Those who decide not to get a CI

cjg said:
You have the ability to hear. Perhaps not clear or focused .. but you do process sounds. Which is "not deaf"
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No. You don't get to tell me whether I'm deaf or not. I have a 110 db loss. I get to be lucky enough to hear some sounds and speech with HAs. But at 110 db loss, I'm most definitely deaf.
 
cjg said:
You have the ability to hear. Perhaps not clear or focused .. but you do process sounds. Which is "not deaf"
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I can hear the TV blaring and etc but I am deaf. That's who I am.
 
cjg said:
You have the ability to hear. Perhaps not clear or focused .. but you do process sounds. Which is "not deaf"
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You are not of our culture , alien man.

I have profound deafness, and can hear a voice behind me close or loud, but even watching you I am guessing, because I hear mostly vowels.

My audiologist would think you are silly.
 
My loss is in the profound range at 115 db across the board and the only things that I can hear without CI are very loud noises like jets.

When I have the CI on, I can process sounds but to say that I can process sound just like a hearing person would be incorrect. I would not struggle to understand people in a large group nor would I struggle to understand words from a song if I were able to process sounds just like a hearing person. Therefore, I am still deaf. Being deaf doesn't mean living in total silence.
 
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Being deaf is inability to hear or understand speech no matter what their decibel hearing loss. If you compare at our audiogram ,you'll see how diverse we really are. You'll discover that stone deaf is very rare and most of us have some residual hearing.
 
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Btw Im in the 90's db profound deaf . I can't hear anything under 90 db without my hearing aids( now CI). When I was a teen I used to turn my radio full blast so I could hear the music without my aids. Does being able to hear anything loud above 90 decibel disqualify me as deaf?
 
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Being deaf is inability to hear or understand speech no matter what their decibel hearing loss. If you compare at our audiogram ,you'll see how diverse we really are. You'll discover that stone deaf is very rare and most of us have some residual hearing.
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That is not how the dictionary defines it. The fact that it is indeed very rare is the point I have been trying to make.

When you describe someone as 'deaf' you evoke the concept of 'stone deaf' as you put it.

Not talking about audio grams or anything ..

This started out as someone saying that her daughter could hear and understand someone speaking to her when her back was turned.

While still describing her as deaf.
 
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deafgal001 said:
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Being deaf is inability to hear or understand speech no matter what their decibel hearing loss. If you compare at our audiogram ,you'll see how diverse we really are. You'll discover that stone deaf is very rare and most of us have some residual hearing.
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That is not how the dictionary defines it. The fact that it is indeed very rare is the point I have been trying to make.

When you describe someone as 'deaf' you evoke the concept of 'stone deaf' as you put it.

Not talking about audio grams or anything ..

This started out as someone saying that her daughter could hear and understand someone speaking to her when her back was turned.

While still describing her as deaf.
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ok, so what word would you use for someone who has a profound hearing loss?
 
Bottesini said:
You are not of our culture , alien man.

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You seem to be very hung up on that , why ?

I am here to discuss and learn , yet you seem to not be willing to. Are you so much better then me because you are 'more culturally deaf' or then me ??

I never claimed to be "culturally deaf" or whatever the term you wish to use.

And sorry this is in public , but I have located the private message button and you have things set to refuse them. And as a side note , there is no 50 post minimum.
 
cjg said:
That is not how the dictionary defines it. The fact that it is indeed very rare is the point I have been trying to make.

When you describe someone as 'deaf' you evoke the concept of 'stone deaf' as you put it.

Not talking about audio grams or anything ..

This started out as someone saying that her daughter could hear and understand someone speaking to her when her back was turned.

While still describing her as deaf.
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My doctor told my parents that I am deaf even though i can hear with my HAs. However, I prefer to call myself deaf because it is easier.
 
cjg said:
That is not how the dictionary defines it. The fact that it is indeed very rare is the point I have been trying to make.

When you describe someone as 'deaf' you evoke the concept of 'stone deaf' as you put it.

Not talking about audio grams or anything ..

This started out as someone saying that her daughter could hear and understand someone speaking to her when her back was turned.

While still describing her as deaf.
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Posting one dictionary definition and source. Many other say exactly the same.
deaf (df)
adj. deaf·er, deaf·est
1. Partially or completely lacking in the sense of hearing.
2. Deaf Of or relating to the Deaf or their culture.
3. Unwilling or refusing to listen; heedless: was deaf to our objections.
n. (used with a pl. verb)
1. Deaf people considered as a group. Used with the.
2. Deaf The community of deaf people who use American Sign Language as a primary means of communication. Used with the.
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deaf - definition of deaf by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
 
faire_jour said:
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ok, so what word would you use for someone who has a profound hearing loss?
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That would be deaf.

As I pointed out before , this part of the discussion started not about 'profound' but about a CI implant wearer being able to hear and understand speech while there back was turned ..

To me , and as defined by Webster , that person ( at that point in time ) is not deaf.
 
cjg said:
You seem to be very hung up on that , why ?

I am here to discuss and learn , yet you seem to not be willing to. Are you so much better then me because you are 'more culturally deaf' or then me ??

I never claimed to be "culturally deaf" or whatever the term you wish to use.

And sorry this is in public , but I have located the private message button and you have things set to refuse them. And as a side note , there is no 50 post minimum.
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Mostly because you are acting like an idiot and insisting we accept your wrong definition.

Yes there is 50 post minimum.
 
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cjg said:
faire_jour said:
ok, so what word would you use for someone who has a profound hearing loss?
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That would be deaf.



As I pointed out before , this part of the discussion started not about 'profound' but about a CI implant wearer being able to hear and understand speech while there back was turned ..



To me , and as defined by Webster , that person ( at that point in time ) is not deaf.
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When you get your CI, you'll probably understand better. CI and HAs is just accomodation for deaf people to access the hearing world.
 
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And when it comes to the real world, making a distinction like "My kid is deaf but she/he can hear." is going to create more problems in the long run when it comes to dealing with the hearing population and getting accommodation. The first time you try to get educational accommodation because your kid is missing stuff in the classroom, that statement will come back to haunt you in a big, big way.
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*nods* Trust me I went through this twenty years ago as a kid. " Oh she's not really deaf. She doesn't need intense accomondations like a 'terp or a TOD or whatever. They used that to deny me accomondations or placements that could have helped me suceed academicly.
And to both Grendel and faire joure, it's AWESOME that your girls are doing so well orally. BUT, its hard to tell whether or not the spoken language abilty will progress to on par or sophisticated spoken language. Not to mention that a lot of dhh kids (including superstars) may have HUGE social emotional issues (pragmatic social language abilty)
Oralist. Wrote a book that had something about Pigs in the title....a take off on a phrase he once misread.
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No, he wasn't oralist. He was postlingally deafened. Like deafened as a kid.
 
cjg said:
You seem to be very hung up on that , why ?

I am here to discuss and learn , yet you seem to not be willing to. Are you so much better then me because you are 'more culturally deaf' or then me ??

I never claimed to be "culturally deaf" or whatever the term you wish to use.

And sorry this is in public , but I have located the private message button and you have things set to refuse them. And as a side note , there is no 50 post minimum.
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Webster, since you referenced it.

Definition of DEAF
1: lacking or deficient in the sense of hearing
2: unwilling to hear or listen : not to be persuaded <was overwrought and deaf to reason>
— deaf·ish\ˈde-fish\ adjective
— deaf·ly adverb
— deaf·ness noun
Examples of DEAF
He has been deaf since birth.
She's completely deaf in her right ear.
He's going a little deaf so you'll have to speak up.
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Deaf - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
Bottesini said:
Mostly because you are acting like an idiot and insisting we accept your wrong definition.

Yes there is 50 post minimum.
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Where have you show that it is wrong .. you posted it yourself ..

and no .. you are wrong .. there is no 50 post minimum .. adjust your settings to allow PM's and ill show you ..
 
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cjg said:
faire_jour said:
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ok, so what word would you use for someone who has a profound hearing loss?
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That would be deaf.

As I pointed out before , this part of the discussion started not about 'profound' but about a CI implant wearer being able to hear and understand speech while there back was turned ..

To me , and as defined by Webster , that person ( at that point in time ) is not deaf.
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but she still has a profound hearing loss! That is never going away. Nothing will change that, but a million things could change whether or not she can understand speech. Things from a head injury all the way down to jumping up and down. How is she anything but deaf? What word would you use???
 
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