents cannot believe that, yes while we can hear somewhat , and many of us can do very well with the HOH level hearing that we have, we can ALSO function FULLY and completely without hearing. We treat it as an auxirrlily sense.

 

[Grummer]

That tells me that written English is not your strong suit. Which part of "HA, not CI" are you misunderstanding/ignoring?

Anyhow, same crap, different thread.

like, same shit different smell lol

 

[Frisky Feline]

wow i see some still post here who are not born deaf and ignore OP's request repeatedly. :roll:

 

[KarissaMann05]

wow i see some still post here who are not born deaf and ignore OP's request repeatedly. :roll:

Yeah, CIs are so much important enough to defend, and fuck hearing aids.

This thread is nothing but ludicrous. :roll:

 

[Frisky Feline]

Bigotry and judgment are the height of insecurity.

 

[CSign]

Yeah, CIs are so much important enough to defend, and fuck hearing aids.

This thread is nothing but ludicrous. :roll:

I'm not sure I'm following... I don't recall reading anywhere that anyone wrote that about hearing aids. Did I miss a post?