Sorensen Communications Robs Canada

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Sorenson Communications made sure they took interpreters from deaf people in a Canadian locale and used them to benefit the U.S. I'm not at all interested in their loophole rationales.

Phone service lures away deaf interpreters
 
This would be interesting to see what d/Deaf/HoH Canadians here have to say about Sorenson taking away their interpreters.
 
I think it's outrageous that they are being allowed to do this in Canada. The problem is, they are not sharing their services with us. So why should they get to use our interpreters?

One of the reasons why we may not get our own VRS is because of situations like this. By doing this, we are taking the interpreters away and making it hard on the deaf people who need them at doctor appointments, job interviews and more.

It's already becoming a crisis in B.C. according to someone I spoke to.
 
Geez, that really sucks.
 
Banjo, do you know if deaf organisations such as CAD and CCSD are doing something about this?
 
Banjo, do you know if deaf organisations such as CAD and CCSD are doing something about this?

Some of these organizations actually applied for a license to set up a videophone system but were turned down by the CRTC (Canadian version of FCC) because they said that the major telecoms will get to run them instead.
 
Some of these organizations actually applied for a license to set up a videophone system but were turned down by the CRTC (Canadian version of FCC) because they said that the major telecoms will get to run them instead.

Telecoms know the different what their language need or should be equal as better service?
 
Don't we have another thread on this topic under 'Captioning and Interpreters', started by Banjo?
 
There is a shortage of interpreters on both sides of the border... It will always be a shortage until the greedy interpreting programs allow more people in to become interpreters. So, some of the blame lies with the interpreter programs.

Videophone does allow more efficent use of the small pool of interpreters we do have. Instead of travelling all over the place, they sit and interpret many times a hour..

Personally, I tink the USofA have too many VRS companies now. Way too many.

Besides, I will have a hard time understanding an interpreter from Canada, The dialects are very different. And yes I have been to Canada before.. smile
 
Besides, I will have a hard time understanding an interpreter from Canada, The dialects are very different. And yes I have been to Canada before.. smile

I think it depends. I can understand Americans just fine.
 
I am making a copy of a new thread here, because this merits a separate discussion.

Sorenson Communications made sure they took interpreters from deaf people in a Canadian locale and used them to benefit the U.S. I'm not at all interested in their loophole rationales.

Phone service lures away deaf interpreters
This is not a problem: It's a problem of the U.S. government subsidizing relay/interpretors, and Canada not subsidizing. The playing field is unbalanced.

Solution: Have Canada COMPETE! Let us all Canadian deafies DEMAND our government pay a subsidy to improve our relay services.
We don't have IP Relay.
We don't have Captioned Telephone.
We don't have BlackBerry relay.
We don't have AIM Relay.
We don't have Video Relay!!!

As a software developer, I am lucky to invent my own homebrew Bell Canada IP Relay system (MiniTTY) and I got my own workarounds to let me use WebCapTel in Canada (Hint: I own two U.S. phone lines by a U.S. phone company). I use Rogers SpinVox voice-to-text voice-recognition voicemail so I can read my voicemails. I use a BlackBerry maxed out with features such as JiveTalk and mobile IP-Relay with Bell Canada using my homebrew solution. Amongst other things. I'm one of the few deaf Canadian smart enough to develop workarounds that allow me to use a lot of the enhanced services in Canada. It's sad that as an educated Canadian, that I need high level of technical knowledge to take advantage of enhanced services in Canada where none exist.

It's not Sorenson's fault. My interpretation is that it is the disparity of subsidies that the U.S. government pays Sorenson which in turns pays Canadian interpretors to work for the U.S. Our Canadian government needs to do the same to balance this playing field!

Yes, you heard me right, your taxpayer dollar pays for Relay, VRS, IP-Relay, etc. It's called the Telecommunications Relay Fund.
www.fcc.gov/cgb/dro/trs.html <-- Genuine U.S. government site, that shows Sorenson is PAID by taxpayers! The same dollars are coaxing our interpretors out of our country.
And yes, you heard me right, Canada isn't doing jack about subsidizing the improvement of deaf accessibility.

And yes, I'm a Canadian complaining. We're a great country, but I'll be blunt: Deaf accessibility is second fiddle. We may joke about a few shortcomings of the U.S. at times -- but I welcome "BLAME CANADA" when it comes to deaf accessibility. Bring on the insults to our Canadian government, I say!

Not convinced? See Sorenson's website, they implicitly admit they're subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer while they are not by Canada: www.sorensonvrs.com/canada/
Copy & Pasted from Sorenson's website:
Note: The video relay service program in the US is paid for by the US Government via the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and calls that do not begin or end within the US and its territories are not eligible for reimbursement. Therefore, Canada-to-Canada VRS demonstration calls are not submitted to the FCC for reimbursement.

And they're trying to petition Canada in doing the same:
Copy & Pasted from Sorenson's website:
For Sorenson VRS to become available in Canada, the Canadian government needs to implement a program to reimburse VRS providers. Sorenson VRS encourages you to contact the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) Consumer Affairs division and help them to realize the advantages of Sorenson VRS for the Canadian deaf and hard-of-hearing communities.

Thus, I'm a Canadian. And I don't blame Sorenson. It's our government's fault, not Sorenson!

We're not debating whether this is shady or not (Yes Sorenson might be unethical sometimes). Our loss of deaf interpretors, bottom line, the FAULT STILL LIES WITH CANADA. We're losing out BAD because we're not helping our deaf industry innovate.

P.S. I'm happy we have invented a little wonderful pocket machine called the BlackBerry, and it almost makes up for everything. Almost. :) :) :)
 
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There is a shortage of interpreters on both sides of the border... It will always be a shortage until the greedy interpreting programs allow more people in to become interpreters. So, some of the blame lies with the interpreter programs.

Videophone does allow more efficent use of the small pool of interpreters we do have. Instead of travelling all over the place, they sit and interpret many times a hour..

Personally, I tink the USofA have too many VRS companies now. Way too many.

Besides, I will have a hard time understanding an interpreter from Canada, The dialects are very different. And yes I have been to Canada before.. smile

Soooooo, what do you suggest? That the interpreting programs water down their programs and thereby the quality of their products?
 
There is a shortage of interpreters on both sides of the border... It will always be a shortage until the greedy interpreting programs allow more people in to become interpreters. So, some of the blame lies with the interpreter programs.
What exactly do you mean by that? How are ITPs being "greedy"? What do you mean that the ITPs should "allow" more people into their programs?


Videophone does allow more efficent use of the small pool of interpreters we do have. Instead of travelling all over the place, they sit and interpret many times a hour...
That's fine for telephone service but that doesn't replace community interpreting. The "traveling" interpreter is still a necessity.
 
Didnt meant to take so long to respond here . been busy with wifey and house hunting and whatever else she throws my way lol.

Tousi that is the rub, what gives ? I suggested many times and still suggest even 25 years later, let there be a tier system for qualified interpreters to move up and down . I don't need a highly qualified interpreter in many situations. Many ITP programs don't want more interpreters because they are afraid it will "overflood " the market. ( too many interpreters) . And I as the consumer should be allowed to choose what level interpreter I need in my different situations. Here in the Denver area, many people with a hearing loss are using CART interpreters to make up for the shortage of intepreters.

So no it is not the videophone providers fault if the country don't subsidize services for theii deaf citizens. And an interpreter is going to go where they can ge the highest pay. So fellow neighbors up north gather the deaf troups and rally at your government buildings. ( no burning buildings, maybe a Boston tea party will work like it did for us )
 
Many ITP programs don't want more interpreters because they are afraid it will "overflood " the market.
I've heard this many times and I am very confused. Everyone knows there is a shortage of ASL interpreters around the country. Where did you hear that ITP programs don't want more students to come in? I have never heard of students being rejected from ITP's unless they really weren't qualified. Perhaps what we need is more ITP's in different locations rather than only in big cities.
 
I've heard this many times and I am very confused. Everyone knows there is a shortage of ASL interpreters around the country. Where did you hear that ITP programs don't want more students to come in? I have never heard of students being rejected from ITP's unless they really weren't qualified. Perhaps what we need is more ITP's in different locations rather than only in big cities.
I haven't heard of ITPs rejecting students for market reasons, only for lack of qualification.

I agree that there need to be more ITPs available. My state has only one (a two-year program), and that is not centrally located.

Are there not enough qualified instructors for ITPs? Or do colleges hesitate to start ITPs because they believe there's not enough student interest to keep the programs afloat? :dunno:
 
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