The Origins of Homosexuality

[Sunshine]

You provide any test, any test at all, that proves homosexuality is NOT biologically created. You provide any test, any test at all that proves homosexuality is a choice.

You tie her to chair, throw her in lake, if she live, she witch. This prove it.

Oh wait...

 

[jillio]

You tie her to chair, throw her in lake, if she live, she witch. This prove it.

Oh wait...

So, if we tie rolling7 to a chair, throw him the the lake, and he lives, he is a heterosexual.:P


Wait..... I knew it!

 

[rolling7]

Queen of Deflect!

 

[jillio]

Queen of Deflect!

King of Ignorance.

 

[Sunshine]

Hey, I deflect this one, not jillio. Sheesh.

 

[rolling7]

How do you feel a about the King of Ignorant exposing you as an imposter and fraud?

 

[jillio]

How do you feel a about the King of Ignorant exposing you as an imposter and fraud?

When he manages to do it, let me know. The only thing he has managed to expose to date is his own bigotry and ignorance.

 

[FireTiger]

...children, now now... name calling is not nice and may turn someone into a serial killer ... or maybe make them think about their sexuality!!!

Oh wait- sexuality would be on topic...

Someone wanted a list of Chromosome test... it's usually just called... a chromosome test- the difference being how the samples are taken... in HS we did a chromosomal assay on ourselves before the school board got all bent out of shape about bio-hazards and stuff...

Common Tests During Pregnancy

These can detect specific chromosomal issues... but the point of the biology I already posted was this...

The superficial determination of sex can be 'overturned' by having the -actual- sex solved by checking for chromosomal mismatches, androgen issues, and deletions of the long arm of the 'y' etc...

WHO | Gender and Genetics

WHO | Gender and Genetics

Included above is reference to an instance of male->female surgical transgender that was 'chromosomal sex abnormal male' (other research, requires a subscription you -may- find it somewhere I had access at my previous job)

 

[jillio]

...children, now now... name calling is not nice and may turn someone into a serial killer ... or maybe make them think about their sexuality!!!

Oh wait- sexuality would be on topic...

Someone wanted a list of Chromosome test... it's usually just called... a chromosome test- the difference being how the samples are taken... in HS we did a chromosomal assay on ourselves before the school board got all bent out of shape about bio-hazards and stuff...

Common Tests During Pregnancy

These can detect specific chromosomal issues... but the point of the biology I already posted was this...

The superficial determination of sex can be 'overturned' by having the -actual- sex solved by checking for chromosomal mismatches, androgen issues, and deletions of the long arm of the 'y' etc...

WHO | Gender and Genetics

WHO | Gender and Genetics

Included above is reference to an instance of male->female surgical transgender that was 'chromosomal sex abnormal male' (other research, requires a subscription you -may- find it somewhere I had access at my previous job)

Exactly. Names of tests have been provided throughout this thread and others. Maybe he's looking for something like "First Response Pregnancy Test." The last I checked, the labs don't use brand names , and the ICD codes don't have a number for brand names like that.

 

[rolling7]

...children, now now... name calling is not nice and may turn someone into a serial killer ... or maybe make them think about their sexuality!!!

Oh wait- sexuality would be on topic...

Someone wanted a list of Chromosome test... it's usually just called... a chromosome test- the difference being how the samples are taken... in HS we did a chromosomal assay on ourselves before the school board got all bent out of shape about bio-hazards and stuff...

Common Tests During Pregnancy

These can detect specific chromosomal issues... but the point of the biology I already posted was this...



The superficial determination of sex can be 'overturned' by having the -actual- sex solved by checking for chromosomal mismatches, androgen issues, and deletions of the long arm of the 'y' etc...

WHO | Gender and Genetics

WHO | Gender and Genetics

Included above is reference to an instance of male->female surgical transgender that was 'chromosomal sex abnormal male' (other research, requires a subscription you -may- find it somewhere I had access at my previous job)

Thanks FireTiger, these are test for boy or girl and, in some cases abnormalities.
But they are NOT accredited acceptable test to prove a person is born (whatever).
So the doctor comes into the room and says: "Congratulation you have a newborn boy/girl" (whichever the case may be) but sometimes he'll say: "You had a boy/girl but we found a problem and need to run test to be sure." (for an abnormality)
The doctor never walks in and says: "Congratulation you have a straight boy/girl". Nor does he say: "Congratulation you have a gay boy/ lesbian girl." That is because the doctor knows he can't run a non-existing test to prove himself correct.

 

[FireTiger]

Thanks FireTiger, these are test for boy or girl and, in some cases abnormalities.
But they are NOT accredited acceptable test to prove a person is born (whatever).
So the doctor comes into the room and says: "Congratulation you have a newborn boy/girl" (whichever the case may be) but sometimes he'll say: "You had a boy/girl but we found a problem and need to run test to be sure." (for an abnormality)
The doctor never walks in and says: "Congratulation you have a straight boy/girl". Nor does he say: "Congratulation you have a gay boy/ lesbian girl." That is because the doctor knows he can't run a non-existing test to prove himself correct.

OK, now we can get somewhere- there's no way to know if someone will be naturally attracted to plants, males, females, other, or none of the above based on a current test.

That's not even -what- the doctors are looking for, there is not ETHICAL reason to do so... ((as some people are so homophobic that harm -may- come to said child))

However the point being made is simple:

Someone that has the phenotype of one sex but genotype of the other sex will not actually be "homosexual" as they attracted to who there genes dictate.

If genetics can control the hormones that cause attraction
Then what society/or statistics decides is abnormal chromosomes can cause what appears to be 'abnormal' attraction... (which is chromosomal normal attraction)
Therefore some cases of homosexuality are mislabeled based on the appearance of external sex parts.

Based on this chain of logic that some people are 'innocent' of homosexuality, (that is they are naturally attracted to the sex the genes tell them) everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt w/o being subjected to chromosomal assays.

 

[rolling7]

Thank you FireTiger for your post and I do totally agree with you. My whole point was to explain there is a limit to what a doctor can tell about a person. Yes, there are all kinds of test that can be used for different situations, some reliable some not, some accredited some not, some accepted some not. Again you are right that, at birth, a doctor only runs necessary test on a baby, cost and ethics play a role. Knowing parents have a concern about their baby, perhaps the doctor will use a test that will relieve their concern. However, a doctor should never mis-led parents to think there is a test for any reason where their concern can not be determined (example: height, weight, personality).

As I've said here before, there is no test to prove I, rolling7, was born straight, bi, gay, etc. But there are test that can say I was born male, white, etc.

 

[jillio]

Thanks FireTiger, these are test for boy or girl and, in some cases abnormalities.
But they are NOT accredited acceptable test to prove a person is born (whatever).
So the doctor comes into the room and says: "Congratulation you have a newborn boy/girl" (whichever the case may be) but sometimes he'll say: "You had a boy/girl but we found a problem and need to run test to be sure." (for an abnormality)
The doctor never walks in and says: "Congratulation you have a straight boy/girl". Nor does he say: "Congratulation you have a gay boy/ lesbian girl." That is because the doctor knows he can't run a non-existing test to prove himself correct.

A newborn does not manifest sexual attraction. Therefore, all of the implications of chromosomal and genetic differences do not become evident at birth. The difference only becomes evident through behavioral manifestation.

My God, man. Think!

 

[jillio]

Thank you FireTiger for your post and I do totally agree with you. My whole point was to explain there is a limit to what a doctor can tell about a person. Yes, there are all kinds of test that can be used for different situations, some reliable some not, some accredited some not, some accepted some not. Again you are right that, at birth, a doctor only runs necessary test on a baby, cost and ethics play a role. Knowing parents have a concern about their baby, perhaps the doctor will use a test that will relieve their concern. However, a doctor should never mis-led parents to think there is a test for any reason where their concern can not be determined (example: height, weight, personality).

As I've said here before, there is no test to prove I, rolling7, was born straight, bi, gay, etc. But there are test that can say I was born male, white, etc.

You didn't understand a thing FireTiger said, did you? You just agreed to the evidence that homosexuality is not a choice and that there is scientific evidence of biological differences.

If you can't prove you were born straight, you can't prove you weren't either. Therefore, you cannot prove that hpomosexuality is a choice, as you claim. However, there are scientific consistencies that apply to heterosexual type sexual behaviors and there are scientifics consistencies that apply to homosexual type sexual behaviors.

 

[rolling7]

Post my post where I said homosexuallity was a choice.
Everyone else, don't waste your time because there ain't one.

 

[Reba]

...If you can't prove you were born straight, you can't prove you weren't either....

Therefor, one cannot prove that any people are born homosexual.

So the biological cause of homosexuality in humans is unproven.

If it's not biological, then there must be another cause.

 

[Sunshine]

Unproven does not equal not the cause, Reba.

 

[jillio]

Post my post where I said homosexuallity was a choice.
Everyone else, don't waste your time because there ain't one.

Because it is a choice. The biological construct you speak of is the work of Mother Nature. While anyone and everyone is free to do otherwise, Mother Nature made the P to fit into V and nowhere else.

Ask and you shall receive. This is the first post you made in this thread. I believe it is post #3.

Took me all of 4 seconds to find it.

 

[jillio]

Therefor, one cannot prove that any people are born homosexual.

So the biological cause of homosexuality in humans is unproven.

If it's not biological, then there must be another cause.

A preponderance of the scientific evidence points toward that direction. There is more to indicate that it is a biological construct than to indicate that it isn't. The whole majority thing, you know.

 

[rolling7]

Because it is a choice. The biological construct you speak of is the work of Mother Nature. While anyone and everyone is free to do otherwise, Mother Nature made the P to fit into V and nowhere else.

Ask and you shall receive. This is the first post you made in this thread. I believe it is post #3.

Took me all of 4 seconds to find it.

You are probably refering to post #5, so you are still wrong.
The OP stated "biological construct" as if what a specific body part is used as. I've stated here that we all use different body parts for what Mother Nature did NOT intend that specific body part to be used for. Therefore, it a choice that people do go against Mother Nature.