The Root Of The Cochlear Implant Debate "cyborgs"

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C-NICE said:
After much thought on the CI debate. I have come to the conclusion that the root is Humans becoming Cyborg & the implications of that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg
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its more then that, and if you read the works i have recomended you will know that.

our resistance is not to the technology per se, (we are not opposed to the actual device, if one could actually address them in a vacuum), it is the combined system that pushes it into our babies heads, as close to birth as they possibly can, and the system that that keeps Deaf children away from other Deaf children so that they "do not revert back to being Deaf" and the active DENYING of sign language acquisition to those very Deaf colonized. to qoute vaente-

Vaente-cyborgization-: " said:
"I use the term phonocentric colonialism to refer to the invasion of unruly, young deaf bodies that attempt to eradicate deafness
and, by extension, Deaf culture and ASL, replacing these bodies with hearingness
It is a form of colonialism that exploits young deaf children through hyper capitalist and neoliberal structures. These structures (e.g., medical, rehabilitative, educational, business, etc.) work to normalize deaf bodies and further “self-sufficiency” discourses that only perpetuate the cycle of dependence on audist colonists. This is not a colonialism of land conquest but instead a colonizing of young deaf bodies and minds
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we are opposed then to what is termed phonocentric colonialism. CI is the manifestation in technological form of its "fourth phase" it is not humans becoming cyborg, it is Deaf being assimilated into "hearies"

thats the issue
 
The CI works best when the brain is most salable (Just a medical fact). It is not pushing to communicate that fact to parents (Since testing is at birth these days).
 
C-NICE said:
The CI works best when the brain is most salable (Just a medical fact). It is not pushing to communicate that fact to parents (Since testing is at birth these days).
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if your going to address my posts or my statements pls qoute my actual statements and posts thank you. its only polite.
 
Is It not colonization to insist that these parents reject the CI out of hand at diagnosis without any consideration?
 
The CI does not make a deaf child a hearie. It just provide a simulated sense of hearing and access to sound. Dr. Michael Charest write about this in his book "Rebuilt". Read it from cover to cover.
 
C-NICE said:
Is It not colonization to insist that these parents reject the CI out of hand at diagnosis without any consideration?
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not at all.
being in your natural state is not a form of colonization, its actually opposite to the very definition of colonization and colonialism
pls if you're going to make statements and conclusions about an entire culture and their views ie resistance, at least become familiar with the literature of the field.
i know and understand your not sincere in thi,s, so my statements are mainly for others reading. that are sincere.
 
C-NICE said:
The CI does not make a deaf child a hearie. It just provide a simulated sense of hearing and access to sound. Dr. Michael Charest write about this in his book "Rebuilt". Read it from cover to cover.
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indeed and no place did i or the works i cited ever claim such.
so pls..
if your going to make wild claims about us at least become familiar with the literature. thnk you
 
Dr. Michael Chorost. (Correction}. Have you read any of his works?
 
C-NICE said:
Dr. Michael Chorost. (Correction}. Have you read any of his works?
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no i have i not, its on the way down below lists along side other stuff one day ill get too im sure..
 
is this going to be a dick measuring contest of who read more?
 
Is it your contention that the access to sound in a deaf child is automatically of no use to that child? ASL only limits the child to the deaf world. Which I grant you maybe a very comfortable cocoon. I just feel it is a cocoon just the same.
 
C-NICE said:
Is it your contention that the access to sound in a deaf child is automatically of no use to that child? ASL only limits the child to the deaf world. Which I grant you maybe a very comfortable cocoon. I just feel it is a cocoon just the same.
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NOT at all. and NO ASL does not limit the Deaf child to the Deaf world, it actually frees them from imposed isolation, you are in NO position to make any statements about us period.
you don't know our language, you don't know our culture, you have no clue really about us at all so..
what you think regarding our "cocoon" is close to irrelevant.
 
I just asked you a question. Dr. Chorost has written extensively about his one experience and the CIs implications. I asked a question and that is it!
 
C-NICE said:
I just asked you a question. Dr. Chorost has written extensively about his one experience and the CIs implications. I asked a question and that is it!
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and i answered it...
 
Again the bank teller, the take out guy & the boss may not sign. I guess music for one has no appeal? By the way how do you know what I may happen to know about ASL?
 
Since you have not read Dr. Chorost work: How can you evaluate it?
 
C-NICE said:
Since you have not read Dr. Chorost work: How can you evaluate it?
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ive never moved nor have i ever suggested that i evaluate it. it has no bearing on our opposition to phonocentric colonialism and assimilation.
thus its low down the grinder for me, but since i'm a rather ferocious book worm im sure ill get to it in no time..
before you ask me another question alas, perhaps rather then ask me question after question after question try instead to address the actual issues formulated..
 
C-NICE said:
Again the bank teller, the take out guy & the boss may not sign. I guess music for one has no appeal? By the way how do you know what I may happen to know about ASL?
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from your statements on here since we have discussions. thats how
 
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