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Sounds awesome! Keep us posted on your progress...

I had a similar experience when I got my CI for the first time...just about everything made noise and seemed loud. Give yourself a few months, your brain will block those sounds to the point that you don't notice the sounds anymore.

Imagine my surprise at how loud keyboard clicking is, and the mouse wheel is very noisy too...

Sometimes our aids amplify things louder than they actually are....I keep hearing a rattle above me at the office, drives me insane, but all the hearing people around me never noticed the sound until I brought it up....
 
green427 said:
Sounds awesome! Keep us posted on your progress...

I had a similar experience when I got my CI for the first time...just about everything made noise and seemed loud. Give yourself a few months, your brain will block those sounds to the point that you don't notice the sounds anymore.

Imagine my surprise at how loud keyboard clicking is, and the mouse wheel is very noisy too...

Sometimes our aids amplify things louder than they actually are....I keep hearing a rattle above me at the office, drives me insane, but all the hearing people around me never noticed the sound until I brought it up....
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They do. Granted there is an adjustment period after you get new aids that are working better for you, but all that "noise pollution" as someone who used to have completely normal hearing I can tell you without a doubt that yes all those little sounds are amplified louder than it would normally be. So don't go feeling bad for hearies Jiro, what you're hearing isn't what they would be hearing.
 
ambrosia said:
They do. Granted there is an adjustment period after you get new aids that are working better for you, but all that "noise pollution" as someone who used to have completely normal hearing I can tell you without a doubt that yes all those little sounds are amplified louder than it would normally be. So don't go feeling bad for hearies Jiro, what you're hearing isn't what they would be hearing.
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you wanna try living in NYC for a few days? :lol:
 
Jiro said:
you wanna try living in NYC for a few days? :lol:
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Not neccessary, I used to be hearing, and I'm telling you, you and a hearing person could be standing right next to each, "hearing" the same things, but what you are hearing is not what they are.

Not be able to hear those annoying noises is not a good trade for the crap hearing we get out of hearing aids. Besides it's really really really not as loud to them as someone who is wearing to brand new hearing aids they haven't gotten used to yet.
 
ambrosia said:
Not neccessary, I used to be hearing, and I'm telling you, you and a hearing person could be standing right next to each, "hearing" the same things, but what you are hearing is not what they are.

Not be able to hear those annoying noises is not a good trade for the crap hearing we get out of hearing aids. Besides it's really really really not as loud to them as someone who is wearing to brand new hearing aids they haven't gotten used to yet.
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The "really really really not as loud to them" -- is that because hearies are used to them and tune out (or tune down), or is it that the HA over-amplifies? I have no clue myself, so it's a genuine question.

And, the "what you are hearing is not what they are" .. like what? Again, genuine question. It's not often we get a chance to ask these questions of someone who once had hearing.
 
AlleyCat said:
The "really really really not as loud to them" -- is that because hearies are used to them and tune out (or tune down), or is it that the HA over-amplifies? I have no clue myself, so it's a genuine question.

And, the "what you are hearing is not what they are" .. like what? Again, genuine question. It's not often we get a chance to ask these questions of someone who once had hearing.
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It's a little bit of both when the hearing aids are new, but they are overamplified, and they're not hearing that overamplification. I'm not sure how to explain it, I mean the hearing aids are amplifying all these sounds at once right, trying to get speech up to where you can hear it, at least for most peeps that wear them. Those little noises, the fan over the stove for instance, just isn't as loud to someone who's hearing. As sophisticated as hearing aids are nowadays they just aren't sophisticated everything quite right, everything at the right decibels.

i use the fan over the stove as an example because when I first got my Naida UP's this summer the fan was on while I was trying to talk to my sister, the fan was louder than she was, that's not right, in fact I didn't even think it was the fan I thought it was damn lawn mower. But it seemed especially loud because they were new, but even after your brain adjusts, stuff that you wouldn't want to be amplified at all, are overamplified. I thought the dishwasher was a thunderstorm!!

This was far more noticeable, for longer, I think with the analog, that don't get that fine tuning of digitals. I was a cashier at the time, and OMG putting change in the cash register, it's not nearly as loud as a hearing aid makes it out to be.
 
AlleyCat said:
-- is that because hearies are used to them and tune out (or tune down), or is it that the HA over-amplifies?
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Actually....both. I had a hearing person plug some earbuds into my old Sprint CI processor, and she said that many of the sounds are much, much louder than they actually are. What I heard as a hearing person is different from what I heard with HA's, and now what I hear with my CI's is different too.

And, the "what you are hearing is not what they are" .. like what? Again, genuine question. It's not often we get a chance to ask these questions of someone who once had hearing.
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I think she is trying to say that we all hear the same sound differently.

Example with me: For the last 10 years, I would hear a 3-ring sound outside, and to me, it sounded like a wind chime or bell from a distance. Always heard it in three's. I asked a couple kids a few years ago, they did not hear anything.

I finally asked three hearing people standing nearby recently if they hear it, they all listened for it, and when it happened, they all said it was an owl hooting. They hear it as a bird hooting, whereas I hear it as a bell ringing.
 
ambrosia said:
It's a little bit of both when the hearing aids are new, but they are overamplified, and they're not hearing that overamplification. I'm not sure how to explain it, I mean the hearing aids are amplifying all these sounds at once right, trying to get speech up to where you can hear it, at least for most peeps that wear them. Those little noises, the fan over the stove for instance, just isn't as loud to someone who's hearing. As sophisticated as hearing aids are nowadays they just aren't sophisticated everything quite right, everything at the right decibels.

i use the fan over the stove as an example because when I first got my Naida UP's this summer the fan was on while I was trying to talk to my sister, the fan was louder than she was, that's not right, in fact I didn't even think it was the fan I thought it was damn lawn mower. But it seemed especially loud because they were new, but even after your brain adjusts, stuff that you wouldn't want to be amplified at all, are overamplified. I thought the dishwasher was a thunderstorm!!

This was far more noticeable, for longer, I think with the analog, that don't get that fine tuning of digitals. I was a cashier at the time, and OMG putting change in the cash register, it's not nearly as loud as a hearing aid makes it out to be.
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Huh! That's interesting! So my hubby is in the kitchen cooking right now, and I'm in the living room. I heard the cabinet door shut after he pulled out a pot. Is it really not that loud? I heard it louder than the TV I have going in the living room.
 
green427 said:
Actually....both. I had a hearing person plug some earbuds into my old Sprint CI processor, and she said that many of the sounds are much, much louder than they actually are. What I heard as a hearing person is different from what I heard with HA's, and now what I hear with my CI's is different too.
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More mechanical now? As in because we're wearing equipment? You the CI, me the HA?

green427 said:
I think she is trying to say that we all hear the same sound differently.

Example with me: For the last 10 years, I would hear a 3-ring sound outside, and to me, it sounded like a wind chime or bell from a distance. Always heard it in three's. I asked a couple kids a few years ago, they did not hear anything.

I finally asked three hearing people standing nearby recently if they hear it, they all listened for it, and when it happened, they all said it was an owl hooting. They hear it as a bird hooting, whereas I hear it as a bell ringing.
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I get that concept actually. I always mix up sounds. I have to ask others what it is that I'm hearing because my idea of it is nothing like theirs. :lol:
 
AlleyCat said:
More mechanical now? As in because we're wearing equipment? You the CI, me the HA?
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Pretty much....ask any senior citizen why they hate wearing their hearing aids, they all will tell you that everything is much, much louder than it should be.
 
green427 said:
Pretty much....ask any senior citizen why they hate wearing their hearing aids, they all will tell you that everything is much, much louder than it should be.
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Can't a volume adjustment be made to accommodate? My HAs have a volume control of 1 to 4. Anything above 3 is distorted for me, and glaringly loud. So I wear mine at 2 to 2.5.
 
AlleyCat said:
Huh! That's interesting! So my hubby is in the kitchen cooking right now, and I'm in the living room. I heard the cabinet door shut after he pulled out a pot. Is it really not that loud? I heard it louder than the TV I have going in the living room.
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Granted pots nd pans banging together are loud, but yep, you're probably hearing it louder than it would normally occur, I think the more amplification (gain) you need in general moderate loss vs profound, the more that might be a problem but I'm not sure. My loss was pretty rapid, from the time I noticed I was losing hearing in my right ear (left went first I just relied on my right) and when I got aids almost a year had gone by and I was already at severe and needed bte, which were analog, so I was never aided when I had a more coderate loss.

And I started losing my hearing in my 20's so my memory of sound isn't vague childhood memories, left started going at 20, right started going at 25/6ish, so I was an adult. I remember it very well. The example of change banging together, when I was in highschool I was a cashier at a grocery store, when I got my first hearing aids at 27 I was a cashier at Mobil, and the change sounds much much louder than real life.
green427 said:
Actually....both. I had a hearing person plug some earbuds into my old Sprint CI processor, and she said that many of the sounds are much, much louder than they actually are. What I heard as a hearing person is different from what I heard with HA's, and now what I hear with my CI's is different too.



I think she is trying to say that we all hear the same sound differently.

Example with me: For the last 10 years, I would hear a 3-ring sound outside, and to me, it sounded like a wind chime or bell from a distance. Always heard it in three's. I asked a couple kids a few years ago, they did not hear anything.

I finally asked three hearing people standing nearby recently if they hear it, they all listened for it, and when it happened, they all said it was an owl hooting. They hear it as a bird hooting, whereas I hear it as a bell ringing.
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Basically yes, the same sounds but differently, but more I think it's distortion, overamplification and the distortion caused from overamplication. The sound of a wind chime just wasn't meant to be amplified to, let's say 90 freaking decibels, and with that gain comes distortion.
 
AlleyCat said:
Can't a volume adjustment be made to accommodate? My HAs have a volume control of 1 to 4. Anything above 3 is distorted for me, and glaringly loud. So I wear mine at 2 to 2.5.
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If you turn it down, then you lose speech, it's loud enough to understand it. I am forever complaining about how loud the music is at work, and all the hearing people say it's quiet, and it's not even clear to me, it's just loud and obnoxious because it makes harder to understand people.
 
At 115 db loss that I have now, I suppose my HAs have their work cut out for them. :lol:
 
ambrosia said:
If you turn it down, then you lose speech, it's loud enough to understand it. I am forever complaining about how loud the music is at work, and all the hearing people say it's quiet, and it's not even clear to me, it's just loud and obnoxious because it makes harder to understand people.
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Even with my HAs, I can't understand speech. The best audiogram result we've gotten for me is 40-50 db aided. I need to be at 20-30 for speech, so .. all I really get is noise and the occasional word. But that's ok, texting works fabulously !! :lol:
 
Its both ... someone who is born hearing and never loses any hearing has a lifetime of learning ... their brain adjusts to the white noise and learns to filter it out ... the person dont even have to try to ignore a sound the brain figures it out and adapts ... with a HA it does amplify EVERYTHING ... digital is a little better yes but not much ... they can be programmed to increase certain frequencies that someone is deafer too but at the same time will increase noise in that frequency as well ... nothing is perfect its just a temp fix hearing tends to always worsens over time ... so an HA used for moderate loss will have to be upgraded to a HA for severe-profound over time ... I've used HA's and CI both and it does the same no matter it still increases the white noise that is unwanted ... my audi and I have even played with different programs to compensate ... my CI has 4 programs ... 1 is normal settings... 2 is phone setting(volume up sensitivity down) 3 and 4 were tests ... setting those to decrease all volume in high pitched and low pitched frequencies only to try to compensate for noisy places... guess what ... it DIDNT work ... it made what i wanted to hear quieter and what i was trying to block out it was the dominant sound ...
 
AlleyCat said:
The "really really really not as loud to them" -- is that because hearies are used to them and tune out (or tune down), or is it that the HA over-amplifies? I have no clue myself, so it's a genuine question.

And, the "what you are hearing is not what they are" .. like what? Again, genuine question. It's not often we get a chance to ask these questions of someone who once had hearing.
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People that are fully hearing can't "tune down" anything, they just hear things as they are. With hearing aids, you're hearing things twice as loud (try that in a train station). What I hated about my Starkeys was not being able to turn things up or down...or off. With my Widex, I have those options and more, and music sounds more natural. Everything just sounded like a toy with the Starkeys. Remember though that people have different experiences with hearing aids and I equate to appreciating art. Not everyone will view something the same way, so you do need to give yourself some time to determine how they're working for you. Everything requires an adjustment period.

Laura
 
Lau2046 said:
People that are fully hearing can't "tune down" anything, they just hear things as they are.
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Yes, I do believe people hear things just as they are, but I do think it can be tuned out or tuned down. Ncff was saying: "their brain adjusts to the white noise and learns to filter it out." I think I can actually relate to that. When I had my last cellphone before the iPhone I have now, whenever it would vibrate, and if I had it placed on a kitchen counter or something of the like, I could hear it vibrate a room away. However, it only took weeks before I could no longer hear it vibrate. I think I learned to tune it out or down. That white noise. My iPhone doesn't have that same type of vibrate, though.
 
Lau2046 said:
People that are fully hearing can't "tune down" anything, they just hear things as they are. With hearing aids, you're hearing things twice as loud (try that in a train station). What I hated about my Starkeys was not being able to turn things up or down...or off. With my Widex, I have those options and more, and music sounds more natural. Everything just sounded like a toy with the Starkeys. Remember though that people have different experiences with hearing aids and I equate to appreciating art. Not everyone will view something the same way, so you do need to give yourself some time to determine how they're working for you. Everything requires an adjustment period.

Laura
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well more like tune it out. I have 2 weeks to try it out and then when I go back, the audiologist will give me Oticon to try it out for a couple weeks.
 
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