THose of You That Love Obama

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The presidency is not really important theseb days. Look how obam has had his hands tied. By bbonehead bohner the house speaker. Bonehead is against any and all issues that obama only. Cuz it would mean that bonehead would not get points for the republicans. Ever since obama has been elected this has been the case.
To get your voice heard you need to focus on senators and congressmen. That is where the real power lies. Remember a vote for a republican is a vote for the death of america
 
Crony capitalism is a bipartisan issue.

Exactly.

There's a lot of complaining about obama and crony capitalism on some of the political sites that I vist like zcommunications and counterpunch.
 
Remember a vote for a republican is a vote for the death of america

Aha. I'm no fan of the current republicans, but this was pretty funny.

I do agree that the pendulum needs to swing back to the left. The financial crisis and current economic malaise is the result 3 decades of neoliberalism taken to it's extreme.
 
Actually, the crisis is the result of Nixon having taken us off the gold standard on the international front (defaulted, really) on August 15, 1971. We've had 40+ years of pure fiat, the ultimate wet dream of bankers everywhere. This has allowed governments to expand the money supply far faster than the population growth, resulting in the decrease of the value of a US Dollar (and pretty much all other paper currencies). That was the final major step after Roosevelt had the US default on the gold standard to its citizens on April 5, 1933 via executive order 6102, "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States." The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation. In other words, it was illegal to save in REAL money, unless you went to silver, which went down over the years as part of the plan to rid the population of silver through government dishoarding and allowing the industrial silver users access to silver at essentially fire-sale prices. Anyway, the same thing happened with silver coins when we went to base-metal coins in 1965. ONE silver quarter will net you about $6 in base-metal quarters. ONE silver quarter is worth 24 base-metal quarters!

Now... This is about the typical lifespan of paper currencies, about 40 years; no paper currency has outlived the lifespan of a human. Look at what goes on around you in the states that are writing legislation to allow gold and silver to be used in certain situations. Look at the fact that as a group, central banks have become NET BUYERS of gold.

People are beginning to wake up and learn about why gold and silver has been used as money, as a medium of exchange and a store of value, over the thousands of years of human history.
 
Actually, the crisis is the result of Nixon having taken us off the gold standard on the international front (defaulted, really) on August 15, 1971. We've had 40+ years of pure fiat, the ultimate wet dream of bankers everywhere. This has allowed governments to expand the money supply far faster than the population growth, resulting in the decrease of the value of a US Dollar (and pretty much all other paper currencies). That was the final major step after Roosevelt had the US default on the gold standard to its citizens on April 5, 1933 via executive order 6102, "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States." The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation. In other words, it was illegal to save in REAL money, unless you went to silver, which went down over the years as part of the plan to rid the population of silver through government dishoarding and allowing the industrial silver users access to silver at essentially fire-sale prices. Anyway, the same thing happened with silver coins when we went to base-metal coins in 1965. ONE silver quarter will net you about $6 in base-metal quarters. ONE silver quarter is worth 24 base-metal quarters!

Now... This is about the typical lifespan of paper currencies, about 40 years; no paper currency has outlived the lifespan of a human. Look at what goes on around you in the states that are writing legislation to allow gold and silver to be used in certain situations. Look at the fact that as a group, central banks have become NET BUYERS of gold.

People are beginning to wake up and learn about why gold and silver has been used as money, as a medium of exchange and a store of value, over the thousands of years of human history.

Too bad people here will not bother to read what you said. I've been saying the same thing and so far, no dice. The Nixon Shock did more harm than good.
 
Too bad people here will not bother to read what you said. I've been saying the same thing and so far, no dice. The Nixon Shock did more harm than good.

Well, we had a nice run from about 1983 to 2007. The "Great Moderation" and all that.

Central banks aren't inherently bad, but they must be regulated and limited in their involvement to prevent the temptations of excessive credit and inflationary policies. Germany learned this lesson more than 80 years ago, and they have stuck with it to this day.
 
Well, we had a nice run from about 1983 to 2007. The "Great Moderation" and all that.

Central banks aren't inherently bad, but they must be regulated and limited in their involvement to prevent the temptations of excessive credit and inflationary policies. Germany learned this lesson more than 80 years ago, and they have stuck with it to this day.

It may had seemed like a nice run, but in truth, we were warned about it quite a few times over the years. The deregulations that were made during these years also led to the economic meltdown. There were several warnings, for instance, Enron and several other corporations got busted scamming their clients, customers, etc. It didn't stop there, there were quite a few ponazi schemes where billions and billions were taken from people, for instance, Madoff.
 
It may had seemed like a nice run, but in truth, we were warned about it quite a few times over the years. The deregulations that were made during these years also led to the economic meltdown. There were several warnings, for instance, Enron and several other corporations got busted scamming their clients, customers, etc. It didn't stop there, there were quite a few ponazi schemes where billions and billions were taken from people, for instance, Madoff.

By almost all metrics, the US enjoyed solid growth and stability throughout the 80s, 90s and 00s leading up to the 2008 financial crisis, and a lot of it was due to fiscal and monetary policies that "smoothed over" the inherent volatility of the business cycle. Of course I don't support the deregulation that led to the financial crisis. It was absolutely preventable without a return to the gold standard and/or the abolishment of the Fed and fractional reserve banking.
 
Well, we had a nice run from about 1983 to 2007. The "Great Moderation" and all that.

Central banks aren't inherently bad, but they must be regulated and limited in their involvement to prevent the temptations of excessive credit and inflationary policies. Germany learned this lesson more than 80 years ago, and they have stuck with it to this day.

Then you need to read the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and understand how central banks work; stealth theft of your savings through inflation.

The fact is, it is IMPOSSIBLE to resist the temptation of inflation. It has failed EVERY TIME, this time included. Central banks are a tool of the moneyed class to keep control over people. Also, read the history of why people, some Presidents included, have fought against bank charterings.

Regulation doesn't do SHIT! A very good example is the case of MF Global, a company that failed as it went bankrupt. It was found to have stolen customer's money in order to pay its bills after CEO Corzine's bets on the euro debt went BAD. They looted customer's account in order to make payments, and that is explicitly ILLEGAL. but they did it anyway. And there are things that CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange), a self-regulating body that oversees such companies, was aware of, and yet they did nothing. Section 546(e) of the Bankruptcy Code likely will prevent MF Global customers from ever getting their $1.6 billion back.

another aspect of CME is that they are involved in criminal activity in the gold and silver markets. They do this by setting margin requirements that causes losses in these markets by issuing margin hikes on the contracts, causing the participants to have to pony up extra money to cover the margins. They end up getting out of the market, triggering a sell-off that drive the price of gold/silver back down, sometimes by 50%. JP Morgan is one of the companies involved in this. They appear to be going long after such a crash (buying on the long side) while the metals are down, and eventually it takes off. When it gets high enough, margin calls are issued and JP Morgan at the same time sells out of their long positions and immediately goes on the short side, so that they sell short contracts at a high price and buy back those same contracts back after a crash, and they pocket the difference upon giving the short contracts they borrowed back. It's like a wave generator; they make money on the way up and down. The movement of gold and silver in the short~ and intermediate-terms are not based upon market fundamentals, but market manipulation by criminals.
 
MF Global going bankrupt happened after deregulation. Market collapse of 2008 happened after deregulation.

If you look at countries like Canada and Israel who have strong banking regulations, they fared quite well and never experienced such extremes in economic depressions like the US has after deregulation started in the early 80s.
 
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I think we should impeach all of congress and start over. Maybe we can representtives that can make a decision
 
MF Global going bankrupt happened after deregulation. Market collapse of 2008 happened after deregulation.

If you look at countries like Canada and Israel who have strong banking regulations, they fared quite well and never experienced such extremes in economic depressions like the US has after deregulation started in the early 80s.

The one thing you forgot, Caroline, is that this growth was helped by the FACT that the US Dollar is the world reserve currency. In order for things to stay stable across the board, all countries MUST devalue their currency by printing up more of their currency to keep up with the inflation rate of the US. That's partly why you see food riots in countries who are severely impacted by currency inflation. If you, as another country don't do so, your export market risks being impacted by your currency made stronger and thusly, your wares you export become more expensive.

You need to compare the cost of things today in Canada versus 30-40 years ago. I'm sure things have gone up there. You'll find it everywhere you go.

When I said regulation didn't do anything, I was talking SPECIFICALLY about market manipulation in the futures market for commodities and precious metals. I'm talking about companies like JP Morgan, MF Global, CME, HSBC, COMEX, Jefferies, et al. The regulators (CFTC and SEC) HAVE looked the other way while this was going on. The documented evidence is presented here - Documentation | Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee

There are those of us who believe that there are employees who have infiltrated the CFTC and SEC. Look at CFTC; who is Gary Gensler? He's the Chairman of CFTC. He is ALSO former Goldman Sachs! Not EX-GS, but FORMER-GS. Those of you familiar with Marines understand what this means. What they do, it appears, is that these companies line up their employees to go to work at these agencies, and they are not only on the payroll at their companies, but also at the agencies they have infiltrated! Their job is to block legislation that might hurt their companies, and failing that, fail to implement legislation in a timely manner, or if they have to implement them, they will be lax in enforcement against their own companies, but really enforce it against their enemies in the financial sector. This appears to have happened in 2008 regarding Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns (the latter was saved, while the former was allowed to fail). Consider reading Soon To Be Former Treasury Secretary Geithner Subpoenaed Over Lehman Fail | ZeroHedge - there are additional links within that you might want to look at. The lack of enforcement is ongoing in the precious metals market, regarding the lack of enforcement of position limits and the delaying of the definition of a "swap," which has an impact on participation in the market.

From Reuters: "The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission is expected to vote on a final rule that would define a swap dealer and a major swap participant. The Securities and Exchange Commission, which is working with the CFTC on the joint rules, may also vote on a similar measure next week." This was supposed to have been done and the position limits clarified over a year ago! Hopefully, it will be done tomorrow. They have postponed this several times, and it would not surprise me if something happened and they had to postpone it again.

The deal with the precious metal markets is that JP Morgan inherited a massive silver short position from Bear Stearns in 2008, and they've been trying to work it down. It appears that the way they do that is to go short just before a massive raid on silver, like that occurred in April/May of last year, dropping it from $48.48 all the way down to about 27.15 with the help of CME's FIVE margin calls in a 9-day period that bled out $13 over the course of a few weeks. Once JP Morgan had achieved their objective, they bought back their shorts, and upon giving the shorts back to the source, pocketed the difference, and used that money to pay down their underwater shorts. Once silver bottoms out, JP Morgan goes long so that they can ride the price up and sell out to go into shorts at the high price, and have CME or some related event trigger the selloff, and here the cycle repeats again. They make money in both directions, like an ocean wave generator. That is market manipulation when the prices of something is not based on market fundamentals, like a silver lode discovered or a physical shortage developing, or a war event happening. Look at this 10-year silver chart down at the bottom right, and you'll see what I mean; going from peak to peak in about 2-3 years. Kitco - Silver Page The perpetrators' behaviors are very predictable, and I have been successful in learning about how this works in the context of a very large-scale historical move of understanding what fiat currency does to a country and supposedly, an intergeneration fight is underway to undo the damage of the previous two generations and slowly reintegrate gold/silver as money with as little disruptions as possible.

They clearly don't want history repeated, especially when you look at ancient Rome, China's experiment with paper money over a thousand years ago, the US Continental Dollar, the French Assignat, Weimar Germany, Hungary, Zimbabwe. They will do ANYTHING to defend the level of civilization we have today. That means we have to go back to a form of money that can be trusted, one that doesn't debase your store of wealth (like your retirement plan from 50 years ago being enough to buy bread, etc.). We also have to go back to an honest way of making money. It won't be done overnight.

People, through the fiat system, have been trained to expect that when you put money into a savings account, you're expected to get money added onto it. Like depositing $100 and getting back $103-105 at the end of a year. Just like that... Without you doing anything. What NEEDS to happen is that if you have 100 ounces of gold, and you want 105 ounces of gold, you should either get outside and work for it in a productive manner, or you should risk the capital in a business endeavor that will give you some return on the money, depending on the risk factors. And you HAVE to be willing to take a loss if you make a bad investment decision. All of us experience this in the stock markets, BUT those well-connected in the financial sectors for the most part have been bailed out through taxpayer money. To reap what you successfully earn, but to be bailed out for your mistakes is called moral hazard. In other words, you don't pay for your mistakes. This leads to being careless about your decisions, especially when customer money is involved, like the situation with MF Global. That damned Corzine got greedy and made some bad bets I NEVER would have made in the first place. I knew he was an idiot for making these bets. What goes around, comes around.
 
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