jillio
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Yep.
The sun and the earth... on cued speech
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And from the OP in the thread "Stimulation of Communication"
Cued speech facilitates oral communication and permits the deaf child access to a fully structured linguistic model. This notion of model is fundamental:
it implies the child’s capacity to memorize linguistic elements in their correct form (lexical and syntactic). In the very principles of its conception, cued
speech renders visible the syllabic organization of our linguistic system. Several recent studies emphasize the importance of the syllable as the basic
unit of speech, perceived even by hearing babies as early as 3–4 months. A deaf baby who receives cued speech develops this skill as well. Little by
little, he attaches meaning to the hand configurations and even reproduces some of these cues to name and evoke things. In the same way, the child
develops a stock of vocabulary words.
Cued speech facilitates oral communication and permits the deaf child access to a fully structured linguistic model. This notion of model is fundamental:
it implies the child’s capacity to memorize linguistic elements in their correct form (lexical and syntactic). In the very principles of its conception, cued
speech renders visible the syllabic organization of our linguistic system. Several recent studies emphasize the importance of the syllable as the basic
unit of speech, perceived even by hearing babies as early as 3–4 months. A deaf baby who receives cued speech develops this skill as well. Little by
little, he attaches meaning to the hand configurations and even reproduces some of these cues to name and evoke things. In the same way, the child
develops a stock of vocabulary words.
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Has CS been proved to be a language by itself? Even u admitted that it is not a language. It was intentionally invented as a TEACHING tool.
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Aww geez! Jillo said it is useful as a teaching tool so that doesnt mean she has said that nobody has benefitted from it. You are only good for two things...twisting people's words around and calling ADers names.
Reba - Yes. It obviously varies between child and family, but a ball park figure would be between 9 and 18 months. Affectionately named "Baby Cues", amongest cuers.
deafdyke - No it isn't basically that, it is muti-model, multi-sensory system.
jillio - are you suggesting that knowing CS and removing the ambiguity of speech reading is a uselss skill for deaf/hoh/hearing people to have? Improving the understanding of the spoken word by knowing CS is also a useless skill for deaf/hoh/hearing people to have for you?
flip - There are portions that I would agree with. There is aslo semantics that come into play. I would be happy to further this discussion in private with you. Your choice.
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You saw the children and parents communicating with each other using only cued speech?
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But why hasnt it worked for ALL deaf/hoh children? Some other aders in another thread about CS said they tried learning it as kids but it was too hard for them while others said it helped them.
If a person can bother to go to classes and learn CS to help
their deaf child, why can't they learn enough ASL to get them
through the time of birth until the age when they can be implanted?
It just doesn't make any sense to me to keep an infant in such
isolation for a minimum of six months. It seems that the CI
professionals are training parents to be abusive, by keeping
their deaf infant in isolation for so long. Many other practices
are considered abusive by some doctors, (like not getting
vacinations). What if I decided to place a blind fold over my
newborns eyes because she was to young to get fitted for
glasses? I think I'll ignore her need for visual stimulus until
she's 6 months or so and then get her tested for real glasses.
Boy then I'll have a really accurate diagnoses and proffesionals
to work with me. Does that make any sense?
their deaf child, why can't they learn enough ASL to get them
through the time of birth until the age when they can be implanted?
It just doesn't make any sense to me to keep an infant in such
isolation for a minimum of six months. It seems that the CI
professionals are training parents to be abusive, by keeping
their deaf infant in isolation for so long. Many other practices
are considered abusive by some doctors, (like not getting
vacinations). What if I decided to place a blind fold over my
newborns eyes because she was to young to get fitted for
glasses? I think I'll ignore her need for visual stimulus until
she's 6 months or so and then get her tested for real glasses.
Boy then I'll have a really accurate diagnoses and proffesionals
to work with me. Does that make any sense?
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Where does isolation of the child come in.? If the parent learns CS or ASl.... isolation is prevented.
Why should anyone learn ASL if there's a good alternative?
Learning to cue: 20 hours and one can cue any word in the dictionary and cue sentenses. Slow, but any word can be cued
ASL... 20 hours to start something basic words. Forget sentenses.
So, CS would be an addition to already known language. ASL would be starting a new language.
CS would give parents the ability to start communication straight away, without having to learn a new language.
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I agree with u. This is how I see it...
Hearing children are not subjected to different approaches or systems. Nobody would dare to deny hearing children full access to language. However, deaf children are subjected to different kinds of approaches putting their language development at risk. I dont understand why, if ASL has been proven to be a language of its own that is fully accessible to deaf/hoh children, deny them ASL. Why are all these different MCE systems being invented for deaf children? I have never heard of ASL causing language delays in deaf children sooo what is the problem?
I believe that CS is helpful as a teaching tool just like phonics is helpful for hearing children as a teaching tool.
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Yet, it hasnt proved to work for all deaf children according to the thread about CS where ADers shared their experiences with CS. Even the teacher who works with me who used to work in a CS program said that it benefits SOME but not all. That puts us in another position of taking the risk with deaf children's language development if it is not able to work for all just like with the strictly oral-only philosophy.
It is up to people who want to take that risk with their children. If those methods dont work for some of these children, it is the children who have to pay the price for it.
Another game of russian roulette, where the player do not risk their lives, just their child.
No need for that, I understand your viewpoint, and the one in the article. I am just puzzled that Cloggy post an article with claims going against some of yours, and you two don't dicuss this. But I guess it perhaps is due to Cloggys habit of posting articles that he himself don't understand..
fredfam- When a hearing parent learns to cue they already know the language, they simply need to learn the system of Cued Speech. This is not the case as you are aware with ASL. Learning a new language is a difficult process for an older person even if it is "just for fun".