Some restaurant owners worry about customers openly carrying guns

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CORPUS CHRISTI -
Local restaurant owners have mixed feelings about Texas's Open Carry Law, which takes effect January 1st.

Some are okay with the coming change, some aren't, and some are on the fence.

Restaurants are private property, so it's up to them to decide if their customers can have guns in their establishments.

Malcolm DeShields owns "The Barbeque Man", off I-37.

He's always been okay with customers having concealed guns, but he's not too sure he wants guns just hanging there on peoples' hips, where someone else could potentially grab it.

Plus, he doesn't want his customers to feel uncomfortable.

"There's a guy sitting next to you with a gun, and you may not care about guns, or want to go to a place that guns are just right out there in the open, especially with your children," DeShields says.

If he finds his customers are indeed uncomfortable, he'll ban guns from his restaurant.

Some restaurant owners are fine with openly carried guns.

Sandra Clark runs Sandi's Diner on Ayers near the post office.

She welcomes them in her establishment.

"I think that it's a safety issue. So, if something happens at my diner and someone's in there, it may be better for the good," Clark says.

In case you didn't know, in Texas, you can't carry guns, concealed or open, in a bar.

In Texas, you're classified as a bar if at least 51 percent of your sales is consistently alcohol.

If you have questions about the new open carry law, here's a helpful link: CLICK HERE - DPS Summary for Open Carry Law

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[jonnyghost]

It's the gun you don't see that should concern you.

 

[seb]

It's only a matter of time before the people who want to shoot people will go out in an open carry state, pull out their gun or guns and start mowing people down.

 

[caz]

It put me off me food if person on next table loaded.I not push it to get tip if waiter and chef must be worried it cooked ok

 

[jonnyghost]

It's only a matter of time before the people who want to shoot people will go out in an open carry state, pull out their gun or guns and start mowing people down.

Funny, seems to be quite the trend towards shooters going to gun free zones. Personally I'd rather be surrounded by armed citizens than unarmed sheep when the stuff goes down.

 

[seb]

Funny, seems to be quite the trend towards shooters going to gun free zones. Personally I'd rather be surrounded by armed citizens than unarmed sheep when the stuff goes down.

My point is that open carry is going to play into someone hell bent on killing a lot of people because they will not draw suspicion when they come in carrying a firearm. But hey, as long as someone who also is carrying a gun doesn't become one of the first ones shot, they will hopefully take the gunman out.

 

[Reba]

My point is that open carry is going to play into someone hell bent on killing a lot of people because they will not draw suspicion when they come in carrying a firearm. But hey, as long as someone who also is carrying a gun doesn't become one of the first ones shot, they will hopefully take the gunman out.

Of all the recent mass shootings, has a lack of open carry permission stopped any of the shooters?

That would be--no.

In other words, permitting open carry would NOT make it easier for the mass shooters to attack.

I'm not generally a supporter of open carry but not for the reason you gave.

 

[seb]

Of all the recent mass shootings, has a lack of open carry permission stopped any of the shooters?

That would be--no.

In other words, permitting open carry would NOT make it easier for the mass shooters to attack.

I'm not generally a supporter of open carry but not for the reason you gave.

Jury is still out as to whether open carry will stop any of these shootings, since the shooters have picked their targets to be basically ducks on a pond. There targets of schools, movie theaters, clinics, etc. are less apt to be armed, so until they pick a place where people might be armed such as a police station or we get lucky and have someone with a gun to go toe to toe with one of these wackos we won't know.

Think back to the shooters in LA years ago that were heavily armed and had body armor on and the cops kept shooting them and nothing happened until the two gunman took themselves out. The cops had guns, the shooters had guns and it basically did not change the fact that the shooters could shoot at will.

 

[sonocativo]

It's the gun you don't see that should concern you.

Yeah a criminal will have second thoughts robbing you or anyone when its 100 to 1 with guns.
Then again, if a criminal doesnt know whos armed, he just wrote a check for a whoop ass he cant cash.

 

[sonocativo]

Missouri is open carry but in the City of St. Louis jurisdiction only concealed carry is allowed, so check local laws for each city/county so you know.

There was an Open Carry march in the city awhile back to test the laws, they marched from city hall ( Police headquarters is across the street) to the riverfront with no issue.... so its not really enforced unless theres a complaint...oddly enough.

 

[sonocativo]

Jury is still out as to whether open carry will stop any of these shootings, since the shooters have picked their targets to be basically ducks on a pond. There targets of schools, movie theaters, clinics, etc. are less apt to be armed, so until they pick a place where people might be armed such as a police station or we get lucky and have someone with a gun to go toe to toe with one of these wackos we won't know.

Think back to the shooters in LA years ago that were heavily armed and had body armor on and the cops kept shooting them and nothing happened until the two gunman took themselves out. The cops had guns, the shooters had guns and it basically did not change the fact that the shooters could shoot at will.

Only issue with open carry is... if a criminal is going to commit a crime and you have an open carry, Guess what? Yep, that person is their #1 target, eliminate their threat first. Concealed carry, well, they dont know what they walked into. Now if its 100 open carry to 1 shooter, yeah he may have second thought and leave but then theres that odd of committing the crime elsewhere where the victims are easier ( unarmed. )

 

[Lau2046]

It's only a matter of time before the people who want to shoot people will go out in an open carry state, pull out their gun or guns and start mowing people down.

You mean terrorist haven't been doing this already?

Laura

 

[sonocativo]

My point is that open carry is going to play into someone hell bent on killing a lot of people because they will not draw suspicion when they come in carrying a firearm. But hey, as long as someone who also is carrying a gun doesn't become one of the first ones shot, they will hopefully take the gunman out.

Id rather see someone walk in carrying a gun on their hip , knowing Im either safe or focusing on that target....
A criminal isnt going to "wear" his gun.... easy enough to pick out the winners and losers.

 

[jonnyghost]

My point is that open carry is going to play into someone hell bent on killing a lot of people because they will not draw suspicion when they come in carrying a firearm. But hey, as long as someone who also is carrying a gun doesn't become one of the first ones shot, they will hopefully take the gunman out.

But it doesn't matter. They could just throw a coat over it. I don't open carry because I don't like to make people uncomfortable and it makes no difference to my effectiveness. Also people open carrying make me no more nervious than anyone else I see because anyone could be armed. Maine in the winter you could hide a folding stock ak 47 under a heavy coat.

 

[sonocativo]

But it doesn't matter. They could just throw a coat over it. I don't open carry because I don't like to make people uncomfortable and it makes no difference to my effectiveness. Also people open carrying make me no more nervious than anyone else I see because anyone could be armed. Maine in the winter you could hide a folding stock ak 47 under a heavy coat.

You can hide a bomb vest too.

 

[seb]

You mean terrorist haven't been doing this already?

Laura

Don't know if they have done it in an open carry state or not.

 

[seb]

You can hide a bomb vest too.

Exactly! Many of these shooters plan on dying anyway so they really don't care whether where they are going is an open carry place or not. All they want to do is kill as many people as they can before they themselves are killed or they kill themselves.

Furthermore, if everyone is carrying a loaded firearm these people will probably resort to blowing themselves and all the others around them up, because they are ready to die and they probably really don't care how they kill their victims just as long as they kill a lot of them, so in this case a gun isn't really going to do the person who's carrying it much good. Just look at the Middle East and see how many people are blowing themselves up and that is with a lot of people around them who are armed.

 

[sonocativo]

Jury is still out as to whether open carry will stop any of these shootings, since the shooters have picked their targets to be basically ducks on a pond. There targets of schools, movie theaters, clinics, etc. are less apt to be armed, so until they pick a place where people might be armed such as a police station or we get lucky and have someone with a gun to go toe to toe with one of these wackos we won't know.

Think back to the shooters in LA years ago that were heavily armed and had body armor on and the cops kept shooting them and nothing happened until the two gunman took themselves out. The cops had guns, the shooters had guns and it basically did not change the fact that the shooters could shoot at will.

Dont know if you read a different one than I did and seen.. The cops got smart and started shooting the head and ankles.

 

[sonocativo]

Exactly! Many of these shooters plan on dying anyway so they really don't care whether where they are going is an open carry place or not. All they want to do is kill as many people as they can before they themselves are killed or they kill themselves.

Furthermore, if everyone is carrying a loaded firearm these people will probably resort to blowing themselves and all the others around them up, because they are ready to die and they probably really don't care how they kill their victims just as long as they kill a lot of them, so in this case a gun isn't really going to do the person who's carrying it much good. Just look at the Middle East and see how many people are blowing themselves up and that is with a lot of people around them who are armed.

They are killing their own... good for them, keep it there.
Over here, it needs to stop.
The big difference is.... you guessed it, Our country wants to fight back ( carry guns ) and stop these idiots.
Their country wants to coward and run....
Now, which is the better choice? I choose to carry and fight back, Im not running to a strange country I dont know, crying for a handout, detroying their world with unruly demands and forcing my beliefs upon them.

 

[seb]

Dont know if you read a different one than I did and seen.. The cops got smart and started shooting the head and ankles.

Not with the shooters in LA, the cops first ran into gun stores and bought weapons that were more powerful than what they carried and then they kept shooting at the center mass as they were trained to do. It wasn't until the shooters decided to end it and shoot themselves in the head that it ended.

A friend of mine who is a retired cop and his partner were was once in a shootout with them on one side of a car and the person they were shooting at on the other, well after more than 50 shots and no hits on either side it ended when the dude they were shooting at ran out of bullets. When I asked them why they didn't look under the car and shoot at his feet or legs they looked at me and told me that wasn't how they were trained. Common sense and police work don't really go together.