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loml said:
Maybe you may not be a good teacher if you are not a parent yet....
jillio said:
I agree that deaf children need to have language skills, however, you cannot dictate to parents what method they choose for their child.
Language delay for any child creates its challenges. Your solution for this is what exactly?
The use of the word force is getting quite monotonous.
Parents and proffesionals incorporate methods that they believe will work. Undeniably, for some it does. ASL is difficult to learn, as is English. The dynamics of every family are different. I would not aggree with your choice of word here: refuse.
I fully support deaf children having the language of their family as quickly as possible for inclusion and communication.
You obviously do not know me very well.
The choice of method, for communication, imo, should be an informed family decision. There needs to be a freeflow of information regarding all methods presented by unbiased individuals, who are not trying to guilt the family into a process that can/does lead indubitably to literacy skills that are less than that of their hearing peers.
I agree.
Interesting.
Language is one of the life skills for independance, but having ASL as your only attainable language does not make deaf children independant. imo
Sweetmind said:
Good to know where I stand then. :roll:
Deaf children need a true language that would be ASL from the start. It s so beautiful language that helps us to understand the body language, facial expression, and emotion tones. It s our visualization that we are depending on all the time that no one can stop us from our true adapations and have no problem with it. It s more freedom to independent that s what I m trying to say.
We have no problem with our hearing children that we respect very much and taught them in ASL that works so well. It helps them to use that skills and focus with their receptive eyes to have a good speller, reading, and writing. Too many parents are making their excuses for not able to adapt themselves and face the Deaf reality that they need to respect Deaf child s rights. No more abusive toward Deaf children that they want us to speak and hear only that is not a very positive reinforcement toward Deaf children s lives. It s so sad it s still exists today. It s not for hearing parents or hearing people's sake only. It s for Deaf children's sake and their important needs to have that intellectual and social motor skills. Oral rules is not the winner anyhow.
I am so glad Jillo has very good positive attitude and reinforced into the positve outlook about Deaf children s true identity and true language.I wish there are many parents like her out there.
I want to give my warmto Jillo, I would love to meet her in person that I respect so much.
Sweetmind
Thats how hearing people treat Deaf children all along thats why we stand up for a good reason.. You think you know it all about us Deaf people but YOU DONT. You dont know what it s alike to be deaf. So be it!
Too much denial!
Mookie, of course she has her children at home.
Too much denial!
Mookie, of course she has her children at home.
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Thank you, Sweetmind. I would enjoy meeting you, too. Maybe will happen someday!
loml--obviously you don't know me very well! I do not try to dictate to anyone. I only share my experience and hope they can learn something from it that is valuable to them. I know what my experience has been, and what my son's experience has been. I know how much harm the audist attitude did to him. I have communicated with more Deaf people than I can count whose experience has been the same as mine. And you have no idea how many battles I've fought so that my son would be allowed to use the language that is his birthright. You have no idea how many tears I cried because of the unfair and predjudiced treatment he has recieved too many times from the hearing world. When my son was diagnosed deaf, and I was confused and lost and didn't know what to do to help my son, the Deaf community came to my aid. They didn't treat my son like he was something inferior that had a disease that needed to be cured. They helped my son develop a healthy identity, and they helped me to be a better parent. Unless you have walked in my shoes, and been where I have been, you have no business criticising me or my beliefs or my attitudes or my choices.
loml--obviously you don't know me very well! I do not try to dictate to anyone. I only share my experience and hope they can learn something from it that is valuable to them. I know what my experience has been, and what my son's experience has been. I know how much harm the audist attitude did to him. I have communicated with more Deaf people than I can count whose experience has been the same as mine. And you have no idea how many battles I've fought so that my son would be allowed to use the language that is his birthright. You have no idea how many tears I cried because of the unfair and predjudiced treatment he has recieved too many times from the hearing world. When my son was diagnosed deaf, and I was confused and lost and didn't know what to do to help my son, the Deaf community came to my aid. They didn't treat my son like he was something inferior that had a disease that needed to be cured. They helped my son develop a healthy identity, and they helped me to be a better parent. Unless you have walked in my shoes, and been where I have been, you have no business criticising me or my beliefs or my attitudes or my choices.
Over and over - your discussions is not new to me - having heard this kind of thing discussed so many many time in my country in the down-under New Zealand.
I am Deaf - born to hearing parents - a boarder at school for deaf children at age of 4 n half years old in 1943.
Deaf children there signed all the time yet we were taught to lipread and speak. I had the sign language skills learnt in one term!!! But took me years to learn to speak and mixwith normal hearing children.
When as 23 year old, i worked with deaf children as a "minder" for boarders. i felt for them and i understood them no problem. I was sad to see some teachers would never totally understand these children.
But in the long run - my employment there as a first deaf person in that job has woken something up in some of the staff working there. i said "talking to children is very important as they learn from us all different people around them every day". One teacher didn't like what i said. She said she is teaching... I said what about talking about what's happening around us? The normal children listen to everybody every day, the bus driver, parents talking to one another, people taking in the shop and neighbours talking to one another - deaf child misses out... teacher didn't like me much...but
twenty years later after more and more deaf people worked in that school; the NZSL was finally introduced and being allowed to be used as an educational tool for all Deaf children in that school. (long story cut short here)
more than twenty Deaf people are now working as teachers, minders, sign language assistants and a museum person.
I am Deaf - born to hearing parents - a boarder at school for deaf children at age of 4 n half years old in 1943.
Deaf children there signed all the time yet we were taught to lipread and speak. I had the sign language skills learnt in one term!!! But took me years to learn to speak and mixwith normal hearing children.
When as 23 year old, i worked with deaf children as a "minder" for boarders. i felt for them and i understood them no problem. I was sad to see some teachers would never totally understand these children.
But in the long run - my employment there as a first deaf person in that job has woken something up in some of the staff working there. i said "talking to children is very important as they learn from us all different people around them every day". One teacher didn't like what i said. She said she is teaching... I said what about talking about what's happening around us? The normal children listen to everybody every day, the bus driver, parents talking to one another, people taking in the shop and neighbours talking to one another - deaf child misses out... teacher didn't like me much...but
twenty years later after more and more deaf people worked in that school; the NZSL was finally introduced and being allowed to be used as an educational tool for all Deaf children in that school. (long story cut short here)
more than twenty Deaf people are now working as teachers, minders, sign language assistants and a museum person.
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Wow, I missed this topic and I see it's been off-topic for several pages now.
Related to the topic at hand, Post # 20 on page 1 says it best: VRS is NOT going anywhere.
Lots of unnecessary venom going on these past few pages....no socially redeeming value in that, folks.
Related to the topic at hand, Post # 20 on page 1 says it best: VRS is NOT going anywhere.
Lots of unnecessary venom going on these past few pages....no socially redeeming value in that, folks.
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treenz said:Over and over - your discussions is not new to me - having heard this kind of thing discussed so many many time in my country in the down-under New Zealand.
I am Deaf - born to hearing parents - a boarder at school for deaf children at age of 4 n half years old in 1943.
Deaf children there signed all the time yet we were taught to lipread and speak. I had the sign language skills learnt in one term!!! But took me years to learn to speak and mixwith normal hearing children.
When as 23 year old, i worked with deaf children as a "minder" for boarders. i felt for them and i understood them no problem. I was sad to see some teachers would never totally understand these children.
But in the long run - my employment there as a first deaf person in that job has woken something up in some of the staff working there. i said "talking to children is very important as they learn from us all different people around them every day". One teacher didn't like what i said. She said she is teaching... I said what about talking about what's happening around us? The normal children listen to everybody every day, the bus driver, parents talking to one another, people taking in the shop and neighbours talking to one another - deaf child misses out... teacher didn't like me much...but
twenty years later after more and more deaf people worked in that school; the NZSL was finally introduced and being allowed to be used as an educational tool for all Deaf children in that school. (long story cut short here)
more than twenty Deaf people are now working as teachers, minders, sign language assistants and a museum person.
That is exactly what I was trying to say. Deaf people all over the world have something in common, and they are the ones who know what our children need because they have been there. How can a hearie tell me what my son thinks and responds to and how to make the best decisions for him as a Deaf person?
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Tousi said:
Yes we all were off the topic.. IT IS VRSTERP'S FAULT that we went off the topic.... that person had labelling us deafies who are on SSDI and SSI being lazy... that person is WRONG...
Thanks!!
SxyPorkie... (i am back from hospital)
well i agree with FCC cutting! i dont support VRS such as Sorenson! When u use Vrs u cannot Dial 911! Bec those 911 must have an actually phsycial phone number to trace the call from ur home. VRS it very impossible to trace is bec it come from IP! Those Service dont have an Technology for that. Only the Security system has it.
Dont need VRS. Those are the business that want to take advantage of Goverment Disability's money. I done throw Sorenson VRS in trash long time ago! Screw them
Dont need VRS. Those are the business that want to take advantage of Goverment Disability's money. I done throw Sorenson VRS in trash long time ago! Screw them
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skynet said:
What a waste. Someone else could have gotten good use from your VP....
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WOW! I totally disagree with you on this. As I see it the VP is the successor to the archiac TTY. Not only that, it is great for a hearing guy like me to communicate with deaf people weither I know sign or not. IMO, it closes the gap a bit between hearing a deaf. And I'm sure it's much eaiser for deaf people to communicate with eachother on a VP instead of a TTY. A picture is worth a thousand words. With regards to emergencies, you can always pick up the phone to dial 911. I agree that there should be some mechanism in place to make emergency calls from the VP and hopefully that is something that will be available soon. You always have the option to contact the VRS and suggest that they have some emergency procedures in place. Just a thought.skynet said:
Thank you
jillio
If a children have access to complete language there would be ongoing communication and a deaf child would/could be raised similiar to their siblings or friends. If the deaf child has complete access to language within the family unit then the child themselves will tell you what they think.
Granted there are shared experiences amongest deaf people, but to entrust decions for your child to other people because they are deaf, is very strange to me.
If a children have access to complete language there would be ongoing communication and a deaf child would/could be raised similiar to their siblings or friends. If the deaf child has complete access to language within the family unit then the child themselves will tell you what they think.
Granted there are shared experiences amongest deaf people, but to entrust decions for your child to other people because they are deaf, is very strange to me.
jillio
I agree all people need language skills.
jillio
I cannot say all studies, as I have not read all of them, but I would agree that access to a complete accurate model of language, enables a child to acquire language.
jillio
I agree all people need language skills.
jillio
I cannot say all studies, as I have not read all of them, but I would agree that access to a complete accurate model of language, enables a child to acquire language.
jillio