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Fontana school police are armed with semiautomatic rifles - Los Angeles Times

Fontana school police are armed with semiautomatic rifles
The recent purchase of the Colt rifles draws criticism and sparks an effort to ban such weapons on school campuses.
January 23, 2013|By Stephen Ceasar, Los Angeles Times

Police officers in the Fontana Unified School District were armed recently with semiautomatic rifles, drawing sharp criticism and sparking an effort to ban such weapons on school campuses.

The Colt military-style rifles, which cost about $1,000 each, are kept in safes when officers are on campus and will be used only in "extreme emergency cases" like the massacre in Newtown, Conn., Supt. Cali Olsen-Binks said.


The district purchased the rifles in October and received them in December, before the tragedy in Newtown, where a gunman killed 26 people — 20 of them children — at an elementary school. The shooting sparked debate on whether armed school guards could prevent these types of tragedies.

The purchase was not spurred by a specific event, Fontana Unified School District police Chief Billy Green said. The rifles are designed to increase shooting accuracy and provide the 14 officers with more effective power against assailants wearing body armor, Green said, adding that those capabilities are necessary for officers to stop a well-armed gunman.

"If you know of a better way to stop someone on campus that's killing children or staff members with a rifle, I'd like to hear it," he said. "I don't think it's best to send my people in to stop them with just handguns."

"I hope we would never have to use it," Green said. "But if we do, I'd like them to be prepared."

Several other school districts have similar weapons but policies differ on whether they are brought on campus or left in patrol car trunks or administration buildings.

Fontana school police bought the guns for about $14,000, which fell below the threshold that requires school board approval. School board members were not informed until after the purchase.

Board member Leticia Garcia said the police chief and superintendent should have alerted the five-member board and held a public hearing on the issue. She said arming officers with such weapons is a policy matter and should have been decided by the entire school district community, especially in light of the ongoing debate around the country.

Garcia, whose son attends Fontana High School, said she is working with local state legislators to draft a bill that would keep school police departments from taking these types of weapons onto campuses.

"We're turning our schools into a militarized zone," she said.

But the Fontana school superintendent said she believes it's a necessary evil to have the guns on campus to keep the 40,000-plus students and staff members safe. Officers have gone through training for the weapons, Olsen-Binks said.

"It balances providing that community-oriented openness at schools without compromising any kind of security for students and employees," she said.

Although she stopped short of saying the matter should have been put before the board, Olsen-Binks said doing so might have helped ease concerns.


"Having an opportunity for more community discussion is always a good thing," she said.

The rifles are kept either in the trunk of the police officer's vehicle or in a safe on campus.

Still, Garcia worries that bringing such a weapon on campus could lead to it falling into the wrong hands. An officer could be overtaken or someone could gain access to the safe, she said.

"Teenagers can get creative," Garcia said.

Green, however, dismissed that concern as unrealistic.

The Los Angeles Unified School District's police department has issued "patrol rifles" to officers on an as-needed basis, the district said in a statement. The department does not disclose the number of rifles given to officers.

Most San Diego Unified School District police officers have AR-15 rifles, Lt. Joe Florentino said. But the department did not buy the weapons; rather, officers were allowed to purchase their own — which many did, he said.

The rifles are kept in the trunk of the officer's vehicle and are not brought into school buildings. Although there is no policy yet, bringing the rifles into buildings is something the department is looking at, Florentino said.

"From a safety standpoint, we have police officers that want the weapons close by," he said. "If we keep them in the vehicle trunk, they would have to run to the car and grab it if they need it."

stephen.ceasar@latimes.com

This is a major debate going on all over our area on the controversy of these bushmaster's being stored at Fontana. It's one of the debates we also talk about in criminology.

I'm not sure if "fighting fire with fire" is the right response, but I do see it is the only response that seems to get somewhere to take care of people who don't deserve to be using rifles in the first place. I can see Fotana being a target for nutjobs who hear of these news.

The only other way around this kind of thing as I can see it, is to reduce or restrict the purchases of these rifles to only certain individuals who are exempt and not available to everyone who can legally purchase one.
 
Hmmm solutions like this make me wonder ... if someone entered the school and began shooting, how long would it take the officers to get their guns out of the trunks and/or safes? Would that money have been better spent in areas more specifically designed to stop weapons from entering the school in the first place?
 
Hmmm solutions like this make me wonder ... if someone entered the school and began shooting, how long would it take the officers to get their guns out of the trunks and/or safes? Would that money have been better spent in areas more specifically designed to stop weapons from entering the school in the first place?

if a major airport like JFK, LaGuardia, or O'Hare can't even prevent weapons and bombs from going thru security checkpoints.... then what is the point of spending an incredibly limited fund in such solution?
 
if a major airport like JFK, LaGuardia, or O'Hare can't even prevent weapons and bombs from going thru security checkpoints.... then what is the point of spending an incredibly limited fund in such solution?

Valid question in which I don't have an answer. Just as I don't have the answers for my own questions at this stage.
 
I have a question. Are they capable to shoot between the eyes? If so, then they don't need S/A weapons. Concealed handguns are good enough. That's my opinion so don't piss me off.
 
Valid question in which I don't have an answer. Just as I don't have the answers for my own questions at this stage.

I don't know if you have participated deeply in Newtown shooting thread but I believe this solution is the most sound one. The resource and limited fund are best spent on emergency protocols in case of shooting in order to minimize casualty.
 
I have a question. Are they capable to shoot between the eyes? If so, then they don't need S/A weapons. Concealed handguns are good enough. That's my opinion so don't piss me off.

no.
 
I don't know if you have participated deeply in Newtown shooting thread but I believe this solution is the most sound one. The resource and limited fund are best spent on emergency protocols in case of shooting in order to minimize casualty.

Participated deeply, no, but did read along. I understand that minimizing casualties is perhaps the best that can be done in certain scenarios. However, in this particular case, I wonder if a bunch of rifles locked outside the school and inside in safes is indeed the best way to minimize casualties.
 
I have a question. Are they capable to shoot between the eyes? If so, then they don't need S/A weapons. Concealed handguns are good enough. That's my opinion so don't piss me off.

No, and the children deserve better protection than that.
 
Participated deeply, no, but did read along. I understand that minimizing casualties is perhaps the best that can be done in certain scenarios. However, in this particular case, I wonder if a bunch of rifles locked outside the school and inside in safes is indeed the best way to minimize casualties.

my guess? not a damn thing.
 
Ignore him, he never seen gun, never touched gun and had no idea the differences and think handgun is good enough. You and I know it is not true based on our experience. Handgun is the weakest gun of all guns because it has its own limitation. If one really wants to kill somebody with guarantees, 12 gauge shotgun is the way to go.

 
Looks like lesson from Pearl Harbor has not been learned at all.

Participated deeply, no, but did read along. I understand that minimizing casualties is perhaps the best that can be done in certain scenarios. However, in this particular case, I wonder if a bunch of rifles locked outside the school and inside in safes is indeed the best way to minimize casualties.
 
All weapons were locked, and only one person has the key and was on other side of the Island; resulting too many Americans without protection and got killed from Japan. Japan knew this weakness and exploited that restrictions.

Sorry, not sure what you are referring to here. Specifically, what lesson?
 
All weapons were locked, and only one person has the key and was on other side of the Island; resulting too many Americans without protection and got killed from Japan. Japan knew this weakness and exploited that restrictions.

Ah ok, thank you.
 
All weapons were locked, and only one person has the key and was on other side of the Island; resulting too many Americans without protection and got killed from Japan. Japan knew this weakness and exploited that restrictions.

not sure if a rifle can protect ships from Japs screaming "banzai!" while flying down with bombs strapped on their arse
 
If one really wants to kill somebody with guarantees, 12 gauge shotgun is the way to go.

Are you suggesting 00, 000, slugs, or sabots? Bird shot won't do it. However, you probably would have to go with a semi-auto shotgun like this one.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmkq2BgYsUs]New R&R Targets Saiga 12 in action - YouTube[/ame]
 
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