To Implant or Not to Implant??

bbaseballboy123 said:
you admit deaf people are unattractive? I was just kidding about that (although quiet a few are not so attractive).

What I dont get is why is there hoh if you consider yourself deaf, yet hear some without tools?
im not hoh, stoned deaf, think thats pretty clear



how are you able to hear the music you make though?
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hearing aids and vibrations.
 
DeafCaroline said:
hearing aids and vibrations.
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exactly, now if a stone deaf person tries to make music, hearing aids wont help a bit. that's why i said, when do you ever see a deaf person want to play music... rarely cause they dont know the sound unless they have an implant.


shel90 said:
Ohhh glad that you were kidding about it. Yes, some are unattractive. I am one of them. :lol:

I am no way hoh...I am deaf and culturally Deaf.

I cant make music if my life depended on it but I can hear it but not like most hoh people do.
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A happy person is an attractive person, just not physical :)
 
bbaseballboy123 said:
I'm for implantation on babies if I ever have a deaf baby.
I guess i would not consider myself "Deaf", just deaf cause I only have only a few deaf friends (and actually try to avoid other deaf people cause they're not attractive :p, but seriously, i try avoid others because theyre hard to communicate with; speechwise). I am taking asl course and loving it, been using it somewhat with a few people that know a little too, signed some with a few deaf people on skype. If im signing, im signing/talking at the same time.

I ALWAYS wear my implant so yeah, im depended on it and i dont really care if i am. only time i care is when it breaks.

Eh, some (mainly just the Deaf) think implants are EVIL!
I mean... look at this video, you'll see a part which says cochlear implants are bad:

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I believe i can hear pretty damn good if i'm not in the cafe with a bunch of noises. Just had to train myself to be on left side of people (hearing out of my right)


I wont mention who in my life that showed me that video and said "see". Its a bs video. But yeah yeah we dont hear everything as a hearing person do cause implants work on channels, not every hair cell (4000-5000 i believe?)


Well first of all, you avoid other deaf b/c you can't understand them speechwise? HOLY COW that is something to consider....You know, how the hell do pro oralists expect those of us with deaf voices to easily understand each other?
And yes you are completely and utterly dependent on the CI. You cannot function without it...hell you can't even speechread! Remember how lost you were when your CIs malfunctioned?
And yes, there are anti CIers but it's gotten a lot more mellow in the past decade. I can remember when anti CI sentiment was the NORM. Now there are Deaf people who are GETTING them!!!! Did you know back when hearing aids were first introdued a lot of Deaf adults were severely against them?
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bbaseballboy123 said:
exactly, now if a stone deaf person tries to make music, hearing aids wont help a bit. that's why i said, when do you ever see a deaf person want to play music... rarely cause they dont know the sound unless they have an implant.



A happy person is an attractive person, just not physical :)
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By all medical definitions, I'm deaf. I can't hear a single thing without hearing aids.

You earlier said people who can hear anything WITHOUT tools are HOH. I'm not in that category. I'm medically deaf.
 
bbaseballboy123 said:
exactly, now if a stone deaf person tries to make music, hearing aids wont help a bit. that's why i said, when do you ever see a deaf person want to play music... rarely cause they dont know the sound unless they have an implant.



A happy person is an attractive person, just not physical :)
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There are deaf musicians all over the world. Google is your friend.
 
DeafCaroline said:
By all medical definitions, I'm deaf. I can't hear a single thing without hearing aids.

You earlier said people who can hear anything WITHOUT tools are HOH. I'm not in that category. I'm medically deaf.
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Yes, quite a few deaf (meaning severe, severe-profound and even profound) are HOH with hearing aids.
 
jillio said:
It means that parents overestimate their child's functioning levels, abilities to function in a totally oral environment, and their happiness and social adjustment. As is evidenced by the differences in parental reports and reports from professionals that actually use specific criteria and know what to look for, and in the reports given by the children themselves.
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I know as a deaf person, growing up, I compensated all the time by guessing. I wouldn't let on that I didn't hear it as I was conditioned to think that it would greatly inconvenience everyone around me, so I sacrificed my own comfort and wellbeing for the better good of the majority. Since I was the only deaf person in my family and environment, I was always in that situation. It would be no different had I a CI or HA as they are only tools not a cure. As I grew older, I trained myself to distinguish what my family and close friends were saying, however, put me in with strangers and I am good as back to square one at the guessing game. Had I sign language from early on instead of being raised orally and mainstreamed, I would have had the confidence to be who I was/am and would have flourished with understanding in all means of communication.
 
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deafdyke said:
Yes, quite a few deaf (meaning severe, severe-profound and even profound) are HOH with hearing aids.
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True. However, I was addressing what he was saying earlier about people who can hear anything without tools being HOH and that deaf people are unlikely to enjoy music or play instruments.

I was pointing out that by his definition, I'm deaf and yet contrary to what he says, deaf people CAN enjoy music and learn to play instruments.
 
BecLak said:
I know as a deaf person, growing up, I compensated all the time by guessing. I wouldn't let on that I didn't hear it as I was conditioned to think that it would greatly inconvenience everyone around me, so I sacrificed my own comfort and wellbeing for the better good of the majority. Since I was the only deaf person in my family and environment, I was always in that situation. It would be no different had I a CI or HA as they are only tools not a cure. As I grew older, I trained myself to distinguish what my family and close friends were saying, however, put me in with strangers and I am good as back to square one at the guessing game. Had I sign language from early on instead of being raised orally and mainstreamed, I would have had the confidence to be who I was/am and would have flourished with understanding in all means of communication.
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It takes a very very few parents to admit that their deaf child doesnt hear like their hearing peers. It is hard to accept that one's child is not as perfect as the pedestal they have in mind.

I admit I do that with my own children. I have always scored above average for reading and reading comprehension so it is hard for me to accept that my son has struggles with reading comprehension but at least I acknowledge it instead of denying it.
 
shel90 said:
It takes a very very few parents to admit that their deaf child doesnt hear like their hearing peers. It is hard to accept that one's child is not as perfect as the pedestal they have in mind.

I admit I do that with my own children. I have always scored above average for reading and reading comprehension so it is hard for me to accept that my son has struggles with reading comprehension but at least I acknowledge it instead of denying it.
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That's so true, for me growing up oral is downright hard work, (as you know yourself Shel) even after speech therapy and practicing and correcting myself for 36 years, it is still hard. It only benefits hearing people, not me. That's why I made the decision not so long ago to become voice-off.
 
shel90 said:
It takes a very very few parents to admit that their deaf child doesnt hear like their hearing peers. It is hard to accept that one's child is not as perfect as the pedestal they have in mind.

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AMEN! We can hear but the problem is that we do not and cannot hear like hearing people. We hear like HOH people. Hearing like a HOH person is like "seeing" for a legally blind person. Legally blind people can see (and have residual sight) but it in no way resembels the way sighted people can see.
 
bbaseballboy123 said:
I guess i would not consider myself "Deaf", just deaf cause I only have only a few deaf friends (and actually try to avoid other deaf people cause they're not attractive.
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bbaseballboy123 said:
you admit deaf people are unattractive? I was just kidding about that (although quite a few are not so attractive).
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You're such a jerk. Congratulations on exploring your identity as a d/Deaf person (whatever you want to call it -- I suspect I know which) and then labeling the deaf as unattractive. I hope karma bites you in the butt big-time.
 
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shel90 said:
BecLak said:
I know as a deaf person, growing up, I compensated all the time by guessing. I wouldn't let on that I didn't hear it as I was conditioned to think that it would greatly inconvenience everyone around me, so I sacrificed my own comfort and wellbeing for the better good of the majority. Since I was the only deaf person in my family and environment, I was always in that situation. It would be no different had I a CI or HA as they are only tools not a cure. As I grew older, I trained myself to distinguish what my family and close friends were saying, however, put me in with strangers and I am good as back to square one at the guessing game. Had I sign language from early on instead of being raised orally and mainstreamed, I would have had the confidence to be who I was/am and would have flourished with understanding in all means of communication.
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It takes a very very few parents to admit that their deaf child doesnt hear like their hearing peers. It is hard to accept that one's child is not as perfect as the pedestal they have in mind.

I admit I do that with my own children. I have always scored above average for reading and reading comprehension so it is hard for me to accept that my son has struggles with reading comprehension but at least I acknowledge it instead of denying it.
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really? Because i haven't seen one parent say that their child hears like a hearing person...
 
AlleyCat said:
You're such a jerk. Congratulations on exploring your identity as a d/Deaf person (whatever you want to call it -- I suspect I know which) and then labeling the deaf as unattractive. I hope karma bites you in the butt big-time.
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I went to my dark corner sobbing because I am very unattractive for being Deaf.

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F**** to these people who think Deaf culture and ASL is unattractive. i say "K****sss my ass*"
 
bbaseballboy123 said:
exactly, now if a stone deaf person tries to make music, hearing aids wont help a bit. that's why i said, when do you ever see a deaf person want to play music... rarely cause they dont know the sound unless they have an implant.



A happy person is an attractive person, just not physical :)
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There is a lady who is now a jazz artist - stone deaf, and she doesnt even wear any hearing aid.

Shes successful.
 
shel90 said:
I went to my dark corner sobbing because I am very unattractive for being Deaf.

:tears:

F**** to these people who think Deaf culture and ASL is unattractive. i say "K****sss my ass*"
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funny thing is im not saying deaf culture or being deaf is unattractive. I was just saying, and i quote "quiet a few deaf people arent so attractive" as in physical form. I think its funny you guys think i mean, being deaf is unattractive since... well im deaf.

this tells me you guys are realllly sensitive while you should not be.
 
bbaseballboy123 said:
Cause i am truly deaf, 100% nothing. but those who can hear something without any tools are just hoh.
What beliefs I have btw? pro implant? I cant think of anything other implant since i dont put down the Deaf culture
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There are views on this, medically, culturally, and self identity. I can see that you are only viewing it from the medical point of view. "She can hear more than me, therefore shes HOH." You're applying that label to her, for what reason?

The beliefs I was talking about is the views on deafness. Some people believe that deaf is only a physical thing, while the others entirely opposes that. This bothers you because you only view it as a physical thing.

For me, I'm glad the person identifies as deaf because telling other hearing people "I am HOH" is just downright confusing. They will go to lengths to try and talk orally to the HOH person without knowing exactly what is needed to facilitate proper communication.

I'm also glad for cultural reasons. Because I refer mostly to the HOH Community as a "lost community". You see it all the times here on alldeaf. People coming on here saying "I was raised to be as hearing as possible, and now I don't have many friends. I try to reach out to the deaf community and I feel rejected." They're stuck in a limbo. It sucks.

And don't get any wrong ideas. The Deaf community does not reject people. Everyone communicates on the same language level. Even hearing people do this. They speak English then see someone who is struggling and they will naturally gravitate to the others that speaks English on the same level, leaving the person who struggles behind.
 
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bbaseballboy123 said:
funny thing is im not saying deaf culture or being deaf is unattractive. I was just saying, and i quote "quiet a few deaf people arent so attractive" as in physical form. I think its funny you guys think i mean, being deaf is unattractive since... well im deaf.

this tells me you guys are realllly sensitive while you should not be.
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Next time you can try not being a dick :)
 
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