The Origins of Homosexuality

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sallylou said:
Regulations aren't laws. Congress passes laws. Agencies pass regulations based on laws. Regulations are great bedtime reading.

My dad was a WWII hero. He and all of my uncles were in the Army Airforce. I have respect for those guys. Not just someone that enjoys ordering people around.
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Sorry. I am usually military think. I have only been a "civilian" 19 years. Soon I will get it right. :lol:
 
I get the military terms mixed up. The guys in the corps always hated me. I really didn't mean any offense.
 
WW II

My dad: Army Air Corps
His brother: Marines
His brother: Army
His brother: Army

My mom's:
Brother: Navy
Brother: Navy Seebee
Brother: Army

WW I

My grandfather: Army

Civil War

My great-grandfather: Army
(wounded in battle)

All made it back. My dad was a navigator on a C-47 in Burma. Graduated from the 8th grade.
 
sallylou said:
Regulations aren't laws. Congress passes laws. Agencies pass regulations based on laws. Regulations are great bedtime reading.

My dad was a WWII hero. He and all of my uncles were in the Army Airforce. I have respect for those guys. Not just someone that enjoys ordering people around.
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TinCanSailor said:
Sorry. I am usually military think. I have only been a "civilian" 19 years. Soon I will get it right. :lol:
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Actually TCS is correct....The USMJ which he mentioned (post 867) is law.

Uniform Code of Military Justice: Military Legal Resources (Federal Research Division: Customized Research and Analytical Services, Library of Congress)

The UCMJ is a federal law enacted by Congress; it may be cited as United States Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part II, Chapter 47
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Jiro said:
it only applies to USMJ which is not applicable in civilian court. USMJ is a [federal] "law" because military "works" for federal government. federal government (Congress) sets the rules which is a law for USMJ

:dizzy:
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Yeah....yeah I am well aware of that... :ugh2:
 
TinCanSailor said:
WW II

My dad: Army Air Corps
His brother: Marines
His brother: Army
His brother: Army

My mom's:
Brother: Navy
Brother: Navy Seebee
Brother: Army

WW I

My grandfather: Army

Civil War

My great-grandfather: Army
(wounded in battle)

All made it back. My dad was a navigator on a C-47 in Burma. Graduated from the 8th grade.
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What a rich military history you have!
My great-Uncle on one of the Pacific islands while in the Army. (killed, shot in the back by a Japanese sniper).

Pvt William P. Stone. He died at age 94 in 1938. He was 19 yrs old when he enlisted as a confederate soldier in 1862. He was twice wounded, once at Murfreesboro & then at Chicamauga. After recovering from wounds received in the Battle of Murfreesboro, Private William Pitchford Stone was wounded a second time in one of the bloodiest battles of the western region of the civil war. He fought with distinction under the command of Confederate General Braxton Bragg and was recently honored by the Daughters of the Confederacy in a grave-side ceremony in Oregon, where he is buried. He spent some years in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas and Oklahoma before retiring in Oregon. He was one of very few oldest surviving civil war veterans back then. The last surviving civil war veteran died in 1959.
William Pitchford Stone
 
TXgolfer said:
Yeah....yeah I am well aware of that... :ugh2:
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Boys, boys. Play nice now. :ty:

UCMJ Article 134 was my favorite because if you could not charge someone with a specific offense article. 134 covered everything else in life! Can't do that in U.S. court system.
 
TinCanSailor said:
Boys, boys. Play nice now. :ty:

UCMJ Article 134 was my favorite because if you could not charge someone with a specific offense article. 134 covered everything else in life! Can't do that in U.S. court system.
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lol wow. just read up on it. interesting piece.
 
TinCanSailor said:
Boys, boys. Play nice now. :ty:

UCMJ Article 134 was my favorite because if you could not charge someone with a specific offense article. 134 covered everything else in life! Can't do that in U.S. court system.
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That would sure make things interesting. :lol:
 
sallylou said:
I hear plenty of criticism. Especially since Obama said he would close Gitmo and he didn't.
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Me, too.:dunno2: But it seems like around here, if you aren't calling for Obama's death, you aren't criticizing.
 
TinCanSailor said:
The military runs on regulations. They are written down, copied, distributed, cataloged. Everything that you do is laid out in extreme detail. Each department, command, staff, company, etc. does it and each senior command conducts routine inspections of all regulations and commands under them. All levels of command eventually end up to the Pentagon level. Then the JCS report to the existing civilian levels right up to the President.

When a military leader approves a plan of attack for instance, he/she must get permission sighting regulation ###### or approved OPLAN (Operational Plan)#####.

Submarine commanders cannot fire upon any country just because he wants to. He gets permission.

Air Force bases cannot launch aircraft loaded with weapons against others without permission, etc.

So when a senior member of the armed forces starts "indoctrinating" his subordinates. No mater what it is. If it is not ordered by regulation and approved by higher authority, it is illegal and should be reported. I have seen many a service member punished under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) for violating a written regulation or order. Others punished for making something up. Being the Legal Yeoman of many commands might have giving me insight. Talk back to your boss, leave your assigned work space without an ok, fail to complete an assigned task can get you confined with 3 days of bread and water only or worse.

For you to insinuate that we "Reba and I" after 45 years of combined military service don't know what we are talking about is laughable. :laugh2:

When President Obama ordered the "go" to take out pirates to save that American ship captain, it was written regulations that required his permission based upon the circumstance. The CO of that ship received a written order or confirmed radio transmission to make it happen.

If returning service members are saying stuff that is made up, it is them who are stirring up trouble. If it is true, it is their duty to report it to make it known.

And as an aside, yes there are more PTSD cases than in the past due to the long deployments under hostile conditions.
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There were just as many PTSD cases in WWI and WWII. They just did not call it PTSD at that tme.

Oh, yeah. These vets are making it up. Nice loyalties to the men that have served on the front lines. The VA hospitals are full of men who are making this stuff up. To what end?

Forty five years of military service just tells me what your mind set is at this point in time. Protect the name of the military, and sacrifice the men.
 
jillio said:
There were just as many PTSD cases in WWI and WWII. They just did not call it PTSD at that tme.

Oh, yeah. These vets are making it up. Nice loyalties to the men that have served on the front lines. The VA hospitals are full of men who are making this stuff up. To what end?
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I'll say. My dad was a medic in the Air Force during the Koran war though he never fought on the front lines..
 
TinCanSailor said:
I just had to add this one from last week:

CO USS Ponce, Commander Jones failed to report and take proper corrective action for hazing and for poor judgment during a security drill where she endangered two sailors with a loaded...weapon. Upon conclusion of the Mast, [her superior] relieved CDR Jones of her command due to loss of confidence stemming from the aforementioned Mast, unprofessional conduct, rendering her chain-of-command largely ineffective by marginalizing her senior leaders and displaying blatant favoritism to select junior officers, and for cultivating a hostile work environment permeated by verbal abuse, fear, and intimidation.

She was the replacement for Captain Graf I just mentioned. So sad: :(
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What does that have to do with soldiers being trained to demonize and dehumanize the "enemy"?
 
TXgolfer said:
Ya know, perhaps Bush had more time to visit injured vets since he gave up golf once the war started. Those rounds Obama has played so far amount to 600 hours he could have spent with vets. *shrug*

At least he raced from the golf course to watch OBL get taken out,
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Riiiiight. Finished up the job Bush couldn't do.

You might want to keep in mind that Bush's policies had VA hospitals throwing sick and injured men out on the streets.
 
I think I have heard about Commander Jones but I am also at loss as what it has to do with soldiers being trained to demonize and dehumanize the enemy.
 
deafskeptic said:
I'll say. My dad was a medic in the Air Force during the Koran war though he never fought on the front lines..
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Exactly. All this romanticizing and claiming honorable and only honorable actions during war is just more evidence of the indoctrination process.

My father fought in WWII, My deceased husband the Korean War, and several family members and friends in VietNam. It was not romantic, and they will all suffer the consequences the rest of their lives. At least they are wise enough to understand what was done to them to get them to kill. The ones that don't grasp it are the ones that are still dangerous.
 
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