The Welfare State

I totally disagree with the article! It was probaly written by one of those "welfare is 100% evil" conservatives! Yes, there are people who abuse welfare, and are chronicly on it.....but they are the MINORITY....the MINORITY!
Do you have any statistics to back up this claim?

I highly doubt this sort of looting, raping, beating, pillaging, etc would have taken place in Boise, Idaho.

There are too many back-to-work programs available now. Problem is most of these people would rather not work. It is so much easier to blame the government for their problems than take responsibility for their own lot in life.
 
deafdyke said:
I totally disagree with the article! It was probaly written by one of those "welfare is 100% evil" conservatives! Yes, there are people who abuse welfare, and are chronicly on it.....but they are the MINORITY....the MINORITY! CC Sinned, this descirption of the disaster could have been written about almost EVERY and ANY disaster..... It's just that THIS disaster was so collosally HUGE.
Yes, there was violence (eg rape and looting and stuff like that).....but you know what? Looting happens ALL the time in disasters.....and not just *bad* disasters....I remmeber hearing that during a blackout....a BLACKOUT!!!! NYC experianced looting! There was rape...and that is too bad. Whoever did that should be locked away in a deep dark hole and left to rot until all eternity....BUT the majority of people behaved themselves....Painting everyone with one brush, is just the same as the bum rap that, for an example, the Irish experianced during the early years of the last century.(dirty Irish, No Irish need apply....God, everyone thought that the Irish were more prone to violence...and one of the worst parts of NYC was an Irish ghetto, that made the violence seen in NO seem like NOTHING!
The welfare benifits didn't cause the mentailty....It was the fact that most of those poor people did not have a way to get out of New Orleans privatly....Not too many poor people can take advantage of privatization things.....b/c GUESS WHAT? Stuff like that costs MONEY! Something that poor people don't have!

During this past Jan. there was an Ice Storm. Took place right here in Northeastern PA. The ice on the trees ended up gettin 7 inches thick. Trees fell into people's homes & crushed cars. 90,000 people were without power for one week. No heat, No Lights and no phones. Guess what there was NOT one rape or case of looting reported. No one broke into Kmart or Walmart & looted... :smoking:
It is the mentailty of dead beat scum that would rather lie, cheat, steal or sell dope. Then get a job & work for a living.
Btw Katrina came with enough warning time to WALK out of New Orleans.
 
I mean no disrespect to some of you, but I also have to agree with the article. I really think it goes back to personal responsibility. It should not have mattered whether people were on public assistance or not, they should have had the where with all to get themselves out of harm's way! How much effort would it have taken for them to call someone to arrange transport out of of the city? This is what I would do if my area was threatened with a storm, and I had to rely on myself to get to safety.

Granted, things are down differently here, and I have resources to rely on to help, but it is still my responsibility to see to it that I am safe from harm when a storm threatens.

This was also true of these people. Just because one is poor doesn't mean they are also helpless.
 
deafdyke said:
....Looting happens ALL the time in disasters.....
Nope. After Hurricane Hugo hit the Charleston area in 1989, people were without electricity from five days to five weeks (depending on the location), and no water or sewer. There was NO looting! Before, during and after the hurricane, Mayor Riley and Chief Greenburg continuously announced that looting and price gouging would not be tolerated. And none happened.
 
Reba said:
Nope. After Hurricane Hugo hit the Charleston area in 1989, people were without electricity from five days to five weeks (depending on the location), and no water or sewer. There was NO looting! Before, during and after the hurricane, Mayor Riley and Chief Greenburg continuously announced that looting and price gouging would not be tolerated. And none happened.

That's rignt. Looting doesn't always happen. It didn't happen down here when Hurricane Georges came through the Lower Keys in 1998. They eye of that hurricane, went right over the island I live on. After that storm, we were affected pretty severely, and were without power for three weeks. During that time, we saw absolutely no looting whatsoever. We also didn't see looting after Hurricane Irene also affected this island a year later.
 
Guess what there was NOT one rape or case of looting reported. No one broke into Kmart or Walmart & looted...
It is the mentailty of dead beat scum that would rather lie, cheat, steal or sell dope. Then get a job & work for a living.
That's nice......but PA is very rural and suburban....whereas in New Orleans or metropolition areas there are more people, so as a result, the idoits/bad people are concentrated. I mean, I totally know what you're getting at. My mom works in the inner city, and she works with mothers who have NO clue....I mean you talk to them, and you totally know WHY they are poor....like my mom's patient who didn't have a place to live, but went out and bought a purebred dog at the pet store. There IS a percentage of idoit people and dependant people.....but they would be like that even WITHOUT welfare....
Btw Katrina came with enough warning time to WALK out of New Orleans.
And where would they have gone? Virtually ALL of the people in NO were people who had NO means whatsoever to flee to other places!
 
deafdyke said:
And where would they have gone? Virtually ALL of the people in NO were people who had NO means whatsoever to flee to other places!

This is where you rely on the people around you for support. How hard is it for someone to look in on the disabled or elderly? That is not what happened, but that is what should have happened.

I think apart of the problem, is that people have a "NIMBY (Not in my backyard)" atitude. We are all responsible. Somebody should have taken the time to make sure those people got out safely. If not the people themselves, then certainly a neighbor or a relative nearby.
 
Why blame Conservative?

The Mayor Nagin is democrat, he didn't act quickly.
The Governor, she waited 24 hours and then decide.

The Black people down there are mostly democrats
and they are the one raping, looting, killing and so forth...

Even the cops, most of them are democrats, some of them walked away from their job.

Those democrats know that most of the Blacks are poor, and they
should have provide buses.

And then the 34 old people died in Nursing Home, the Owners' last name
is a hispanic name.

Not only white that I don't trust, I don't even trust my own black people or anybody.
 
deafdyke said:
And where would they have gone? Virtually ALL of the people in NO were people who had NO means whatsoever to flee to other places!
They could have used the school buses to take them to shelters outside of the danger area, within the state.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
This is where you rely on the people around you for support. How hard is it for someone to look in on the disabled or elderly? ...
Right. If each "able" person/family would take it upon themselves to be responsible for even just one other elderly or disabled person, then everyone could be taken care of.

Each time there is a hurricane threat, I contact all my deaf friends to make sure they know what is happening. My Hubby and I take care of the elderly couple next door (without asking them because they would refuse; we just do it in a subtle but firm way). My daughter checks on her MIL and grandma-in-law. If I know of people in my neighborhood recently moved here from a non-hurricane area, I contact them and ask if they know how to prepare. The terp agency I work for makes arrangements for terps at the preparedness center and for TV broadcasts. Our church checks on the elderly and single ladies.

The mayor of Charleston has an established contract with the school bus company so that in case of emergency, he has the power to use the buses and drivers.
 
This is where you rely on the people around you for support. How hard is it for someone to look in on the disabled or elderly? That is not what happened, but that is what should have happened.

I think apart of the problem, is that people have a "NIMBY (Not in my backyard)" atitude. We are all responsible. Somebody should have taken the time to make sure those people got out safely. If not the people themselves, then certainly a neighbor or a relative nearby.
I'm willing to say that at least five to ten percent of the stranded population was of the welfare slacker type. I KNOW what those people are like....my mom works day in and day out with welfare slacker types.
BUT, what CC Sinned and Eve don't reconize is that welfare didn't MAKE those people....A lot of them are folks with what we might call developmental issues...they aren't MR but at the same time they aren't exactly "normal".....they don't have the self help skills to function in day to day life. So, as a result they make really bad choices...does that make any sense? They don't have the normal friends....and they may be offspring of families that are just as badly off as they are.
It's like they freak out and don't know what to do...make sense?
Most of the Katrina victims probaly didn't HAVE access to a car....I mean when you live in a city, you don't desperately need one, especially if you're poor.
Yes, there are dumbass slackers.....but so what?
 
There are too many back-to-work programs available now. Problem is most of these people would rather not work. It is so much easier to blame the government for their problems than take responsibility for their own lot in life.
WRONG! Goverment stats say that MOST welfare recipiants are on it as a TRANSITORY thing. Very few folks are on it as a chronic thing.....and a LOT of those folks just don't have the skills nessary to function without it.
Seriously....."I'm gonna be on welfare forever when even MINIMUM wages jobs pay more?"
 
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