Stimulation of Communication

I am not talking about you or CS itself. I am talking about the BS people say about ASL and apparently many CS supporters dont believe in ASL.That was what I was referring to. QUOTE]

shel90- That has not been my experience with the users/supporters of Cued Speech. In fact my experience is quite the contrary.

I am glad that your experience was the contrary. I do believe that there are supporters of CS who do say things like that about ASL. Doesnt mean I am gonna go against CS just because of what some people say ..same thing that I wont go against the hearing world cuz of what some hearing people say about deaf people being dumb. If I read something about someone saying stuff like that about ASL, I will say something.
 
I am not talking about you or CS itself. I am talking about the BS people say about ASL and apparently many CS supporters dont believe in ASL.That was what I was referring to. It is up to me if I want some people "cloud" my vision. I can decide for myself...thank you.

shel90 - It was not my intention to offend you. I apologise if this is what has occurred.
 
shel90- My platform for Cued Speech is and always will be about literacy, language and inclusion.

Do not allow the lack of vision from other people cloud yours.

Exactly. Full inclusion in the hearing society. Oralism by any other name. Shall I post your mission statement and goals from the National Association of Cued Speech?
 
That's from a research. Of course I will give it credence plus I am tired of oralists or people who do not support sign language say all this BS about ASL.

shel90 - It is actually an article in the New York times. Doesn't equate to research for me.
 
shel90 - It is actually an article in the New York times. Doesn't equate to research for me.

Perhaps not to you, but the Electronic Journal Center of the Academic Search Premier disagrees with you.
 
Hey, mods....how about combining the numerous threads about CS into one comprehensive thread......maybe the one in Sign Language and Oralism?
 
shel90- That has not been my experience with the users/supporters of Cued Speech. In fact my experience is quite the contrary.
it does seem that a lot of Cued Speech users, use it in a whole toolbox approach, and also usually know ASL and have speech skills. But I do think that oralists and some others, need to realize that most of the poor literacy issues are b/c kids approach English as a SECOND langage!
 
AUTHOR: BURTON BOLLAG TITLE: The Debate Over Deaf Education SOURCE: The Chronicle of Higher Education 52 no36 1 My 12 2006

Daniel S. Koo was born deaf. When he was 4 he started attending a public school where he spent part of each week getting intensive training in speaking and listening with the help of hearing aids. He remembers those early years as increasingly frustrating because, try as he might, he could not understand what his teachers were saying. By fourth grade he was falling behind academically, and his parents transferred him to another public school, which practiced a little-used method, called cued speech. As teachers spoke, they would make rapid hand movements near their mouths to visually represent the sounds they were producing. "The light bulb just went on," recalls Mr. Koo, and a world of learning opened to him. He attended the University of Maryland at College Park -- attending classes with the help of an interpreter -- and went on to graduate studies at Gallaudet University, in Washington, where all his classes were taught in American Sign Language. Today he is a postdoctoral fellow in neurolinguistics at Georgetown University Medical Center. Mr. Koo's academic success is all the more remarkable when compared with the academic performance of most deaf students. According to the latest nationwide survey, the average deaf 18-year-old reads below the fourth-grade level. Despite decades of efforts, the scores have remained largely unchanged. "Historically we have taught deaf students material way below their conceptual level since we taught them through English," says Gabriel A. Martin, chair of the communication-disorders and deaf-education department at Lamar University. The solution, he says, is teaching deaf children through American Sign Language -- their one "native" tongue. But the issue is highly controversial. Opponents say that concentrating on signing can undermine young children's acquisition of English, and largely relegates them to being able to communicate only with other deaf people. For more than two centuries, educators of the deaf -- and the college departments that train them -- have debated the best way to teach deaf children. At one end of the spectrum are those who favor the "oral" method, training teachers to concentrate on developing speech and hearing skills. At the other end are those who advocate a "bilingual" approach, teaching primarily in American Sign Language and promoting English as a second language. Scientific studies have been inconclusive in demonstrating an inherent superiority of one method over the other. But earlier detection of deafness in infants -- some 45 states now require screening at birth -- and recent advances in medical technology are resulting in greater hearing in a larger portion of deaf children. The development is shifting the debate in favor of the oral approach. That is beginning to have profound effects on the work of the country's 74 academic departments of deaf education. "I know in talking to my colleagues there is a growing recognition that the kids have changed," says Harold A. Johnson, director of Kent State University's deaf-education teacher-preparation program.Hearing More One of the most pervasive new influences on deaf children has been the introduction of cochlear implants.. The devices, first approved in 1984, bring sounds from an external hearing aid directly to the auditory nerve. The size of a needle, the devices are surgically inserted under the skin at the base of the skull, just behind the ear, where they take over the function of a damaged inner ear -- the most common cause of deafness. However, the sounds the implants produce are different, and less complete, than what is heard by people with normal hearing. People who get cochlear implants must be trained to decipher the new sounds. In addition, for the first months they must have their implants regularly "mapped" -- or fine-tuned -- to improve clarity and adjust volume levels. According to the Food and Drug Administration, approximately 13,000 adults and 10,000 children had received implants by 2002, the latest year for which data are available. But the technology continues to improve, and the number of people receiving implants is increasing rapidly. The trend is a source of anxiety to some deaf people, who feel that it may lead to an erosion of the gains they have won in recent decades in antidiscrimination legislation, and undercut their hard-won dignity. Benjamin J. Bahan, a professor of deaf studies at Gallaudet University who has been deaf since he was 4, worries that as more deaf children are given an oral education, the teaching of American Sign Language may be abandoned. "Let those kids be bilingual," he said in an e-mail message. "After all with their implants off they are DEAF." Yet the implants are already affecting the work of Gallaudet. With 1,900 students, it is the world's only university devoted to the deaf. Part of its mission is the development of teaching methods and materials for the more than 71,000 severely deaf children in the United States. The university runs a model elementary school and middle school on its large campus in Washington. Up until now, Gallaudet's goal has been to make all 370 schoolchildren it enrolls fully fluent in both English, or at least written English, and American Sign Language. But educators say they are seeing a growing number of children with implants whose improved hearing would allow them to benefit from a more oral-based education. "Teachers come here trained in a more visual approach," says Debra B. Nussbaum, coordinator of the model schools' Cochlear Implant Education Center. But, she adds, "we've been talking about how to change our strategies." Supporters of the oral approach say far too few teachers are being trained in that orientation. "In the last 10 to 15 years there has been a dramatic increase in demand" for oral education, says Susan T. Lenihan, director of the deaf-education program at Fontbonne University, in St. Louis. Deaf-education departments "should recognize this shift in the population," she says, and train more teachers equipped to work with deaf people with cochlear implants. Yet like many institutions, Gallaudet is moving cautiously and, so far, appears committed to maintaining a strong sign-language component in its model schools. "I do a lot of workshops across the country," says Ms. Nussbaum. "I'm hearing about kids with cochlear implants who didn't do as well as the doctors thought they would." Some children have found so little benefit from the devices that they have stopped using them, educators say. Gallaudet wants to make sure none of the youngsters in its model schools end up like countless children in exclusively oral programs over the years: without any language -- barely knowing English, but never having learned sign language. Not only are such children deprived of a developed means of communication, but with no language in the early years -- the critical time for learning languages -- their cognitive development may be permanently stunted, scholars say. Communication was on the minds of many Gallaudet students when they demonstrated last week against a new president chosen by the institution's board of trustees. Protesting students accuse the new president, Jane K. Fernandes, a deaf person who only learned sign language as an adult, of having a haughty and aloof style. While educators struggle to get the balance right between oral and visual forms of communication, perhaps the strongest trend in academic departments in recent years has been a growing openness to try whatever works with individual children. "Our students are prepared to use a wide range of teaching approaches," says T. Alan Hurwitz, vice president of the Rochester Institute of Technology and dean of its National Technical Institute for the Deaf, which enrolls approximately 60 students in a graduate education program. More important than the method used, says Mr. Hurwitz, who was born deaf and spoke through a signing interpreter, is "detecting deafness very early, getting parents involved early, and having good teachers."Checkered History While the popularity of different approaches has gone up and down, the root of the debate over the proper way to teach the deaf goes back more than 200 years. In 1771 the abb Charles-Michel de l'Ep e, a young priest, founded the first public school for the deaf, in Paris. He based the language of instruction on a system of hand signs he had observed deaf French people using to communicate with one another. During the 19th century, deaf children in America were taught mainly in sign language. But there was a competing approach, championed by, among others, Alexander Graham Bell, the inventor of the telephone, who was married to a deaf woman. The backers of this oral approach argued that sign language was a form of savagery that kept its users isolated from the rest of humanity. The oral approach won out when the International Congress of Educators of the Deaf, meeting in Milan in 1880, decreed that deaf people should be taught spoken language, not sign language. For much of the 20th century, deaf children in America received a predominantly oral education. Sign language continued being passed down surreptitiously in the dormitories of the residential schools where most deaf children were then sent. Those caught signing were sometimes forced to sit on their hands. The 1960s brought another shake-up, inspired by the civil-rights movement and buttressed by the work of William C. Stokoe Jr., a Chaucer scholar at Gallaudet. Mr. Stokoe published several influential works demonstrating that American Sign Language [/CODE]was not just a collection of gestures, but a true language with its own rules and grammatical structures. Indeed scholars, and deaf people fluent in both languages, say American Sign Language is as rich a medium as English for conveying even complex, intellectual ideas. The development was liberating for deaf-education departments. Several new communications systems involving hand signs were developed, including cued speech, which proved so helpful to Mr. Koo. The majority of departments moved toward an approach often referred to as "total communication," whose professed aim is to work with a variety of methods to find what works best for each child. In reality, many departments settled into a reliance on "signed English," which is not a real language like ASL, but a practice of translating spoken English, word for word. Critics say signed English is a sloppy compromise, allowing a person to speak and sign at the same time, but conveying considerably less information to a deaf listener than does ASL. To the disappointment of many scholars, this flourishing of new methods brought virtually no improvement in the test scores of deaf schoolchildren. Some scholars have reacted, ironically, by pulling to one extreme or the other: either a bilingual approach that relies chiefly on American Sign Language, or an exclusively oral approach that excludes signing altogether. While the bilingual approach is intellectually appealing to many academics (most agree that American Sign Language is the easiest "tongue" for deaf children to master), scholars readily acknowledge its one major drawback. About 97 percent of deaf children are born to hearing parents, and, educators say, those parents are typically unwilling or unable to master sign language. That means that children whose education is based on American Sign Language will communicate better with teachers and other deaf people than with their own parents. "It challenges the whole notion of what it means to be a parent," says Carol J. Erting, chair of Gallaudet's education department. "Emotionally, it's just really, really hard." More recently, the continued improvements in medical technology -- digital hearing aids that work better than the traditional analog ones, and continually improving cochlear implants -- have made the oral approach increasingly attractive. While cochlear implants are bringing new hope, they are also heating up old controversies. K. Todd Houston, executive director of the Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, the leading group promoting oral education for deaf children, asserts that "there is a window of opportunity to stimulate auditory pathways," which may be missed if a child is exposed at an early age to a signing environment. Many scholars do not agree. With bilingualism and even multilingualism common in many parts of the world, they ask, why shouldn't a deaf child be fluent in English and sign language? Mr. Koo, the neurolinguist, says that if he and his wife have any deaf children, he will raise them bilingually, in American Sign Language and cued English, the method that involves speaking and making hand signs around the mouth to represent the sounds. "ASL exposes children to the world's knowledge," he says, "and it incorporates self-esteem and aspects of deaf culture." Mastering English "gives them access to the richness of the English world, like Shakespeare and idioms. "I cherish them both," he says.
 
Benjamin J. Bahan, a professor of deaf studies at Gallaudet University who has been deaf since he was 4, worries that as more deaf children are given an oral education, the teaching of American Sign Language may be abandoned. "Let those kids be bilingual," he said in an e-mail message. "After all with their implants off they are DEAF."
Ben Bahan has only been deaf since he was four? Wow I thought he was prelingal!
 
Perhaps not to you, but the Electronic Journal Center of the Academic Search Premier disagrees with you.


Actually there is no such entity called the Electronic Journal Center of the Academic Search Premier. There are however, two separate research engines one called the Electronic Journal Center and the other the Academic Search Premier.

Again there you go just making it up as you go along and never letting the facts get in the way of your blantant bias and prejudice.

Just thought you would bully loml with some made up entity and made up position that says newspaper articles are the equivalent of scientific and medical research. Again, JT form L your transparency is exposed.

There is no argument that cued speech has helped deaf children and adults but instead of just admitting that, accepting it as yet another tool for the ole toolbox you do nothing but denigrate it. There is no one method that works for all deaf children but you are so blinded by your bias and prejudice against anything and anyone that is not just ASL.


Sorry JT from L but cued speech works and has helped many and I have seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. And no amount of yelping from you or your little lapdogs say can change that.
 
Actually there is no such entity called the Electronic Journal Center of the Academic Search Premier. There are however, two separate research engines one called the Electronic Journal Center and the other the Academic Search Premier.

Again there you go just making it up as you go along and never letting the facts get in the way of your blantant bias and prejudice.

Just thought you would bully loml with some made up entity and made up position that says newspaper articles are the equivalent of scientific and medical research. Again, JT form L your transparency is exposed.

There is no argument that cued speech has helped deaf children and adults but instead of just admitting that, accepting it as yet another tool for the ole toolbox you do nothing but denigrate it. There is no one method that works for all deaf children but you are so blinded by your bias and prejudice against anything and anyone that is not just ASL.


Sorry JT from L but cued speech works and has helped many and I have seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. And no amount of yelping from you or your little lapdogs say can change that.


I'm not attemptiong to bully anyone. You, however,seem to have a habit of doing such. And yes,they are two separate search engines, and if you ever used them to find any information to back yourself up, you would know that Academic Search Premier links directly to the EJC.

So, why don't you use the two separate search engines and find swome empirical evidence to support your claims of benefit? And, agian, for the 4th time, if you are such a big supporter of CS, shy didn't you use it with your own daughter?

What lapdogs are you referring to? The respected academic researchers?
 
I'm not attemptiong (sic) to bully anyone. You, however,seem (sic) to have a habit of doing such. And yes,they (sic) are two separate search engines, and if you ever used them to find any information to back yourself up, you would know that Academic Search Premier links directly to the EJC.

So, why don't you use the two separate search engines and find swome (sic)empirical evidence to support your claims of benefit? And, agian, (sic) for the 4th time, if you are such a big supporter of CS, shy (sic) didn't you use it with your own daughter?

What lapdogs are you referring to? The respected academic researchers?


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Nitey nite jilly

Go find someone else to fight with.
 
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Nitey nite jilly

Go find someone else to fight with.

You're the one that jumped into this discussion. Guess you don't have any empirical evidence to support yourself, and as usual, you avoid answering direct questions. Typical, ricky.
 
There is no one method that works for all deaf children but you are so blinded by your bias and prejudice against anything and anyone that is not just ASL.
WRONG! jillo is VERY pro-full toolbox. Despite what the folks at AG Bell have told you, most of us Deafies aren't extreme radical Deaf seperatist/supermaticists!
 
WRONG! jillo is VERY pro-full toolbox. Despite what the folks at AG Bell have told you, most of us Deafies aren't extreme radical Deaf seperatist/supermaticists!

Thank you, dd. All but a few here understand that.


And from the OP in the thread "Stimulation of Communication"

Cued speech facilitates oral communication and permits the deaf child access to a fully structured linguistic model. This notion of model is fundamental:
it implies the child’s capacity to memorize linguistic elements in their correct form (lexical and syntactic). In the very principles of its conception, cued
speech renders visible the syllabic organization of our linguistic system. Several recent studies emphasize the importance of the syllable as the basic
unit of speech, perceived even by hearing babies as early as 3–4 months. A deaf baby who receives cued speech develops this skill as well. Little by
little, he attaches meaning to the hand configurations and even reproduces some of these cues to name and evoke things. In the same way, the child
develops a stock of vocabulary words.

And for those that claim that cued speech is about literacy only, this is from the OP.
 
WRONG! jillo is VERY pro-full toolbox. Despite what the folks at AG Bell have told you, most of us Deafies aren't extreme radical Deaf seperatist/supermaticists!


DD you win the prize for the cliche riddled post of the year: a hackey sack autographed by jilly herself.

Yes, DD she is just so supportive of all educational methods and choices of communication. It comes across in all of her posts. Just look at how supportive she is of cued speech. BTW what is the color of the sun on your planet?

Yes, she is indeed very "pro-full toolbox" just as long as every tool in that box is ASL.
 
DD you win the prize for the cliche riddled post of the year: a hackey sack autographed by jilly herself.

Yes, DD she is just so supportive of all educational methods and choices of communication. It comes across in all of her posts. Just look at how supportive she is of cued speech. BTW what is the color of the sun on your planet?

Yes, she is indeed very "pro-full toolbox" just as long as every tool in that box is ASL.

You should worry that a huge part of the deaf community are very stubborn on the ASL + speech philosophy explained by Jillio. She is just telling you what the majority of deaf people and real reseachers know, and it's the majority of deaf people you really are pissed of at.

If you still do not understand, go to any World Federation of the Deaf congress and speak out your philosophy on a stage. A rain coat is recommended.
 
You should worry that a huge part of the deaf community are very stubborn on the ASL + speech philosophy explained by Jillio. She is just telling you what the majority of deaf people and real reseachers know, and it's the majority of deaf people you really are pissed of at.

If you still do not understand, go to any World Federation of the Deaf congress and speak out your philosophy on a stage. A rain coat is recommended.

Established in Rome, Italy, in 1951, WFD is an international, non-governmental central organisation of national associations of Deaf people, with a current membership of associations in 127 countries worldwide. Associate members, international members and individual members also make up WFD’s membership base.

WFD’s philosophy is one of equality, human rights and respect for all people, regardless of race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual preference, age and all other differences. WFD supports and promotes in its work the many United Nations conventions on human rights, with a focus on Deaf people who use sign language, and their friends and family. WFD works with the aim of solidarity and unity to make the world a better place.

WFD has consultative status in the United Nations (UN) system, including the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC); the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO); the International Labour Organization (ILO); and the World Health Organization (WHO). WFD also co-operates closely with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, and has representatives on the Panel of Experts on the UN Standard Rules for the Equalization of Opportunities for Persons with Disabilities. WFD is a member of the International Disability Alliance (IDA).

Role:

WFD is an international, non-governmental, central organisation comprising national associations of Deaf people.

At present, emphasis is placed on the following areas:
Improve the status of national sign languages
Better education for Deaf people
Improve access to information and services
Improve human rights for Deaf people in developing countries
Promote the establishment of Deaf organisations where none currently exist
The highest decision making body of WFD is the General Assembly (GA). Every Ordinary Member has the right to send up to two Deaf delegates to attend the GA, held every four years.

The GA is held in conjunction with the quadrennial World Congress of the WFD.
Status:

WFD has B-category status with the United Nations and is represented on the following groups:
Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC)
Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
International Labour Organization (ILO)
World Health Organization (WHO)
Panel of Experts on the UN Standard Rules for the Equalization of Opportunities for Persons with Disabilities
WFD provides expert advice on Deaf issues in its relationship with other international organisations and professional groups.

The legal seat of WFD is in Helsinki, Finland.

Copied from the web site. It states it represents 70 million deaf people. It states they represent people who use sign language.
 
The two organizations that I believe in are Nashville's Hearing Loss Association and the League for Deaf and Hard of Hearing.

This the mission and vision of the league of Deaf and Hard of Hearing:

Mission
To unite the Deaf, the Hard of Hearing and the Hearing communities through education, services and support to empower individuals to achieve their full potential. Vision
There are no barriers for Deaf and Hard of Hearing people to reach their goals.

This is what I believe in.
 
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Nitey nite jilly

Go find someone else to fight with.

U jumped into it so finish it! Love to just come in and bully people and call other people nasty names.

Jillo has never disregarded CS as a teaching tool or did u purposely miss that information? :roll:
 
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