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Oh really, you got different views, that's good.
I believe about religion is invisible in most cases.
Sudan women 'lashed for trousers'
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Oh really, you got different views, that's good.
I believe about religion is invisible in most cases.
Did the State Department said anything? Did not se anything at U.S. Department of State the current administration is very Muslim-topic sensitive. Other groups from the Center for Security Policy to www.jidahwatch.org are doing our works for us.
Don't have to. I can just read about it. There is a story about a fire in a girl's school in Saudi. The religious police were pushing girls back into the fire if they weren't properly dressed.
They call that religion. I call that sick.
agreed, when foolish religious dogma is more important that life its madness.
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Mmm... I got an idea!
Ban the faith. Be scientific!
Ban all morals. Be amoral!
Ban the death penalty. Support all people!
Ban the praying. Be active!
Ban the traditional marriage. Be wild!
Ban the Holy Books cos they are fairy tales. They're so awesome but crazy!
Ban all informations and pictures of famous religious people. They're so nasty!
Ban all religions. Free religion is good!
A religion is no-no! 
Teach all religious people the liberal values and scientific facts as a requirement.
Worship the non-religious one is the must! Bow to the fish with the legs! :bow:
Hey, I'm sure you would love it!
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Psst! You'd better to chase me away. Huh, you know, I'm an evil conservative, right? Yeah, yep, that's right! Now, go and get me! :P
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Okay, I'm just being silly.
Anyway, I think every religion do have both sides of cons and pos for various reasons. A religion is not always bad. The faith may consider as a worthless to some people, but to me, it saved my life. I just can't live without faith. The faith does save people's lies, too. Sure, to lash the poor women for wore their pants as their preference was quite extreme and I don't agree how it was improper to dress up cos of some laws. Do you realize Milsum people felt sad for the women (I am not say all of them)? I highly am positive that those people would be there when the women need a help. I meant, a lot of supportive and love, I say! Honestly, I don't think it made all Milsum people look so bad just because it happened to two young ladies. Those are some cool Milsum people outside and in the America... It's shame and unfair that some people assumed that way, yet again and once more again. =/
Ban the faith. Be scientific!
Ban all morals. Be amoral!
Ban the death penalty. Support all people!
Ban the praying. Be active!
Ban the traditional marriage. Be wild!
Ban the Holy Books cos they are fairy tales. They're so awesome but crazy!
Ban all informations and pictures of famous religious people. They're so nasty!
Ban all religions. Free religion is good!
A religion is no-no! Teach all religious people the liberal values and scientific facts as a requirement.
Worship the non-religious one is the must! Bow to the fish with the legs! :bow:
Hey, I'm sure you would love it!
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Psst! You'd better to chase me away. Huh, you know, I'm an evil conservative, right? Yeah, yep, that's right! Now, go and get me! :P
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Okay, I'm just being silly.
Anyway, I think every religion do have both sides of cons and pos for various reasons. A religion is not always bad. The faith may consider as a worthless to some people, but to me, it saved my life. I just can't live without faith. The faith does save people's lies, too. Sure, to lash the poor women for wore their pants as their preference was quite extreme and I don't agree how it was improper to dress up cos of some laws. Do you realize Milsum people felt sad for the women (I am not say all of them)? I highly am positive that those people would be there when the women need a help. I meant, a lot of supportive and love, I say! Honestly, I don't think it made all Milsum people look so bad just because it happened to two young ladies. Those are some cool Milsum people outside and in the America... It's shame and unfair that some people assumed that way, yet again and once more again. =/
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Yeah, right, Doug. :roll: You don't lie and admit it and can't find anything else to quote to support your view than Christian Scripture.
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Sudan 'trousers woman' on trial
Sudan 'trousers woman' on trial
Police have fired tear gas at supporters of a Sudanese woman charged with wearing "indecent clothing", shortly after her trial was postponed.
Lubna Ahmed Hussein says she was arrested for wearing trousers.
She has adopted a defiant attitude, urging authorities to try her although she faces up to 40 lashes in public.
Earlier, she told the BBC she was not afraid, saying: "Flogging is not pain, flogging is an insult to humans, women and religions."
Ms Hussein has resigned from a UN job that would have given her immunity to take on the case - indicating she wants it to become a test case for women's rights in Sudan.
"If the court's decision is that I be flogged, I want this flogging in public," she told the BBC's Today programme.
FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME
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But Ms Hussein's trial in the capital, Khartoum, was delayed for a month after the judge said he needed to verify if she was immune from prosecution because of her former position at the UN.
After her hearing was adjourned, Ms Hussein said the authorities wanted to delay her trial until the fuss around it went away.
Scores of women protested outside the court, some holding up banners saying "No return to the dark ages".
Then the riot police drove them away, reports the BBC's James Copnall in Sudan.
First they marched up the road, banging their batons against their plastic shields, and later they fired tear gas and charged the protesters.
One of Ms Hussein's lawyers, Manal Khawajali, complained that she was beaten up by police outside the court.
'My message'
Ms Hussein was arrested in a restaurant in the capital with other women earlier this month for wearing clothing deemed "indecent" under Khartoum's Sharia law.
ANALYSIS
James Copnall, BBC News, Khartoum
In theory Khartoum is governed by a relatively strict interpretation of Islamic law.
But the law is not meant to apply to non-Muslims, following a 2005 peace deal between the largely Muslim north and the essentially non-Muslim south.
Although Lubna Hussein says she is facing prosecution for "indecent clothing" for wearing trousers, it is not unusual to see women wearing them.
Southern girls wear tight blue jeans and no headscarves in shopping malls; Muslim women too can be seen in trousers, though usually only in the sort of cafe frequented by the elite and foreigners. From time to time southerners are arrested for producing illegal alcohol.
She said 10 of the women arrested with her, including non-Muslims, each received 10 lashes and a fine.
"Before police caught me, there are maybe 20,000 girls and women getting flogged for dress reasons," she said.
If this could happen in a restaurant in Khartoum, imagine what the situation must be for women in Darfur, Ms Hussein said.
"This is my message."
Ms Hussein and two other women asked for a lawyer, delaying their trials.
Under a 2005 peace deal between the mainly Muslim north and the largely Christian and animist south, Sharia law is not supposed to be applied to non-Muslims living in the capital.
Our correspondent says it is not that unusual to see women - both Muslim and non-Muslim - wearing trousers in the city.
Ms Hussein says she has done nothing wrong under Sharia law, but could fall foul of a paragraph in Sudanese criminal law which forbids indecent clothing.
BBC NEWS | Africa | Protests at Sudan woman's trial
View the video in that link.
Sudan 'trousers woman' on trial
Police have fired tear gas at supporters of a Sudanese woman charged with wearing "indecent clothing", shortly after her trial was postponed.
Lubna Ahmed Hussein says she was arrested for wearing trousers.
She has adopted a defiant attitude, urging authorities to try her although she faces up to 40 lashes in public.
Earlier, she told the BBC she was not afraid, saying: "Flogging is not pain, flogging is an insult to humans, women and religions."
Ms Hussein has resigned from a UN job that would have given her immunity to take on the case - indicating she wants it to become a test case for women's rights in Sudan.
"If the court's decision is that I be flogged, I want this flogging in public," she told the BBC's Today programme.
FROM THE TODAY PROGRAMME
More from Today programme
But Ms Hussein's trial in the capital, Khartoum, was delayed for a month after the judge said he needed to verify if she was immune from prosecution because of her former position at the UN.
After her hearing was adjourned, Ms Hussein said the authorities wanted to delay her trial until the fuss around it went away.
Scores of women protested outside the court, some holding up banners saying "No return to the dark ages".
Then the riot police drove them away, reports the BBC's James Copnall in Sudan.
First they marched up the road, banging their batons against their plastic shields, and later they fired tear gas and charged the protesters.
One of Ms Hussein's lawyers, Manal Khawajali, complained that she was beaten up by police outside the court.
'My message'
Ms Hussein was arrested in a restaurant in the capital with other women earlier this month for wearing clothing deemed "indecent" under Khartoum's Sharia law.
ANALYSIS
James Copnall, BBC News, Khartoum
In theory Khartoum is governed by a relatively strict interpretation of Islamic law.
But the law is not meant to apply to non-Muslims, following a 2005 peace deal between the largely Muslim north and the essentially non-Muslim south.
Although Lubna Hussein says she is facing prosecution for "indecent clothing" for wearing trousers, it is not unusual to see women wearing them.
Southern girls wear tight blue jeans and no headscarves in shopping malls; Muslim women too can be seen in trousers, though usually only in the sort of cafe frequented by the elite and foreigners. From time to time southerners are arrested for producing illegal alcohol.
She said 10 of the women arrested with her, including non-Muslims, each received 10 lashes and a fine.
"Before police caught me, there are maybe 20,000 girls and women getting flogged for dress reasons," she said.
If this could happen in a restaurant in Khartoum, imagine what the situation must be for women in Darfur, Ms Hussein said.
"This is my message."
Ms Hussein and two other women asked for a lawyer, delaying their trials.
Under a 2005 peace deal between the mainly Muslim north and the largely Christian and animist south, Sharia law is not supposed to be applied to non-Muslims living in the capital.
Our correspondent says it is not that unusual to see women - both Muslim and non-Muslim - wearing trousers in the city.
Ms Hussein says she has done nothing wrong under Sharia law, but could fall foul of a paragraph in Sudanese criminal law which forbids indecent clothing.
BBC NEWS | Africa | Protests at Sudan woman's trial
View the video in that link.
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