The End of Gangs

[Foxrac]

Hello y'all, it is really long article but I'm going put some quotes that are very interesting about RICO that kill the street gangs and LA neighborhoods are improving after street gangs became more sparse or disappearing.

I believe that will improving more further if California repeal gun control laws and make this state as more gun-friendly, such as shall issue or constitutional carry, also mandate all students at public school to learn about responsibility of firearm and self-defense.

I'm going put a quote below.

Some of this is a state and national story, as violent crime declined by about 16 percent in both California and the nation from 2008 through 2012. But the decline has been steeper in many gang-plagued cities: 26 percent in Oxnard, 28 percent in Riverside, 30 percent in Compton, 30 percent in Pasadena, 30 percent in Montebello, 50 percent in Bell Gardens, 50 percent in El Monte.

Santa Ana once counted 70-plus homicides a year, many of them gang-related. That’s down to 15 so far in 2014, even as Santa Ana remains one of the densest, youngest, and poorest big cities in California. “Before, they were into turf,” says Detective Jeff Launi, a longtime Santa Ana Police gang investigator. “They’re still doing it, but now they’re more interested in making money.”

No place feels so changed as the city of Los Angeles. In 2014, the Los Angeles Police Department announced that gang crime had dropped by nearly half since 2008. In 2012, L.A. had fewer total homicides (299) citywide than it had gang homicides alone in 2002 (350) and in 1992 (430). For the most part, Latino gang members no longer attack blacks in ways reminiscent of the Jim Crow South. Nor are gangs carjacking, assaulting, robbing, or in a dozen other ways blighting their own neighborhoods. Between 2003 and 2013, gang-related robberies in the city fell from 3,274 to 1,021; gang assaults from 3,063 to 1,611; and carjackings, a classic L.A. gang crime born during the heyday of crack, from 211 to 33.

This has amounted to an enormous tax cut for once-beleaguered working class neighborhoods. Stores are untagged, walls unscarred. Graffiti, which sparked gang wars for years, is almost immediately covered up. Once-notorious parks—El Salvador Park in Santa Ana, Smith Park in San Gabriel, Bordwell Park in Riverside are a few examples—are now safe places for families.

When Bratton brought CompStat to the LAPD, it showed commanders where to deploy resources, and it meant the police, and especially division captains, could be evaluated according to reductions in crime in their territory. To fight chronic understaffing at the LAPD, Bratton lobbied for more hiring. Under mayors Richard Riordan and Jim Hahn, the LAPD had grown to 9,000 officers. Bratton and mayor Antonio Villaraigosa took it to 10,000.

For years, the term community policing had enjoyed popularity as a buzzword without translating into major changes on the streets of Los Angeles. But while the department had been taking cautious steps toward getting officers out of their cars and regularly patrolling beats on foot, things sped up under Bratton.

Community policing changed the job description of every LAPD officer, but perhaps none more so than that of the division commander—Captain III. Under the new philosophy, an LAPD Captain III became a community organizer, half politician and half police manager, rousing neighbors and fixing the broken windows. Captains even began to lobby the city for services—street sweeping and tree trimming—that had nothing to do with law enforcement, transforming themselves into a miniature city government for neighbors who didn’t know who to call. They started to recognize that bringing crime rates down—their ticket to promotion—could happen only through alliances with the community. So Captain IIIs began to spend much of their time among pastors, librarians, merchants, and school principals. “We can’t arrest our way out of the problem” became their startling new mantra.

The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statute was enacted by Congress in 1970 and best known for its use against Italian Mafia dons. But the RICO statute had also been used a couple of times in Los Angeles in the 1990s to go after the Mexican Mafia, a notorious California prison gang that had extended its influence to the streets, where it controlled the activities of Southern California Latino gang members.

RICO cases also required interagency cooperation—federal budgets and wiretapping capabilities with local cops’ knowledge. Federal prosecutors and district attorneys began meeting, sharing information, and putting aside old turf rivalries. Today, federal agents and local police officers routinely work together on cases. On the day of arrests, officials—local cops, sheriffs, agents from the DEA, FBI, IRS, and others—will spend several minutes of a half-hour press conference recognizing one another’s cooperation.

Prosecuting street gangs has meant abandoning the previous focus on kingpins. “‘Cut off the head and body dies’ just isn’t true” when it comes to Southern California street gangs, says Brunwin. “You have to go after everyone—anyone who had anything to do with, supported, or touched the organization. You have to have an effect on the structure, its daily operation. The only thing that works is adopting a scorched-Earth policy.”

Since 2006, there have been more than two dozen RICO indictments in Southern California, targeting Florencia 13, Hawaiian Gardens (HG-13), Azusa 13, Five-Deuce Broadway Gangster Crips, Pueblo Bishop Bloods, and many more of the region’s most entrenched and violent gangs. Most of the indictments have dozens of defendants; the Florencia case had 102, while Hawaiian Gardens, in 2009, was one of the largest street-gang indictments in U.S. history, with 147. Some of these indictments once provided news fodder for days. Now they’re so common that they no longer earn the Los Angeles Times’ front page. A recent RICO indictment against 41 members of the El Monte Flores gang, detailing alleged extortion, drug taxation, and race-hate crimes dating back more than a decade, didn’t even warrant a press conference.

Most of the Southern California RICO prosecutions have instead swept up large numbers of street gang members. Leaders of prison gangs like the Mexican Mafia usually aren’t even charged in these prosecutions, and are referred to as “unindicted co-conspirators.”

“In prosecuting the members, you make [prison-gang leaders] powerless,” Brunwin says. “If no one’s out there on the street doing their work, then they’re just guys in cells.”

Southern California RICO cases have sent large numbers of street-gang soldiers to prisons in places like Arkansas or Indiana, where no girlfriend is coming to visit. In California prisons, inmates usually serve only half their time before getting out on parole, but federal prison sentences are long and provide for no parole.

o my eye, the effects of most RICO prosecutions against Southern California gangs have been dramatic, as if a series of anthills had been not just disturbed but dug up whole. Hawaiian Gardens has seen a 50 percent in drop in violent crime since the prosecutions of 2009. The neighborhoods that spawned Azusa 13 and Florencia 13 seem completely changed. I’ve seen similar post-RICO transformations across Southern California.

Meanwhile, Latino home-buyers have been replacing black populations in Inglewood, Compton, and South Central Los Angeles. Like many other migrant groups, blacks have moved out, to the Inland Empire, 50 miles east of downtown Los Angeles, or to Las Vegas, or to the South. Compton, the birthplace of gangster rap, was once 73 percent black and is now nearly 70 percent Latino. This has often meant that Latino gangs replaced black gangs, and, while that might seem like nothing more than one violent group displacing another, the central role of the Mexican Mafia has often made these newer gangs easier to prosecute.

I learned that RICO works very well to destroy the street gangs.

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[Lau2046]

I learned that RICO works very well to destroy the street gangs.

It doesn't actually, it's just plays a small part of their conviction. Once they're arrested, and many cases deported, they just sneak back into the country again and go about the same business. A repeal on the gun laws won't change that because law abiding gun owners aren't the problem - and politicians are just too stupid to make that connection. We need to enforce tougher immigration laws and tighten the boarders to start. We need to make it easier for gun owners to actually be able to carry and purchase guns for defensive purposes. We need law enforcement agencies, state, federal and local to work together. We need harder time for gang activity, especially where a weapon or violence is used. Most politicians in that state are idiots so they think the solution is just ban guns....no one is paying attention to the elephant in the room because it's not "politically correct"....

Laura

 

[Foxrac]

It doesn't actually, it's just plays a small part of their conviction. Once they're arrested, and many cases deported, they just sneak back into the country again and go about the same business. A repeal on the gun laws won't change that because law abiding gun owners aren't the problem - and politicians are just too stupid to make that connection. We need to enforce tougher immigration laws and tighten the boarders to start. We need to make it easier for gun owners to actually be able to carry and purchase guns for defensive purposes. We need law enforcement agencies, state, federal and local to work together. We need harder time for gang activity, especially where a weapon or violence is used. Most politicians in that state are idiots so they think the solution is just ban guns....no one is paying attention to the elephant in the room because it's not "politically correct"....

Laura

I don't believe that violent criminals will be deported until they finish the sentence and any gangs that associated with murder usually get a life sentence in prison, that where federal prisons don't have parole.

The problem with street gangs started a big problem in 1980s when we had large influx of immigrants from Latin America, also the congress gave amnesty to illegal immigrants in 1986, with Reagan signed into the law. The mistake about amnesty caused politicians, especially conservatives to oppose the amnesty due to mess in 1980s and 1990s.

LA metro and California have to clean up the mess that caused by street gangs and RICO is just better weapon to break the street gangs into piece, so we used RICO in 1970s and 1980s to break the Italian mobs away, so it does work for street gangs. I believe that Georgia used RICO to kill the Latino gangs in Atlanta metro, according to documentaries.

The immigration reform isn't going pass in the congress due to change in power for Senate, unless liberal politicians accept provision to secure the border only or combine with mass deportation. I only accept limited amnesty with financial penalties for immigrants who have PhD degree or professional careers (doctors, engineers, surgeons, programmers, etc).

 

[Frisky Feline]

oh boy hope so. My family and I try to make plans on coming to LA this summer.

 

[shel90]

Frisky, I went to LA several times in the 80s and 90s where gangs were everywhere and it was fine. You will be fine. LA is such a huge city and the gangs are in certain neighborhoods.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Frisky, I went to LA several times in the 80s and 90s where gangs were everywhere and it was fine. You will be fine. LA is such a huge city and the gangs are in certain neighborhoods.

Thats a great news. LOL Also, my bro in law lives there so he will leads us, and tell us where to go etc. I must see what he's doing his job as a concierge. lol

 

[Jiro]

oh boy hope so. My family and I try to make plans on coming to LA this summer.

oh don't worry. it's cleaned up now.

 

[Frisky Feline]

oh don't worry. it's cleaned up now.

worry is not the word i am looking for.

 

[Foxrac]

Thats a great news. LOL Also, my bro in law lives there so he will leads us, and tell us where to go etc. I must see what he's doing his job as a concierge. lol

Yes, the neighborhood around Gally used to be worst, but today, it is fine now.

 

[Grummer]

It doesn't actually, it's just plays a small part of their conviction. Once they're arrested, and many cases deported, they just sneak back into the country again and go about the same business. A repeal on the gun laws won't change that because law abiding gun owners aren't the problem - and politicians are just too stupid to make that connection. We need to enforce tougher immigration laws and tighten the boarders to start. We need to make it easier for gun owners to actually be able to carry and purchase guns for defensive purposes. We need law enforcement agencies, state, federal and local to work together. We need harder time for gang activity, especially where a weapon or violence is used. Most politicians in that state are idiots so they think the solution is just ban guns....no one is paying attention to the elephant in the room because it's not "politically correct"....

Laura

that's what I like when an American is showing brains, and not doing a nonsensical brown nosing on the media-hyped of gun-ban politics which is just stupid.
hope you have a good, safe celebration of the new year, see you more next year
Cheers,
Grum

 

[Lau2046]

I don't believe that violent criminals will be deported until they finish the sentence and any gangs that associated with murder usually get a life sentence in prison, that where federal prisons don't have parole. I only accept limited amnesty with financial penalties for immigrants who have PhD degree or professional careers (doctors, engineers, surgeons, programmers, etc).

It doesn't actually work that way and having worked in federal law enforcement, I know that first hand. We also don't give limited amnesty to upward mobility illegals. Those people much to everyone's shock actually obey the immigration laws. People in the jobs you mentioned are able to get Visas fairly easily because they have a highly desired or needed skill. I can't recall for the life of me even one story where engineers and surgeons, nurses were smuggled across the boarder.......

People who get amnesty are victims of sex crimes; they receive amnesty on the condition that they appear in court for the prosecution against the offenders. This is true also of people who worked for drug cartels that agree to turn against them in court. In drug cases, we may only agree to deport them and not press charges if they cooperate. In those cases, they get "paroled" in to testify and then sent back to their home country. The majority of illegals are not in stellar careers. Those we arrest from the gangs, their consulate petitions us to have them transferred to their home country to serve their sentence. They serve anywhere for a day or a month before they're free again. Guns don't have a single thing to do with this and RICO is in no way going to put a dent in the gang numbers. They're just as powerful behind bars and jail doesn't necessarily even hurt their business. The Italian mafia had a fall guy - the boss - the Russians, Asians, Latins, and terrorists, do not. With them, no one knows the boss, they just follow orders, so if they're arrested, the people at the top aren't affected.

 

[VacationGuy234]

It sounds great, but I don't see anything about cost in the article. If you are going to put everyone associated with an organization in prison or deport them, it's got to cost a lot. When you go to that level, it's just like the war on drugs which isn't exactly cost effective.

Some of the change in the article I think has more to do with with the location of money. Cyber crime is a lot more profitable than street crime. It's less visible too. And, those areas are also gentrifying. I'm guessing the crime is moving to cheaper areas.

It's good that we are breaking up illegal activity, but crime still does seem to be alive and well these days. It's just taking different forms.

 

[Foxrac]

It doesn't actually work that way and having worked in federal law enforcement, I know that first hand. We also don't give limited amnesty to upward mobility illegals. Those people much to everyone's shock actually obey the immigration laws. People in the jobs you mentioned are able to get Visas fairly easily because they have a highly desired or needed skill. I can't recall for the life of me even one story where engineers and surgeons, nurses were smuggled across the boarder.......

People who get amnesty are victims of sex crimes; they receive amnesty on the condition that they appear in court for the prosecution against the offenders. This is true also of people who worked for drug cartels that agree to turn against them in court. In drug cases, we may only agree to deport them and not press charges if they cooperate. In those cases, they get "paroled" in to testify and then sent back to their home country. The majority of illegals are not in stellar careers. Those we arrest from the gangs, their consulate petitions us to have them transferred to their home country to serve their sentence. They serve anywhere for a day or a month before they're free again. Guns don't have a single thing to do with this and RICO is in no way going to put a dent in the gang numbers. They're just as powerful behind bars and jail doesn't necessarily even hurt their business. The Italian mafia had a fall guy - the boss - the Russians, Asians, Latins, and terrorists, do not. With them, no one knows the boss, they just follow orders, so if they're arrested, the people at the top aren't affected.

I'm talking about children from illegal immigrant's families that where they went to college, all way to get master or PhD degree so I believe that they should get limited amnesty - it means the congress need to reform the immigration laws and we don't have enough doctors. I'm not talking about your agencies, but I just gave my opinion about reform the immigration laws.

Less gun control laws = less crime.

More gun control laws left law abiding citizens without any protection against criminals.

LA murder rate could go down more if they don't have gun control laws.

 

[Lau2046]

I'm talking about children from illegal immigrant's families that where they went to college, all way to get master or PhD degree so I believe that they should get limited amnesty

I don't; especially if their families broke the law getting into the country and then used our social services to care for the children they had here. We have citizens who can't catch a break from social services and receive no financial assistance. In some cases, children of illegals go to school for free while Americans who have lost their jobs and been evicted from their homes - receive nothing. People should obey the law and educate themselves because it's the right thing to do. You're not entitled to a free handout.

 

[Foxrac]

I don't; especially if their families broke the law getting into the country and then used our social services to care for the children they had here. We have citizens who can't catch a break from social services and receive no financial assistance. In some cases, children of illegals go to school for free while Americans who have lost their jobs and been evicted from their homes - receive nothing. People should obey the law and educate themselves because it's the right thing to do. You're not entitled to a free handout.

I don't believe it is children's fault if their parents brought to our country illegally and children have no idea about immigration laws, so their parents should be penalized, not children.

If children getting involved with gangs or thugs, so I have no sympathy for them and they should be removed from our country, or imprisoned if violent crime is involved.

I'm for good children who work hard and having a college education.

We don't have enough doctors so we need find way to recruit more doctors.

 

[Foxrac]

There are bunches of single mothers, especially white and black got free handout, so why targeting Latino families only? That's not make any sense.

Just saying.

 

[Foxrac]

that's what I like when an American is showing brains, and not doing a nonsensical brown nosing on the media-hyped of gun-ban politics which is just stupid.
hope you have a good, safe celebration of the new year, see you more next year
Cheers,
Grum

After saw various of your posts so you are showing me that you don't have brain, anyway.

 

[Grummer]

I don't; especially if their families broke the law getting into the country and then used our social services to care for the children they had here. We have citizens who can't catch a break from social services and receive no financial assistance. In some cases, children of illegals go to school for free while Americans who have lost their jobs and been evicted from their homes - receive nothing. People should obey the law and educate themselves because it's the right thing to do. You're not entitled to a free handout.

yes< but I do believe, the Americans who have lost their jobs should be entitled to assistance, and be on the first on the list... and somehow need to close loopholes which allowing illegals to get social services/education for free...that's just not on.....

basically i see Lau's point, acknowledge is valid points, but somewhere there's an inconsistent, as in so far citizens SHOULD be able to receive assistence, and no burn up insurance, raining day funds, bank accounts of their own....!! afterall they DID contribute to America's economy!...hell the rich should be the ones setting up 'corporates insurances/health insurance/education insurances' for their employees , to follow Japan's model of corporate welfare system.....

 

[Lau2046]

There are bunches of single mothers, especially white and black got free handout, so why targeting Latino families only? That's not make any sense.

Just saying.

I'm not targeting Latinos. I'm targeting illegals. So what if they happen to speak Spanish? You want to enjoy the freedoms of this country? Obey the laws and follow the rules like all applicants are expected to do - whether they speak Spanish or not....

 

[Foxrac]

yes< but I do believe, the Americans who have lost their jobs should be entitled to assistance, and be on the first on the list... and somehow need to close loopholes which allowing illegals to get social services/education for free...that's just not on.....

basically i see Lau's point, acknowledge is valid points, but somewhere there's an inconsistent, as in so far citizens SHOULD be able to receive assistence, and no burn up insurance, raining day funds, bank accounts of their own....!! afterall they DID contribute to America's economy!...hell the rich should be the ones setting up 'corporates insurances/health insurance/education insurances' for their employees , to follow Japan's model of corporate welfare system.....

By law, illegal immigrants aren't qualify for welfare programs and they don't have authentic documents to prove their identify, but some states allow welfare programs for illegal immigrants with state money. Our state doesn't give welfare programs to illegal immigrants, however, they got free public education due problem with federal government. I think it is best interest to educate the kids, regardless on immigration statuses and they should be deported as soon as possible if they found to be illegal immigrant.

Welfare programs for illegal immigrants are more of state issue.

Welfare programs in US are very limited and difficult to obtain due to limited funding, so many of us don't want to pay more taxes so welfare programs are limited for everyone.

I have no love for lazy citizens who are capable to work and some of them are advantaging of welfare programs, especially single mothers are of them.