Sony HDTV & Caption Issues

No, VCR is no longer then people are angry becuase no more analog will no longer on feb 17, 2009, all Sony, JVC, Samsung will no longer VCR, they make new DVR (Digital Video Rrecond). they will use OTA, CableTV or CableTV CableCard all in one soon because DVR (motorlia, Moxi etc..) is now for only CableTV Company (Cox, Comcast, TWC,) are lousy, I like best Sony, JVC, Samsung etc.. for DVR support OTA without CableTV

Etoile said:
VCR is no longer? What do you mean? The DTV transition is on 2/17/09 but it has nothing to do with VCRs.
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rhr said:
No, VCR is no longer then people are angry becuase no more analog will no longer on feb 17, 2009, all Sony, JVC, Samsung will no longer VCR, they make new DVR (Digital Video Rrecond). they will use OTA, CableTV or CableTV CableCard all in one soon because DVR (motorlia, Moxi etc..) is now for only CableTV Company (Cox, Comcast, TWC,) are lousy, I like best Sony, JVC, Samsung etc.. for DVR support OTA without CableTV
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VCR has nothing to do with DTV transition. VCR is how you make a copy of what you're watching. Has nothing to do with how you get the signal to your house. DVR is another way to make a copy of what you're watching.

Here is more information:
Using a VCR to record programming from a DTV converter box

VCRs are going to be around for a long time. The technology is not completely dead yet. You can buy new VHS movies in most stores!
 
Etoile said:
VCR has nothing to do with DTV transition. VCR is how you make a copy of what you're watching. Has nothing to do with how you get the signal to your house. DVR is another way to make a copy of what you're watching.

Here is more information:
Using a VCR to record programming from a DTV converter box

VCRs are going to be around for a long time. The technology is not completely dead yet. You can buy new VHS movies in most stores!
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The tuners in VCRs are still analog.

Unless the VCR manfactures change the tuner to a digital tuner "ATSC" then VCR are not worth selling anymore because who want to buy a recording devices with analog tuners that no longer works.

Yes you still can use VCR for Composite or S-Video in but still limited to i480 resolution so if you try to record with VCR from a HDTV STB / Cable Box you wil lose lots of picture chopped off on left and right side on VCR recording.

So people don't want to lose chopped off picture during recording either. I think VCR will only have VCR/DVD combo player with no station tuner on it.


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Well, yes, they probably won't sell them anymore, but it's a marketing decision, not a technology question. VCR's will still function, analog TV will not. That is what I am trying to say...VCR's are not magically going *poof* on 2/17/09 the way analog TV is.

Not everybody has HDTV by the way...I am quite happy with my regular TV! When I view my in-laws' HDTV I don't really think it is that super...
 
rhr said:
No, VCR is no longer then people are angry becuase no more analog will no longer on feb 17, 2009, all Sony, JVC, Samsung will no longer VCR, they make new DVR (Digital Video Rrecond). they will use OTA, CableTV or CableTV CableCard all in one soon because DVR (motorlia, Moxi etc..) is now for only CableTV Company (Cox, Comcast, TWC,) are lousy, I like best Sony, JVC, Samsung etc.. for DVR support OTA without CableTV
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VCR has nothing with analog OTA, both of them are separated, also VCR would still sell at store after Feb 17, 2009 until no one want buy it then VCR will be completely legacy, unless if you means digital OTA isn't compatible with VCR for record then okay, I understand how you feel.

Additional, I don't realize that TWC use Motorola HD receiver now, they previously use receiver from Scientific Atlanta, I'm formerly consumer at TWC when lived with parent in LA area.
 
rhr said:
CableTV Company (Cox, Comcast, TWC,) are lousy, I like best Sony, JVC, Samsung etc.. for DVR support OTA without CableTV
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Depending where you live in city, suburb or county. Type of building Apt, Condo, rowhouse, townhouse, and single house.

What kind of Antenna (greatest OTA)? Indoor or outside antenna

Our local:
Some are not great signals by OTA. Like CW HD and PBS HD are too weak signal. Fox HD is not great signal.

Day vs Night:
ABC is weak signal in during day time. Great at night time.

That's why we are tired of play with Antenna for day or night.
 
How come off topic like DVR and VCR from start subject "Sony HDTV & Caption Issues"? Who was start off topic?

They sell DVD/VCR recorder. Most important to check "ATSC" before buy DVD/VCR machine.

Not see any electronic stores sell DVR without cable/dish plan. They just sell TIVO (same as DVR). TIVO is not great OTA. TIVO is not free service unless they have special offer one time pay (free for lifetime).
 
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Few people complain about lousy CC or picture then blame SONY or Polaroid or any brands.
Believe me that all Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, etc are nothing wrong with CC or picture.
Repeat I said depending..... Where do you live in city or suburb or county? How far airport?, type of building? Heavy forest? etc.

I wonder, do you know how to use setup on signal strenght and adjust antenna? All brand HDTVs are not same style scale.

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They will won't lock signal strenght for all channels by OTA.

You need to know more about OTA and HDTV
Sound & Vision Magazine - HDTV Over the Air
OTA HD demystified - Engadget HD
Address

I am not going to research for you. You can use google to search something what you need more information.


Go ahead to find 1970's black & white TV set at Goodwill or somewhere. It will be clear picture as sharp better than color TV set. That's sad news for analog will unplug on Feb 2009.

Try to find early 60's BW TV set. Turn TV on. 15 minutes later, you turn TV off. You will have fun to see slow small glow dot until disappear.
 
I hate VCR, I hate keep 3 Channel, can't multi channel, only single. I have DVR, can save reconder per channel, if two busy recaonder, I can player wow than VCR

Etoile said:
VCR has nothing to do with DTV transition. VCR is how you make a copy of what you're watching. Has nothing to do with how you get the signal to your house. DVR is another way to make a copy of what you're watching.

Here is more information:
Using a VCR to record programming from a DTV converter box

VCRs are going to be around for a long time. The technology is not completely dead yet. You can buy new VHS movies in most stores!
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Please stop, you not understand. I don't have VCR. I have DVR with Digital Cable..

I talk you about No longer VCR. if people have use vcr with analog. Feb 17, 2009. No longer Analog, people are angry no linger VCR, they need channel save to Reconder, how??? DVR is only CableTV, Motolina, Tivo (months), etc.. only for CableTV not OTA. I know JVC, Sony, Samsung will make new DVR for OTA future, understand?
 
mojovase said:
Just bought a new Sony HDTV and am juggling between two CC: analog and digital.

The digital captions are terrible. The analogs are far better and smoother to read, instead of jumping up on the screen.

Downside to that is the analog CC has mediocre picture quality. HD is far better, but crappy captions.

Any suggestions as to how to set up the TV to get the best of both worlds? Ideally, I'd like to watch programs in HD with the older CC mode.

JD
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Depends on which model you have. I believe you can select which cc service you want based on the input selection. One major problem I have with my Sony is that when you select CC on mute, the stupid muting text remains on the screen and blocks out a portion of the cc area. I would love to meet the boneheaded engineer that came up with that one.
 
I think Sony makes the best CC decoder in their TVs. I downloaded manuals from different brands and I find Sony's CC to be the best. They thought of everything. I agree with the "Muting" text covering CC texts is a bad design.

I have a five year old Sony 60" LCD rear projection TV. It was one of the first with built-in ATSC and digital CC. Five years later, CC features in today's Sony TVs (as well as other brands) are heavily loaded compared to mine.

Now, off topic. People who have difficulty understanding difference between analog and digital CC need to research more. Yes, it's complicated and extremely confusing.

1) If you use VCR to record OTA programs, then it won't work after Feb 2009. You will need to buy an OTA Digital Video Recorder (DVR).
2) If you use VCR to record cable programs, then it should work until cable goes 100% digital and 0% analog. I have no idea when that will happen.
3) If you use VCR to playback old tapes, then keep it.

To make your lives easier and if you have enough money, this is what you need to do as a minimum:

1) Buy a new HDTV. Make sure it's widescreen (over 90% are widescreen).
2) If you use antenna (OTA) only and want to record programs, buy an OTA DVR. Make sure DVR has CC decoder. TiVO is one of them but I don't know how good they are. Use Google to find other OTA DVR. I built a Home Theater PC (HTPC) with Windows Vista Media Center Edition that has two HDTV tuners and I can record two different HDTV programs at the same time. Also, CC works great. This HTPC is not cheap and easily costs over a $1000.
3) If you use cable or satellite and want to watch/record HDTV or digital programs, then buy HDTV subscription including HDTV DVR. Once again, make sure DVR comes with CC deocder.

Peter
 
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Good Job,

about Tivo DVR, I like it but it is $13-17 months or $300-500 for lifetime (lies), I don't want Tivo DVR's guidetv fee. I will wait for sony, jvc, samsoung, will free guideTV soon

HTPC / Vista Media Center line - lousy CC program, becuase they in center won't work buttom line also small size than all HDTV / DVR CC large size. If who will fix Vista Media Center's larage CC, I will quit DVR, I will keep HTPC, but they never fix, I keep DVR also HTPC Reconder to BurnDVD won't work CC! :-(, Do you know Recorder to BurnDVD CC work? no?

peternagy said:
I think Sony makes the best CC decoder in their TVs. I downloaded manuals from different brands and I find Sony's CC to be the best. They thought of everything. I agree with the "Muting" text covering CC texts is a bad design.

I have a five year old Sony 60" LCD rear projection TV. It was one of the first with built-in ATSC and digital CC. Five years later, CC features in today's Sony TVs (as well as other brands) are heavily loaded compared to mine.

Now, off topic. People who have difficulty understanding difference between analog and digital CC need to research more. Yes, it's complicated and extremely confusing.

1) If you use VCR to record OTA programs, then it won't work after Feb 2009. You will need to buy an OTA Digital Video Recorder (DVR).
2) If you use VCR to record cable programs, then it should work until cable goes 100% digital and 0% analog. I have no idea when that will happen.
3) If you use VCR to playback old tapes, then keep it.

To make your lives easier and if you have enough money, this is what you need to do as a minimum:

1) Buy a new HDTV. Make sure it's widescreen (over 90% are widescreen).
2) If you use antenna (OTA) only and want to record programs, buy an OTA DVR. Make sure DVR has CC decoder. TiVO is one of them but I don't know how good they are. Use Google to find other OTA DVR. I built a Home Theater PC (HTPC) with Windows Vista Media Center Edition that has two HDTV tuners and I can record two different HDTV programs at the same time. Also, CC works great. This HTPC is not cheap and easily costs over a $1000.
3) If you use cable or satellite and want to watch/record HDTV or digital programs, then buy HDTV subscription including HDTV DVR. Once again, make sure DVR comes with CC deocder.

Peter
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peternagy said:
I think Sony makes the best CC decoder in their TVs. I downloaded manuals from different brands and I find Sony's CC to be the best. They thought of everything. I agree with the "Muting" text covering CC texts is a bad design.

I have a five year old Sony 60" LCD rear projection TV. It was one of the first with built-in ATSC and digital CC. Five years later, CC features in today's Sony TVs (as well as other brands) are heavily loaded compared to mine.

Now, off topic. People who have difficulty understanding difference between analog and digital CC need to research more. Yes, it's complicated and extremely confusing.

1) If you use VCR to record OTA programs, then it won't work after Feb 2009. You will need to buy an OTA Digital Video Recorder (DVR).
2) If you use VCR to record cable programs, then it should work until cable goes 100% digital and 0% analog. I have no idea when that will happen.
3) If you use VCR to playback old tapes, then keep it.

To make your lives easier and if you have enough money, this is what you need to do as a minimum:

1) Buy a new HDTV. Make sure it's widescreen (over 90% are widescreen).
2) If you use antenna (OTA) only and want to record programs, buy an OTA DVR. Make sure DVR has CC decoder. TiVO is one of them but I don't know how good they are. Use Google to find other OTA DVR. I built a Home Theater PC (HTPC) with Windows Vista Media Center Edition that has two HDTV tuners and I can record two different HDTV programs at the same time. Also, CC works great. This HTPC is not cheap and easily costs over a $1000.
3) If you use cable or satellite and want to watch/record HDTV or digital programs, then buy HDTV subscription including HDTV DVR. Once again, make sure DVR comes with CC deocder.

Peter
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Analog cable is scheduled to shut down in 2012, just 3 and half year to left.
 
Compare with analog and digital cable.

Analog cable
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Digital cable
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rhr said:
Good Job,

about Tivo DVR, I like it but it is $13-17 months or $300-500 for lifetime (lies), I don't want Tivo DVR's guidetv fee. I will wait for sony, jvc, samsoung, will free guideTV soon

HTPC / Vista Media Center line - lousy CC program, becuase they in center won't work buttom line also small size than all HDTV / DVR CC large size. If who will fix Vista Media Center's larage CC, I will quit DVR, I will keep HTPC, but they never fix, I keep DVR also HTPC Reconder to BurnDVD won't work CC! :-(, Do you know Recorder to BurnDVD CC work? no?
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What about DVD recorder?
 
LG - Multiformat DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW/RAM Recorder/4-Head Hi-Fi VCR Combo - RC897T

* Record TV, movies or music to DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW and DVD-RAM media
* Delivers greatly enhanced video performance by upconverting the video of standard DVDs to 1080p resolution (via HDMI output)
* Plays back VHS, DVD, DVD+R/RW, DVD-R/RW, CD, CD-R/RW, MP3, WMA, JPEG and MPEG-4 formats

* Build an entire DVD library by recording all your favorite TV shows, sports, movies and home videos onto nondegradable, digital-quality DVDs
* Built-in ATSC digital/NTSC/Clear QAM TV tuner lets you record directly from TV onto DVD media
* Dolby Digital AC3 and digital PCM sound decoding for a lush audioscape
* 3 selectable aspect modes for a cinema-style viewing experience
* DVD/CD playback modes include zoom, marker, search, scan forward, scan reverse, slow-motion forward, slow-motion reverse, 1.5x playback, repeat all, repeat title, programmed track/chapter and random; still picture and slow-motion VHS playback features
* 2-way dubbing capability lets you record VHS footage to DVD media or DVD movies and video to VHS tapes
* JPEG viewer lets you view your digital photos on the TV screen
* USB port for quick and easy connection of an MP3 player, digital camera, USB flash drive or other digital USB device
* 54MHz/10-bit video digital-to-analog (D/A) conversion rate; 48kHz/16-bit audio digital-to-analog (D/A) conversion rate
* Inputs: A/V, DVI, analog audio, composite video
* Outputs: HDMI, analog audio, optical digital audio, coaxial digital audio, composite video, S-video, component video
* Includes remote, batteries, RCA A/V cable, RF cable and IR transmitter cable

There's you go, I'm not sure if they allow to copies CC into DVD media as well.
 
rhr said:
Good Job,

about Tivo DVR, I like it but it is $13-17 months or $300-500 for lifetime (lies), I don't want Tivo DVR's guidetv fee. I will wait for sony, jvc, samsoung, will free guideTV soon

HTPC / Vista Media Center line - lousy CC program, becuase they in center won't work buttom line also small size than all HDTV / DVR CC large size. If who will fix Vista Media Center's larage CC, I will quit DVR, I will keep HTPC, but they never fix, I keep DVR also HTPC Reconder to BurnDVD won't work CC! :-(, Do you know Recorder to BurnDVD CC work? no?
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Wow, your eyesight is not as good as I thought. Vista Media Center allows you to adjust font size but their largest fonts may not be big enough for you. I thought the font sizes were pretty big.

The location of CC text does not bother me too much. They are mostly near the bottom of the screen but some shows display CC at near middle of the screen but I have 60" TV and CC texts appear mostly below middle of the screen.

Unfortunately, Media Center does not preserve CC when copying to DVD. You could buy an external hard drive (USB or firwire) and record programs there and CC will still be preserved. You will still have to use Media Center to play back.

Peter
 
peternagy said:
Wow, your eyesight is not as good as I thought. Vista Media Center allows you to adjust font size but their largest fonts may not be big enough for you. I thought the font sizes were pretty big.

The location of CC text does not bother me too much. They are mostly near the bottom of the screen but some shows display CC at near middle of the screen but I have 60" TV and CC texts appear mostly below middle of the screen.

Unfortunately, Media Center does not preserve CC when copying to DVD. You could buy an external hard drive (USB or firwire) and record programs there and CC will still be preserved. You will still have to use Media Center to play back.

Peter
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Damn. technology get twisted up and seem that we have to figure out how to make this work and successful. ugh....
 
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