Son of God

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Liebling))
Yes, I know what you are saying. You took Reba's advice and read your bible to find out what Reba explained you, right? If yes which mean is that Reba convinced you with the help from her explanation. It's your decision either you agree with your bible after took Reba's advice/explanation. I know you do not took Reba's word because those word doesn't belong Reba but her bible.

I can't convince anyone to accept my words. I can give explanations and references. I encourage people to read the references for themselves. But I let the Holy Spirit do the convincing. That's His responsibility, not mine. If a person has a tender, open heart, then the Holy Spirit can teach and convict.

If I really had such "power" to convince ADers to follow my beliefs then why are so many people (you included) not yet convinced? I'll tell you why. Because I can convince NO ONE! I don't want to convince any one. If people make spiritual decisions based on my words, THAT IS WRONG! The right way is to read God's Word for one's self, and let the Holy Spirit do the convincing.

I don't mind explaining verses to my best understanding, or pointing out relevant verses. But the bottom line is, I encourage people to read, think, and decide for themselves. If they truly seek, the Holy Spirit will guide.

Can you show me where I claim that you convinced Cheri to accept your word? I never said it. I only said that you convince Cheri to read her bible to find out herself with the help from your explanation (verus etc). It's Cheri's decision to take your advice or not. I do not see anything that I said that you force Cheri to take your advice and make her to beleive you. All what I said is: I know it's not your word but your bible and help Cheri to read the bible to find out and decide herself either she take your advice or not. She choose to take your advice/explanation which mean is she agrees with you. This is her decision. Next time, please re-read my post carefully.

 

[Secretblend]

Why make you said that JW bible is not Holy bible?

For your information, I am not here to defend JW but respect their belief where I grow up with JW people and went same school with them. It doesn't mean that I am JW because I involved with JW people in the past. It's good that they respect me as the same I respect them in return.

Because anything added to Holy Bible is not part of Bible. The Bible was complete within 100 years of Christ's death. Anything added to Holy Bible after that is man's writing therefore is not part of God's word. That's why I believe JW is not part of Holy Bible.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Liebling)) Yes, we do have proof is original pictures and original films. My MIL met Hilter in real life when she was 12 years old. We have many Nazi survivors who shared their stories during Nazi times, also deaf surviours as well.

What about famous historical figures for whom there are no photographs, films, or living witnesses? Do you believe they existed? If so, how?

(I pasted my post, you quoted to). Do you mean that MIL was liar when she said that she met Hilter in real life without pictures of them, also survivors during Nazi times as well? I beleive my MIL and survivors because they are the one who had been through, not us. Of course they do have original films, pictures etc of Nazi times... Nazi time belongs famous historical figures. Or you mean different like 1800 or what? If yes, Yes, they do have original things, portrait paintings... in castles... museum...

Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Mark 1:11
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

II Peter 1
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

None of list said that Jesus claimed that he is God or Son of God or God's Son. All what I see is they wrote what they know about Jesus. This list, they wrote about God who introduced Jesus as his beloved Son.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Your QUOTE IS SOOO BEAUTIFULLLL AND MORE REAL!

Liebling, I am 100% with your side, because you know the reality from the truth and history. My heart is with your heart, I believe in the reality of realitc truth and history people can't change like today many people already changed their life of the reality into fantasy land like wonderland stories.

Jesus was real in the human being like us since he was born from woman like us did born from our mothers. He and us are childern of God. Because we Knew He is the son of God like us.

You better stay upon your feet, I don't let someone make you fall from feet.

:Oops: for cute compliment... Yes I stand what I beleive in reality which mean is truth and history, not fanastic and imaginery...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes We also believe Jesus is Son of God as part of trinty. We belive in God, the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as 3 into One. JW does not believe Jesus is Son of God or He is God and also JW does not believe in trinity.

Yes, that's right. JW do not beleive in trinity. They beleive Jesus as God's Son.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well u know some of us do not believe in man's theroy alike Darwin's about evolution. I do not believe we came from monkey. They have no proof that we came from monkey. But that is your believe. I have no problem with it.

I never said that I beleive we came from monkey. I only said that I feel that Evoluation is a real which doesn't mean that 100% yet. I personally do not beleive that we came from monkey because of no proof.

I personally beleive that there're more people around during Eve & Adam's creation which mean is cavemen time. I have seen original drawing in the cave in Kent, England and also their bones, etc in scientic museum in London. Why I beleive is because if we come from Eve & Adam's time which mean that we all have same blood group but we have different blood group... Why? It could be that people around during Eve & Adam's creation.

Yes it is true our churches do have statues, so what and it does not mean I worshop statues as everyone here led to believe. That is lie. To me they are just arts, just alike famous painter who done some beautiful arts in Rome. I loved his work.

I am not saying that you worship statues but some people. Yes, I has to agree with you that they are just arts who decorate beautiful in the churches. Some people including myself said it's false when the people worship statues because they think statues are God.

Well I do know what Jesus Christ look alike when He revealed to me one night but it does not mean He is same image I keep see HIm to everyone else. It is His words in the bible, Bless those whom not see than those whom see.( I need to find the verse of bible to make it right, but I need to get off computer and go to bed)

Yes, I experienced Jesus in my dream. I stated my post at Momoftwo's thread somewhere. I will provide the link here when I find it.

Edit: Found Momoftwo's thread...
http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity...-anyone-who-had-experienced-seeing-jesus.html

God is everywhere, I love His work and I love what He did to Earth.

Yes I agree that God is everywhere but not in the church.

 

[Cheri]

:Oops: for cute compliment... Yes I stand what I beleive in reality which mean is truth and history, not fanastic and imaginery...

So God is just fantastic and imaginary? Jesus did not really die for our sins? Is that what you think all of this is just a fairy tale?

I'm sorry but you may think you know the truth, but honestly you don't.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So God is just fantastic and imaginary? Jesus did not really die for our sins? Is that what you think all of this is just a fairy tale?

Can you show me where have I say that God and Jesus are just fantastic and imaginary, fairy tale? I am sure that some ADers remember my past posts that I beleive Jesus's existence and doubt God's existence with positive reasons, that's all. I do not see anything that XBGMER & I talked bad about Jesus and God. This is a false accusation of you.

I'm sorry but you may think you know the truth, but honestly you don't.

I said the same thing about you as well. You beleive in book and I beleive in reality.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Because anything added to Holy Bible is not part of Bible. The Bible was complete within 100 years of Christ's death. Anything added to Holy Bible after that is man's writing therefore is not part of God's word. That's why I believe JW is not part of Holy Bible.

for response my post. I understand your point but I can't say anything against JW or any relgious beleifs and say their bibles are not part of Holy Bible or whatever but show my respect on them.

I'm sure that you know my posts that I want to beleive if there're only ONE bible or any bibles with SAME interpretation.

 

[Cheri]

. I do not see anything that XBGMER & I talked bad about Jesus and God. This is a false accusation of you.

I asked a question, do you have any idea what a question means to you, I quoted your post because you were the one who said it, all you should have respond was an answer instead of all what you said above. Sounds like to me you are the one who's upset at questions that are being asked to you. Do you always bashed people for asking questions?

I said the same thing about you as well. You beleive in book and I beleive in reality

People learned about their history when we weren't there during their time, Your decide to judged the history based on your acknowledge, how is that the reality?

 

[Reba]

Can you show me where I claim that you convinced Cheri to accept your word? I never said it. I only said that you convince Cheri to read her bible to find out herself with the help from your explanation (verus etc). It's Cheri's decision to take your advice or not. I do not see anything that I said that you force Cheri to take your advice and make her to beleive you. All what I said is: I know it's not your word but your bible and help Cheri to read the bible to find out and decide herself either she take your advice or not. She choose to take your advice/explanation which mean is she agrees with you. This is her decision. Next time, please re-read my post carefully.

Can you show me where I claim that you made a claim? No, I didn't say that. I only expounded on what you did post in order to make my position clear. Don't be so paranoid; it's not always all about you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I asked a question, do you have any idea what a question means to you, I quoted your post because you were the one who said it, all you should have respond was an answer instead of all what you said above. Sounds like to me you are the one who's upset at questions that are being asked to you. Do you always bashed people for asking questions?

Excuse me, I know what kind of question is about but your question, you made toward me is not friendly question. You should question me like that..."What do you mean about fanastic and imaginery...? Can you explain me example what it is about or what's your thought or whatever" instead of use God and Jesus in your post because we never mentioned Jesus and God in my previous post with XBGMER.

People learned about their history when we weren't there during their time, Your decide to judged the history based on your acknowledge, how is that the reality?

Yes, that's right we learn about any history when we have proof of their original history like original things, etc is a reality but just book without proof when we know there're many bibles with different interpretation. How could we know which accurate?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Can you show me where I claim that you made a claim? No, I didn't say that. I only expounded on what you did post in order to make my position clear. Don't be so paranoid; it's not always all about you.

I already pasted my post to add my quote post toward you to explain and question you in manner way.

No, you are the one who are paraniod and think all about you because you said in your own word that you only expounded my post which mean that my post toward Cheri is not good enough for you?

I positive my post to Cheri about you. I wasn't realized that you quoted to convince me what you are. Of course I know... You said that you are not convince anyone to accept your word. I asked you a simple question where have I say that you convinced Cheri to accept your word. I wasn't realized that you made a problem because of this.

*sigh* I thought I positive you in my post to Cheri. I am sorry that I am wrong... *sigh* - I give up...

 

[Reba]

(I pasted my post, you quoted to). Do you mean that MIL was liar when she said that she met Hilter in real life without pictures of them, also survivors during Nazi times as well? I beleive my MIL and survivors because they are the one who had been through, not us. Of course they do have original films, pictures etc of Nazi times... Nazi time belongs famous historical figures. Or you mean different like 1800 or what? If yes, Yes, they do have original things, portrait paintings... in castles... museum...

No, I never said or implied that your MIL was liar. I don't know where you got that idea. That had nothing to do with my question.

I'm talking about historical people who lived before there were cameras. How do you know they existed? How do you know what they said or did? What about George Washington, Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Shakespeare, Ponce de Leon, Montezuma, Christopher Columbus, Marco Polo, Cicero, Plato, etc.? Are there any living witnesses to their lives?

None of list said that Jesus claimed that he is God or Son of God or God's Son. All what I see is they wrote what they know about Jesus. This list, they wrote about God who introduced Jesus as his beloved Son.

God Himself said, "this is My beloved Son." If you can't believe a father who says, "this is my son", then I guess you can't believe anyone.

 

[Reba]

No, you are the one who are paraniod and think all about you because you said in your own word that you only expounded my post which mean that my post toward Cheri is not good enough for you?

No, I didn't say it wasn't good enough. I just wanted my position to be clear to anyone who read it.

I wasn't realized that you made a problem because of this.

No problem.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, I never said or implied that your MIL was liar. I don't know where you got that idea. That had nothing to do with my question.

Okay, I thought because you quoted my post.

I'm talking about historical people who lived before there were cameras. How do you know they existed? How do you know what they said or did? What about George Washington, Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Shakespeare, Ponce de Leon, Montezuma, Christopher Columbus, Marco Polo, Cicero, Plato, etc.? Are there any living witnesses to their lives?

That's what I figure out because I was like confused when you quoted my post to question because my post is about my MIL and survivors. Okay...

Well, I only beleive in original things what they have... Yes... without original things... I don't know or not. I only beleive what I saw in museum, castles, portiat paintings... that's time they use portiat paintings when they don't have camera and film... and also original things, like letters, clothes, etc.

God Himself said, "this is My beloved Son." If you can't believe a father who says, "this is my son", then I guess you can't believe anyone.

Yes, I know. They wrote that God said "this is My beloved Son" which mean that God claim that Jesus is his beloved Son. I only want to know where Jesus claimed himself that he is God, Son of God or God's Son.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, I didn't say it wasn't good enough. I just wanted my position to be clear to anyone who read it.


No problem.

Understand and acceptance.

 

[Reba]

Well, I only beleive in original things what they have... Yes... without original things... I don't know or not. I only beleive what I saw in museum, castles, portiat paintings... that's time they use portiat paintings when they don't have camera and film... and also original things, like letters, clothes, etc.

What about people who never had their portraits painted, nor lived in castles, nor left behind "original things"? Did they exist?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What about people who never had their portraits painted, nor lived in castles, nor left behind "original things"? Did they exist?

I don't know.

Sometimes my feeling tell me to beleive this. I beleive in my heart that Jesus's existence.

The reason why I would like to go Egypt with my family for holiday this year to find out myself. I like to see original things...Now I am unsure about go there because of risk. I really love to go Isresal one day to see original things... but too risky...

 

[Hwy99]

God was Jesus in flesh, God went in the body of Jesus. (Therefore Jesus was God)

Satan was hoping to win Jesus's body, but he lost. Jesus has defeated Satan (John 12:31). Satan wants us all in hell with him so that he would not have to suffer alone, Satan already been judged, He knows that he is going to hell (lake of fire) on the second coming of Christ. We have not been judged yet, until the second coming of Christ.

The devil’s final end will be in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10)
Which was prepared by God for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

Satan has the whole world of unbelievers under his control (Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30; 1 John 5:19).

But what about Jesus himself exclude God and Satan?