Sign for Plastic?

Reba said:
Just to make it more fun, how about all the various definitions of "plastic?" :lol:

plas⋅tic
   /ˈplæstɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [plas-tik] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Often, plastics. any of a group of synthetic or natural organic materials that may be shaped when soft and then hardened, including many types of resins, resinoids, polymers, cellulose derivatives, casein materials, and proteins: used in place of other materials, as glass, wood, and metals, in construction and decoration, for making many articles, as coatings, and, drawn into filaments, for weaving. They are often known by trademark names, as Bakelite, Vinylite, or Lucite.
2. a credit card, or credit cards collectively, usually made of plastic: He had a whole pocketful of plastic.
3. money, payment, or credit represented by the use of a credit card or cards.
4. something, or a group of things, made of or resembling plastic: The entire meal was served on plastic.
–adjective
5. made of plastic.
6. capable of being molded or of receiving form: clay and other plastic substances.
7. produced by molding: plastic figures.
8. having the power of molding or shaping formless or yielding material: the plastic forces of nature.
9. being able to create, esp. within an art form; having the power to give form or formal expression: the plastic imagination of great poets and composers.
10. Fine Arts.
a. concerned with or pertaining to molding or modeling; sculptural.
b. relating to three-dimensional form or space, esp. on a two-dimensional surface.
c. pertaining to the tools or techniques of drawing, painting, or sculpture: the plastic means.
d. characterized by an emphasis on formal structure: plastic requirements of a picture.
11. pliable; impressionable: the plastic mind of youth.
12. giving the impression of being made of or furnished with plastic: We stayed at one of those plastic motels.
13. artificial or insincere; synthetic; phony: jeans made of cotton, not some plastic substitute; a plastic smile.
14. lacking in depth, individuality, or permanence; superficial, dehumanized, or mass-produced: a plastic society interested only in material acquisition.
15. of or pertaining to the use of credit cards: plastic credit; plastic money.
16. Biology, Pathology. formative.
17. Surgery. concerned with or pertaining to the remedying or restoring of malformed, injured, or lost parts: a plastic operation.
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Exactly. One has to have the contextual meaning in order to determine which sign would be used.
 
If you are trying to associate ASL with English then that may be true. ASL is not English though.
 
jasin said:
Asl does not work like that. Context only changes the meaning of what is being signed not the sign its self. Plastic is still the same sign regardless of whether we are talking about a plastic bag, plastic bowl, plastic cup, or whatever else.
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Context most definately changes the sign being used. If one is signing that "The brain is plastic", as might be necessary during a lecture in a psych class, one most definately would not use the same sign as the one used for an object made from plastic. Please refer back to Reba's many definitions of the word "plastic,"
 
jillio said:
Context most definately changes the sign being used. If one is signing that "The brain is plastic", as might be necessary during a lecture in a psych class, one most definately would not use the same sign as the one used for an object made from plastic. Please refer back to Reba's many definitions of the word "plastic,"
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That may be true, but context in ASL is not derived from the meaning of things in English.
 
jasin said:
That may be true, but context in ASL is not derived from their equivalent words and/or meanings in English.
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That's the whole point. When interpreting from English to ASL, one must use a contextual interpretation. That is why the sign for "plastic" would not be the same sign across all contexts. It depends on the meaning of the word "plastic" as used in the English sentence, and what meaning one is attempting to convey.
 
jillio said:
That's the whole point. When interpreting from English to ASL, one must use a contextual interpretation. That is why the sign for "plastic" would not be the same sign across all contexts. It depends on the meaning of the word "plastic" as used in the English sentence, and what meaning one is attempting to convey.
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That's not how interpreting is done.
 
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Reba said:
In my area, we sign:

GLASS by tapping the upper front teeth with the X finger,

FALSE by once brushing across the end of the nose with the index finger, and

PLASTIC by spelling.
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I am with Reba.
 
jasin said:
There is no such thing as that. At least, not as far as ASL interpreting goes.
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All ASL to English, and English to ASL is interpreted as context. If it isn't, interpreting is not being done properly.
 
jillio said:
All ASL to English, and English to ASL is interpreted as context. If it isn't, interpreting is not being done properly.
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I think he can't know the meaning of the word contextual.
 
Bottesini said:
I think he can't know the meaning of the word contextual.
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Perhaps. I waited until now to reply to avoid an argument. I just didn't want anyone new to the site to think that interpreting was done word for word. There is enough mistaken perception out there.
 
interesting.. I hold my four fingers and "shake" them.

That conveys the concept of plasticity.
 
jillio said:
Context most definately changes the sign being used. If one is signing that "The brain is plastic", as might be necessary during a lecture in a psych class, one most definately would not use the same sign as the one used for an object made from plastic. Please refer back to Reba's many definitions of the word "plastic,"
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Deaf people and interpreters both would not use the sign for plastic to refer to the brain in the context of it being plastic as your instructor calls it. Any interpreter or deaf person that does would be miss-using the sign for plastic.

The sign for plastic is used for actual plastic, like for example, a plastic bag. Do you want paper or plastic? In that instance I would use the sign for plastic as a plastic bag is actually plastic.

Furthermore, the brain being plastic, as you intsurtor calls it, is analogies not literal. The analogy being made by your instructor is obviously implied from the fact that plastics can undergo change.

Your instructor probably should of used the term for this in the neurosciences and then defined that and explained that.

The corret term for this in the neurosciences is Neuroplasticity. However, somtimes brain plasticity, cortical plasticity or cortical re-mapping, etc.. is also used.
 
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jillio said:
Exactly. One has to have the contextual meaning in order to determine which sign would be used.
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Please stop associating ASL with English! Signs in ASL do not get defined by or translated into English by what words in the English language mean.
 
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Weird my area (oregon) we use "P" and index finger of the P under the chin and move it forward and backward twice (same as metal but with P) for object and for flexibility its same sign as flexible
 
Plastic n' Flexible are not the same thing as sign. I sign "flexible" hold one my finger like a rope shaking.
 
we use the P hand brushing the cheek. like rubber or sneaker with a p hand. Thought it was a homesign
 
Jasin, you are an idiot. You clearly have no idea what Jillio is talking about. You need to stop posting about interpreting because you have no idea what it involves, and you don't understand when somebody tries to explain it to you.

Everything Jillio said is correct, I would have used the word "conceptual" in addition to "contextual".
 
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