South Carolina House passes illegal immigration bill

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TXgolfer said:
An Oakland cop shot an innocent teen......should we take guns away from all cops? Fire them all?
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simple - you send that cop to jail for murder.
 
TXgolfer said:
:dunno: I don't see that checking legal status would take a great deal of time. And if SC is as serious about the II problem as others I am sure they won't put all their eggs in one basket.
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No no.. not time as in how long it takes to verify legal status (which by the way is ALREADY done in the first place, so....what is the purpose of this amendment?). I'm talking about time wasted waiting around to see the results of this "amendment" to the law. I predict the results will NOT be more illegal immigrants being caught.

So basically SC is like "Look! I created more laws to battle illegal immigration. So we don't have to worry about it for a while now." Time passes by. Several studies were done to show the effectiveness of this law (which most likely will show NO effect) and there will be numerous complaints by Americans who were given a tough time by the police. (Those people probably just happened to look Mexican)

Then SC will be back to square 1 with illegal immigration with more Americans having disdain for the police/laws. Hence, time is wasted.

It's actually quite amusing. Quite a lot of people here who are all for this law also complain about those extensive body searches at the airport. Does no one else see the similarities of those two situations?
 
Daredevel7 said:
No no.. not time as in how long it takes to verify legal status (which by the way is ALREADY done in the first place, so....what is the purpose of this amendment?). I'm talking about time wasted waiting around to see the results of this "amendment" to the law. I predict the results will NOT be more illegal immigrants being caught.

So basically SC is like "Look! I created more laws to battle illegal immigration. So we don't have to worry about it for a while now." Time passes by. Several studies were done to show the effectiveness of this law (which most likely will show NO effect) and there will be numerous complaints by Americans who were given a tough time by the police. (Those people probably just happened to look Mexican)

Then SC will be back to square 1 with illegal immigration with more Americans having disdain for the police/laws. Hence, time is wasted.

It's actually quite amusing. Quite a lot of people here who are all for this law also complain about those extensive body searches at the airport. Does no one else see the similarities of those two situations?
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As i said earlier, I think the Repubs signing this knew all along that it would never get past the Federal Courts. This is nothing more than a political ploy to pander to the Tea Party mentality, providing a false appearance of having "taken strong and decisive action against illegals". Vote getting ploy more than serious attempt at passing law.
 
jillio said:
As i said earlier, I think the Repubs signing this knew all along that it would never get past the Federal Courts. This is nothing more than a political ploy to pander to the Tea Party mentality, providing a false appearance of having "taken strong and decisive action against illegals". Vote getting ploy more than serious attempt at passing law.
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Yeah, and this is a good way to see who the fascists are. :lol:
 
Daredevel7 said:
Here is the thing. When I say efficient, I am not just talking about money. I am talking about TIME (which = money, anyway). For at least several years, people in SC are going to wait around and "hope" this works. Meaning they probably won't do ANYTHING ELSE to combat illegal immigration, because they are relying on "this little step" to solve their problem. See my point?
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SC does do more than "this little step." SC enforces penalties against businesses that hire illegal aliens.

You already pointed out that SC does most things already, so it's just a little extra step.... which, in my opinion, will decrease morale more than increase the number of illegal immigrants caught....
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Decrease whose morale?
 
Beowulf said:
After all those steps are taken, why and how would the cop have "reasonable suspicion" a person is an illegal alien? That is part of the new amendment proposed.
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Suppose, for example, the picture on the ID doesn't match the face of person presenting it. Suppose the suspect tries to make a run for it.
 
jillio said:
Have we got a lot of those?:lol:
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Since no one is tracking them, how would we know?

The problem is not Canadian citizens sneaking over the border. The problem is other nationalities using Canada as a means to enter the USA.
 
Reba said:
Suppose, for example, the picture on the ID doesn't match the face of person presenting it. Suppose the suspect tries to make a run for it.
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a white person with fake ID or ID that doesn't match his face.
a Mexican/Asian person with fake ID or ID that doesn't match his face.

that's the problem.
 
Reba said:
SC does do more than "this little step." SC enforces penalties against businesses that hire illegal aliens.
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I don't have a problem with this part. I'm all for that. After all, AMERICANS are the reason why we have illegal immigrants. Someone is giving them a reason to stay. (hint: $$$$)

Reba said:
Decrease whose morale?
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Americans!
 
kokonut said:
Yeah, same thing for a certain deaf golf tournament. Only thing is that you'd be disqualified if you wore your hearing aid or cochlear implant while playing. Heck, it'd be a disadvantage to wear one than not since you don't have to worry about people talking and upsetting your concentration right before you take a swing at a golf ball.
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That is not because of the tournament itself, it's the politics in the higher uppers behind the tournament.
 
Jiro said:
a white person with fake ID or ID that doesn't match his face.
a Mexican/Asian person with fake ID or ID that doesn't match his face.

that's the problem.
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Anyone whose appearance doesn't match the ID card picture and description bears further investigation.
 
Reba said:
Anyone whose appearance doesn't match the ID card picture and description bears further investigation.
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Sighhh. You mean to tell me that right now the cops can only say, "Hey, this doesn't match but my hands are tied, boo hoo?"
 
Reba said:
Since no one is tracking them, how would we know?

The problem is not Canadian citizens sneaking over the border. The problem is other nationalities using Canada as a means to enter the USA.
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Ahhh, the darker skinned ones that we can easily see.
 
jillio said:
I think we have advanced a bit past 1892 when Plessy vs. Ferguson took place. At least, I would hope that our society is not as racist in thought, word, and deed as it was at that time. It would appear from what I am seeing, however, that we may be taking a few steps backward. However, we still have not reached the racist attitudes of 1892 in 2011.

The same can be said for the Dredd Scott decision in 1857.

You are attempting to look at history in isolation, without consideration for cultural norms in place at the time. We do not subscribe to the same racist attitudes in law today as we did in the 1800's.
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The people of those times thought their Federal courts knew what they were doing, too.
 
Reba said:
The people of those times thought their Federal courts knew what they were doing, too.
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Different time, different culture, different values, different way of thought altogether. Cannot be applied to justify racism today.
 
jillio said:
Ahhh, the darker skinned ones that we can easily see.
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Light skinned people sneak over the southern border, and dark skinned people sneak over the northern border. So? I don't want any person of any color sneaking over our borders.

I welcome people of all colors who come into our country and state LEGALLY.
 
jillio said:
Different time, different culture, different values, different way of thought altogether. Cannot be applied to justify racism today.
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You brought up the Federal courts, not me.

There is no justification for racism.
 
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