The Death Penalty

[Cheri]

Supporting the death sentence is not about revenge, It is to punished criminals and to prevent them from committing the same crime. How many children, men, women have been murdered at the hands of repeated criminals?

Just because some Christians support the death sentence doesn't mean we are actually doing the killing.

"Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man" (Genesis 9:6).

It's the same thing as God forgives sin, but we still have to pay the penalty for it. It's all about justice.

 

[jillio]

There are several forms of justice. There is punitive justice, and there is retallitory justice. To ask for the life of another is not punitive, it is revenge. One must be alive to be punished.

 

[shel90]

I am not sure how I feel about the death Penalty. Before I was born, one of my mom's cousins was a victim of Ted Bundy and my great aunt's family used to be against the death penalty until the murder happened. I tried getting more information but the subject is just too taboo in the family. All I know is that my great aunt's family are strong supporters of the death penalty cuz of the murder.

I can say that I wouldnt be honest with myself if I came in here stating that I am either for or against it cuz I dont know what it is like to have someone close to me murdered. A part of me supports it cuz I would love to do away with all these people who commit these horrific acts on innocent people but then there is another part of me that cannot trust the justic system that each person being executed are truly guilty of the crimes they were found guilty of.

 

[Matilda]

At the same time, the prison systems where some are vacation resorts for criminals and training grounds for others also needs an overhaul. If nothing else, our highways need cleaning.

I'm for the death penalty, if 100% proven guilty. As Chase said, about the prisoners getting all the lurks and perks in jail when they should be doing hard labor every day! .... where has that all gone?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Oh right, like we don't care about the victims. Wrong, I do care for the victims. Although it doesn't mean I will support the concept of capital punishment. How is executing a person going to help the family and friends of the victim? The victim is still dead. A lot of them will still suffer long after the person is executed.

What about the people who were wrongfully convicted and executed?

It's not like you can just go, "whoops!" It's certainly not a little thing. Taking one's life should not be taken lightly. How are you going to make up for it? You can't substitute a soul with another to make up for it.

Sometimes, I wonder if Christians are following the values of Christians instead of the values of Christ.

Everybody who are in favour of capital punishment, can you please tell us why capital punishment is necessary even though it will cost you 3 times the cost of keeping a person in prison for life without parole?

PuyoPiyo's post
Have to agree with you, I don't support the death penatly just because I felt sorry for the murders, I do felt sorry for the victim ever more than the murder, but taking revenge against them seems doesn't goes right for me. I do think life sentence are enough for them.

The death penalty is not right punishment/"justice" but vengeance.

How can we teach that killing is wrong by show that kill as a punishment is right? If killing is wrong, then why is it okay for the government to kill? It makes no sense...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What does a life sentence "teach"?

Is it right to teach someone that killing is wrong by killing them? Can you explain how can we teach that killing is wrong by showing that kill as a punishment is right?

Life sentence is a right punishment is send them to jail, they think how and what they did... Many criminals regret what and how they did to victims... They suffer rest of their lives... It teach them to understand that hurt/kill victim and hurt victim's family is wrong. They pay for that consquences of what and how they did and remain rest of their life. Death penalty? OVER...

It reminds the victim's family that the killer still lives while their loved one is still dead.

Do you really believe that death penatly solve anything to satisfy victim's family? I don't.

It allows the killer to relive the pleasure of his crime every day and night.

How do you know? Can you please prove to support your claim?

It allows women to fall in love with murderers and even marry them in prison.

If women or men fall in love with murderers then is their choice. They are adult and know what they doing. All what I do is :roll: and *shake my head* to them, that's all.

It allows the killer (a la Charles Manson) to bask in the glow of publicity every time they come up for parole.

Do you really think so? I don't... because they feel guilty rest of their life for their mistake what and how they did to their victims in cruel way. It teachs them lesson... They hide from publicity... They would not the same as before... I am not saying all but many ... some of them become religion belief when they were in jail and pray for forgive many times...

It forces the victim's family to relive the agony every time the killer has an appeal or parole hearing.

Force to relive the agony.....? No matter either they have to or not but they STILL NEVER forget what and how their loved one killed, no matter either the murderer are dead or alive.

It causes victims, witnesses, and jurors to lie in fear that the killer will escape and come after them.

They will get police protection right way as soon as they can...

Who cares about the victims and their families? All the tears seem to be for the rapists, murderers, kidnappers, and torturers.

It doesn't mean that we don't care about victims and their families. We do have FEELING for them and the murderer deserves their RIGHT punishment. Death penalty is not right punishment.

That's just we disagree that it's okay for government to kill human when they know killing is wrong but why is okay to kill as a punishment? I do not consider death penalty as a punishment but vengeance.

What would you consider if government kill innoncent... ? Murder? Would government also get death penalty as a "punishment" for kill wrong person to be fair?

If you think kill is okay then don't teach anyone that kill is not okay.

 

[Foxrac]

Have to agree with you, I don't support the death penatly just because I felt sorry for the murders, I do felt sorry for the victim ever more than the murder, but taking revenge against them seems doesn't goes right for me. I do think life sentence are enough for them.

Oh yup, I'm support isolated life imprisonment without parole for murder, rape of child and other serious crime.

However, USA has more murders than other most countries and death penalty would help reduce of overcrowded in prison but really not full support for that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you really think that death penatly helps to stop people for killing victims?

 

[Foxrac]

Do you really think that death penatly helps to stop people for killing victims?

I'm not totally sure about that and murderers who had been sentenced to life in prison then they don't have any chance to get out from jail.

USA has more murder in 80's and 90's than in this decade.

 

[Reba]

...Life sentence is a right punishment is send them to jail, they think how and what they did... Many criminals regret what and how they did to victims... They suffer rest of their lives... It teach them to understand that hurt/kill victim and hurt victim's family is wrong. They pay for that consquences of what and how they did and remain rest of their life. Death penalty? OVER...

People (I use the term loosely) who kill for thrill and pleasure don't regret their killings. They relive them in their minds for pleasure. They love to describe the killing over, and over again. They impress their fellow inmates. They enjoy their life sentences. That's not punishment. A life sentence teaches nothing.

Regret and sorrow for victims is for normal feeling people. Murderers are not normal. They don't have normal feelings of pity and remorse.

Do you really believe that death penatly solve anything to satisfy victim's family? I don't.

Ask a victim's family. I have read many, many families say that the execution was a relief to them. Not a pleasure, not revenge but relief.

How do you know? Can you please prove to support your claim?

The prisoners themselves say that. The criminal psychologists say that. When I get home later today I'll look up the sources. I'm surprised that you never read that before.

If women or men fall in love with murderers then is their choice. They are adult and know what they doing. All what I do is :roll: and *shake my head* to them, that's all.

So how does it punish the killer? It doesn't. They are thrilled to get all that attention. Why should the killer get pleasure? It's not fair to the victims.

Do you really think so? I don't... because they feel guilty rest of their life for their mistake what and how they did to their victims in cruel way.

They don't feel guilty. They enjoy killing.

It teachs them lesson... They hide from publicity... They would not the same as before... I am not saying all but many ... some of them become religion belief when they were in jail and pray for forgive many times...

They will get police protection right way as soon as they can...

You've got to be kidding!

So the victims can become prisoners of fear while the killer runs around freely?

It doesn't mean that we don't care about victims and their families. We do have FEELING for them and the murderer deserves their RIGHT punishment. Death penalty is not right punishment.

In your opinion. Ask the victims for their opinion.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

People (I use the term loosely) who kill for thrill and pleasure don't regret their killings. They relive them in their minds for pleasure. They love to describe the killing over, and over again. They impress their fellow inmates. They enjoy their life sentences. That's not punishment. A life sentence teaches nothing.

This is your opinion if you mean ALL murderers.

Yes, a life sentence teaches lesson.

You did not quote to answer my question.

Liebling's post
Is it right to teach someone that killing is wrong by killing them? Can you explain how can we teach that killing is wrong by showing that kill as a punishment is right?

Regret and sorrow for victims is for normal feeling people. Murderers are not normal. They don't have normal feelings of pity and remorse.

If you mean ALL murderers then is your opinion.

Ask a victim's family. I have read many, many families say that the execution was a relief to them. Not a pleasure, not revenge but relief.

Yes I've read, too. They said this but it's really truth is never, never, never solve to satisfy them because they lost their loved one forever.

The prisoners themselves say that. The criminal psychologists say that. When I get home later today I'll look up the sources. I'm surprised that you never read that before.

I am surprised either that you think "All" murderers which it is not all like this.

So how does it punish the killer? It doesn't. They are thrilled to get all that attention. Why should the killer get pleasure? It's not fair to the victims.

They don't feel guilty. They enjoy killing.

Are you saying that all murderers?

You've got to be kidding!

I'm surprise that you didn't know that.

So the victims can become prisoners of fear while the killer runs around freely?

First you said "escaped" then change again and said "runs around freely"?

1. If the killer escaped out of prison then all victims and witnesses get protection as long as the killer get catch.

2. If the killer are out of prison after long years... Do you really think the victims and witnesses stay the same place where and how the killer kill their loved one? No, they would move out to other state for their safety.

In your opinion. Ask the victims for their opinion.

You didn't quote to answer my question.

Repeat...

Liebling"s post.
That's just we disagree that it's okay for government to kill human when they know killing is wrong but why is okay to kill as a punishment? I do not consider death penalty as a punishment but vengeance.

What would you consider if government kill innoncent... ? Murder? Would government also get death penalty as a "punishment" for kill wrong person to be fair?

If you think kill is okay then don't teach anyone that kill is not okay.

 

[shel90]

People (I use the term loosely) who kill for thrill and pleasure don't regret their killings. They relive them in their minds for pleasure. They love to describe the killing over, and over again. They impress their fellow inmates. They enjoy their life sentences. That's not punishment. A life sentence teaches nothing.

Regret and sorrow for victims is for normal feeling people. Murderers are not normal. They don't have normal feelings of pity and remorse.



Ask a victim's family. I have read many, many families say that the execution was a relief to them. Not a pleasure, not revenge but relief.



The prisoners themselves say that. The criminal psychologists say that. When I get home later today I'll look up the sources. I'm surprised that you never read that before.



So how does it punish the killer? It doesn't. They are thrilled to get all that attention. Why should the killer get pleasure? It's not fair to the victims.



They don't feel guilty. They enjoy killing.






You've got to be kidding!

So the victims can become prisoners of fear while the killer runs around freely?



In your opinion. Ask the victims for their opinion.

Yea, that's how I see it too. Most murderers/rapists especially seriel killers usually repeat their offenses when let out of jail. If I had to choose, I would rather see them put them to death instead of getting paroled. Look what happened to Polly Klass ('93).

 

[shel90]

This is your opinion if you mean ALL murderers.

Yes, a life sentence teaches lesson.

You did not quote to answer my question.





If you mean ALL murderers then is your opinion.



Yes I've read, too. They said this but it's really truth is never, never, never solve to satisfy them because they lost their loved one forever.




I am surprised either that you think "All" murderers which it is not all like this.




Are you saying that all murderers?





I'm surprise that you didn't know that.



First you said "escaped" then change again and said "runs around freely"?

1. If the killer escaped out of prison then all victims and witnesses get protection as long as the killer get catch.

2. If the killer are out of prison after long years... Do you really think the victims and witnesses stay the same place where and how the killer kill their loved one? No, they would move out to other state for their safety.









You didn't quote to answer my question.

Repeat...

I disagree..I dont think I want to live my life in paralyzing fear knowing that the killer has been released. Also, in my area last year, a child murderer was paroled and the neighbors lived in complete fear even though they werent direct victims of this murderer. It makes everyone become a victim when they have to change their lifestyles and live with that constant terror especially if they are parents of young children. The murderer committed suicide so everyone was able to breathe a bit easier. It was before we bought the house. Our neighbors informed us. Wow..

 

[jillio]

Yea, that's how I see it too. Most murderers/rapists especially seriel killers usually repeat their offenses when let out of jail. If I had to choose, I would rather see them put them to death instead of getting paroled. Look what happened to Polly Klass ('93).

The percentage of serial killers compared to single victim murders comitted dependent upon situation are very, very small. That is why we hear so much about them. They are unusual and different. Actually, people convicted of single victim murder have the lowest recidivism rate of all criminals.

Take for instance, a woman who has spent years in an abusive relationship. Tired of being beaten and degraded, she shoots her husband because she beleives that is the only way to protect herself from continued abuse. She is guilty of murder, but is she likely to repeat that behavior? No. Most murders fall into this category.

And, if justice is to be fair, we cannot ask for a puishment that exceeds the crime committed. To sentence a rapist to death simply because we fear that he/she may commit the crime again is to sentence them to punishment that exceeds the crime. Life in prison with no chance of parole is justifiable is some cases, particularly with a serial rapists who commits crimes against children, to be sure. But to sentence to death for a crime that did not result in death is nothing more than revenge.

 

[jillio]

Man's guilt doubted after 26 years in prison - CNN.com
CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- A man locked away 26 years for murder was granted a new trial and freed on bond Friday with the help of two attorneys who came forward with a client's confession after the client died in prison.


Alton Logan, right, walks out of jail Friday with family members Eugene Logan and Barbara Cannon.

Alton Logan's family took up a collection in the lobby of the Cook County Criminal Courthouse and quickly came up with the $1,000 they needed to post bond.

A dozen friends and family broke into applause as Logan, 54, exited the building. He tearfully said it felt "great" to be free before he was whisked away in a black SUV.

Logan's younger brother, Eugene Logan, was adamant that he would be freed after his retrial.

"Nobody deserves to be locked away for 26 years for something they didn't do," said Eugene Logan, 48, of Portland, Oregon. "It's a blessing today that my brother's been released. He's not been exonerated yet, but we're going back to court, and it will happen."

Two attorneys recently revealed that their former client, Andrew Wilson, admitted committing the crime that sent Logan to prison, but attorney-client privilege had kept them from coming forward.

Wilson's death last year allowed the attorneys to unseal an affidavit stating that Logan was not responsible for the fatal shooting of security guard Lloyd Wickliffe at a McDonald's restaurant in January 1982.

Dale Coventry, one of the attorneys who signed the affidavit, said Friday night that he hopes prosecutors will acknowledge they went in the wrong direction with the case.

"Poor Mr. Logan was locked up all these years for something he didn't do, and that's unfortunate that it worked out the way it did," Coventry said. "I wish (the release) had happened a lot sooner, but unfortunately there was no way to do anything."

It would be up to Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office to prosecute the case because of a conflict of interest for the Cook County State's Attorney's office. Madigan's spokeswoman, Robyn Ziegler, said no decision had been made about a retrial.

"We will carefully review all the evidence in the case and then decide the appropriate next step," she said.

Logan's uncle, Arthur Gordon, 70, of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, waited outside the jail, saying he knew his nephew was innocent.

"I knew he didn't do that because I had been talking to him over the years," Gordon said. "He kept his spirit. He said, 'Uncle, I have to stay up. I can't go down. I can't go down."'

Logan's family planned to take him for a steak and lobster dinner on his first night of freedom.

"I'm going to turn him on to life," Eugene Logan said. "That's what we're going to do. We're going to live it together."

Here is a very good reason NOT to support the death penalty.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Man's guilt doubted after 26 years in prison - CNN.com
CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- A man locked away 26 years for murder was granted a new trial and freed on bond Friday with the help of two attorneys who came forward with a client's confession after the client died in prison.


Alton Logan, right, walks out of jail Friday with family members Eugene Logan and Barbara Cannon.

Alton Logan's family took up a collection in the lobby of the Cook County Criminal Courthouse and quickly came up with the $1,000 they needed to post bond.

A dozen friends and family broke into applause as Logan, 54, exited the building. He tearfully said it felt "great" to be free before he was whisked away in a black SUV.

Logan's younger brother, Eugene Logan, was adamant that he would be freed after his retrial.

"Nobody deserves to be locked away for 26 years for something they didn't do," said Eugene Logan, 48, of Portland, Oregon. "It's a blessing today that my brother's been released. He's not been exonerated yet, but we're going back to court, and it will happen."

Two attorneys recently revealed that their former client, Andrew Wilson, admitted committing the crime that sent Logan to prison, but attorney-client privilege had kept them from coming forward.

Wilson's death last year allowed the attorneys to unseal an affidavit stating that Logan was not responsible for the fatal shooting of security guard Lloyd Wickliffe at a McDonald's restaurant in January 1982.

Dale Coventry, one of the attorneys who signed the affidavit, said Friday night that he hopes prosecutors will acknowledge they went in the wrong direction with the case.

"Poor Mr. Logan was locked up all these years for something he didn't do, and that's unfortunate that it worked out the way it did," Coventry said. "I wish (the release) had happened a lot sooner, but unfortunately there was no way to do anything."

It would be up to Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office to prosecute the case because of a conflict of interest for the Cook County State's Attorney's office. Madigan's spokeswoman, Robyn Ziegler, said no decision had been made about a retrial.

"We will carefully review all the evidence in the case and then decide the appropriate next step," she said.

Logan's uncle, Arthur Gordon, 70, of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, waited outside the jail, saying he knew his nephew was innocent.

"I knew he didn't do that because I had been talking to him over the years," Gordon said. "He kept his spirit. He said, 'Uncle, I have to stay up. I can't go down. I can't go down."'

Logan's family planned to take him for a steak and lobster dinner on his first night of freedom.

"I'm going to turn him on to life," Eugene Logan said. "That's what we're going to do. We're going to live it together."

Here is a very good reason NOT to support the death penalty.

I read about this, Jillio. That's just awful. It makes one think, thats for darn sure!

 

[jillio]

I read about this, Jillio. That's just awful. It makes one think, thats for darn sure!

Yes, this is a crime that would have made this man eligble for the death penalty. What if we had executed him, and then found out that he is innocent?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Yes, this is a crime that would have made this man eligble for the death penalty. What if we had executed him, and then found out that he is innocent?

I honestly don't know. The only thing that comes to mind is a question... If that had happened, could his family have sued the state?

I also read that the judge ordered a new trial for this man. To me, THAT is wrong, too. The person that is said to have committed the crime, died in prison. If they KNOW who committed the crime, why go through the expense of retrying THIS man? It makes NO SENSE!

 

[Reba]

Man's guilt doubted after 26 years in prison - CNN.com

...Here is a very good reason NOT to support the death penalty.

Was he on death row?

 

[Reba]

I disagree..I dont think I want to live my life in paralyzing fear knowing that the killer has been released. Also, in my area last year, a child murderer was paroled and the neighbors lived in complete fear even though they werent direct victims of this murderer. It makes everyone become a victim when they have to change their lifestyles and live with that constant terror especially if they are parents of young children. The murderer committed suicide so everyone was able to breathe a bit easier. It was before we bought the house. Our neighbors informed us. Wow..

Exactly. Why should the victims and their families have to suffer over, and over again?