Should We Use Experimental Drugs on Prisoners?

[Smithtr]

i have illness really give you medication reason you know make sure help you illness. I understand why are you know figure out illness. Let know you help you better safe...

 

[pek1]

I was watching on of my favorite TV shows, Judge Judy (hehe)...and the plaintiff was sueing his Mother for several thousands of dollars that she was withholding from him. He said that he earned the $$ by taking experimental drugs, not yet approved by the FDA, ($10,000) total!

He was 23 yrs. old, but looked older, and his demeanor was kind of weird also!

I was wondering...is this legal?....I know we have animal testing...but humans?

After much thought on this, I wonder why not use these drugs on death row prisoners?....As long as they agreed to it!...They have nothing to lose...and only $$, to buy their needs or give to their families when they are gone.

I don't have a problem testing drugs on prisoners that are either sentenced to life or to death, as these people aren't their own person anymore.

I do, however, have a major problem with animal testing. I don't believe in it because animals don't have the same genetic makeup as humans do, never have and never will. These drug companies need to test on humans and, if they can't (more likely they won't), then perhaps that should tell people what kind of products they have.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

It took me 1.5 years to find an appropriate med combo, but this was primarily due to an inattentive psychiatrist who refused to give me proper treatment. I'm now working with a wonderful psychiatrist who takes my treatment seriously and addresses my symptoms when they occur. I think that, along with weekly therapy, has alot to do with my current stability.[/QUOTE]

This is a good point. Drugs are never used to treat depression alone. Sometimes, if the depression is mild or moderate, therapy alone will do the trick in lifting the person out of his or her depression. Oftentimes, however, therapy along with medications is used to stabilize a person with severe or treatment-resistent depression.

 

[jillio]

I don't have a problem testing drugs on prisoners that are either sentenced to life or to death, as these people aren't their own person anymore.

I do, however, have a major problem with animal testing. I don't believe in it because animals don't have the same genetic makeup as humans do, never have and never will. These drug companies need to test on humans and, if they can't (more likely they won't), then perhaps that should tell people what kind of products they have.

Have you bothered to read any of the scientific and in depth explanations in previous threads of why animal testing is necessary? Or why human testing does not do away with the need for animal testing?

 

[Hwy99]

I don't have a problem testing drugs on prisoners that are either sentenced to life or to death, as these people aren't their own person anymore.

I do, however, have a major problem with animal testing. I don't believe in it because animals don't have the same genetic makeup as humans do, never have and never will. These drug companies need to test on humans and, if they can't (more likely they won't), then perhaps that should tell people what kind of products they have.

Well do you know that, most of prisoners who have to stay in the prison for life are very faithful and regretful people. There are some prisoners practicing the meditation, learning how to be aggressive to each other and do it right, some other interesting things while they were in the prison. You might be right, they might be worthless people because they have done the mistake, but think about how would you feel if you were one of them. I've done with the crack addiction and was a garbage person like them, but I changed myself through bunches of regrets that I have to solve while I was a user and haven't went back for since 6 years.

We are only people and we could do something that we need help to stop, that is what we are supposed to do with the prisoners. Just my POV.

 

[naisho]

Animal Testing of Medical Drugs

Instead of typing words which usually seems to get "overrated", I decided to put them all in picture format so it catches the eyes of readers.

This is regarding animal testing. If you need more clarification or source feel free to PM.

 

[pek1]

Instead of typing words which usually seems to get "overrated", I decided to put them all in picture format so it catches the eyes of readers.

This is regarding animal testing. If you need more clarification or source feel free to PM.

Anyone could write that. Name your sources.

Animal testing is not necessary. For starters. Poke your finger in your eye. It hurts doesn't it? What do you need an animal for that to tell you that? Duh.

I don't buy the argument that animals are necessary for drug experiments. Use humans or plants or don't test at all.

 

[naisho]

Anyone could write that. Name your sources.

Animal testing is not necessary. For starters. Poke your finger in your eye. It hurts doesn't it? What do you need an animal for that to tell you that? Duh.

I don't buy the argument that animals are necessary for drug experiments. Use humans or plants or don't test at all.

You can find it here, pek1.
Public Outreach

The aalasfoundation is a group that is endorsed and accepted by schools specializing in biomedical technology, animal science, veterinary majors. Prestigious animal/vetinary schools such as Cornell University and University of California: Davis back up their statements because their curriculum actually goes into these researches. I would know this, because I was at UCD attending their informational veterinary technology services. The school's animal science dept. has been broken into, their data destroyed, labs mafia'ed, from these "Anti-animal testing" vigilantes who deem that this is unnecessary.

I have to question, how come you associated humans and plants as liable specimens?
Plants are of one of the organism kingdoms, and alive just as much as humans which are just as much as animals.


Plus, general and introductory biology will go to show you that humans are "not so much different" from mammalian, reptilian, and fish embryos prebirth. In fact, if you have observed Herr Ernst Haeckel's depiction "drawings" of different embryos.. Have a look and see:

From left to right, if you can't read the text:
Fish, Salamander, Turtle, Chicken, Hog, Calf, Rabbit, Human. These are their embryos development stages from top till bottom.


I forgot to include the monkeys/primates in my last post.

 

[jillio]

Anyone could write that. Name your sources.

Animal testing is not necessary. For starters. Poke your finger in your eye. It hurts doesn't it? What do you need an animal for that to tell you that? Duh.

I don't buy the argument that animals are necessary for drug experiments. Use humans or plants or don't test at all.

Of course animal testing isn't necessary. We'll just use you as the first line testing instead.:roll:

 

[Lighthouse77]

You can find it here, pek1.
Public Outreach

The aalasfoundation is a group that is endorsed and accepted by schools specializing in biomedical technology, animal science, veterinary majors. Prestigious animal/vetinary schools such as Cornell University and University of California: Davis back up their statements because their curriculum actually goes into these researches. I would know this, because I was at UCD attending their informational veterinary technology services. The school's animal science dept. has been broken into, their data destroyed, labs mafia'ed, from these "Anti-animal testing" vigilantes who deem that this is unnecessary.

I have to question, how come you associated humans and plants as liable specimens?
Plants are of one of the organism kingdoms, and alive just as much as humans which are just as much as animals.


Plus, general and introductory biology will go to show you that humans are "not so much different" from mammalian, reptilian, and fish embryos prebirth. In fact, if you have observed Herr Ernst Haeckel's depiction "drawings" of different embryos.. Have a look and see:

From left to right, if you can't read the text:
Fish, Salamander, Turtle, Chicken, Hog, Calf, Rabbit, Human. These are their embryos development stages from top till bottom.


I forgot to include the monkeys/primates in my last post.

Being religious as I am, all I have to say that we have the same designer, not the same ancestor. (think about all the paintings done by the same artist, experts can sometime tell who is the artist by their technique).

But all living things hurt. I don't like it, but what choice do we have. I don't men hunting, but they are doing it for food, we have no choice. as long as we are respectful.

 

[pek1]

Of course animal testing isn't necessary. We'll just use you as the first line testing instead.:roll:

When I die, my body is going to medical science anyway. There are enough cadavers yearly that animal testing isn't necessary or ethical.

 

[jillio]

When I die, my body is going to medical science anyway. There are enough cadavers yearly that animal testing isn't necessary or ethical.

Cadavers are used for tissue harvesting and for med students to disect. They do not give meds to cadavers.

 

[BradB08]

No.

We already lock up too many people and advocate for the barbaric death penalty.

 

[pek1]

Cadavers are used for tissue harvesting and for med students to disect. They do not give meds to cadavers.

No, they don't. However, as an educated person to an educated person, those meds can be tested on human tissue.

 

[pek1]

You can find it here, pek1.
Public Outreach

. . . I have to question, how come you associated humans and plants as liable specimens?
Plants are of one of the organism kingdoms, and alive just as much as humans which are just as much as animals . . .

Sorry for the edit.

As you know, most medication comes from plants. There is nothing wrong with testing the medication on either human cadavers or human prisoners. In fact, I'm in a medical experiment right now for dermatology.

Thanks for the link!

 

[pek1]

No.

We already lock up too many people and advocate for the barbaric death penalty.

If I may be equally pragmatic . . . if those people who are on death row had showed mercy to those who they killed, maybe I and many others would be more sympathetic to them. Taking a life equals taking their life. Perhaps they should have thought of that, huh?

 

[jillio]

Sorry for the edit.

As you know, most medication comes from plants. There is nothing wrong with testing the medication on either human cadavers or human prisoners. In fact, I'm in a medical experiment right now for dermatology.

Thanks for the link!

How exactly do you test how a living organism will react to a medication using a dead body? And testing on prisoners is illegal.

Dermatology? Now there's a specialty with high risk. LOL.

 

[BradB08]

If I may be equally pragmatic . . . if those people who are on death row had showed mercy to those who they killed, maybe I and many others would be more sympathetic to them. Taking a life equals taking their life. Perhaps they should have thought of that, huh?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[jillio]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Those who believe in retributive justice obviously think it does.:roll: My question always is, if you commit a wrong in order to "right a wrong", what makes you any more moral or ethical than the person you are claiming to punish?

 

[deafdyke]

And there are drugs for depression....Doctors tried "so many" on me and none of them worked.

rockin robin............have you tried alternative therapies?

You might be right, they might be worthless people because they have done the mistake, but think about how would you feel if you were one of them. I've done with the crack addiction and was a garbage person like them, but I changed myself through bunches of regrets that I have to solve while I was a user and haven't went back for since 6 years.

PuyoPuyo,
I don't think anyone's talking about drug testing on people who have made mild mistakes or whatever.
However, there are extreme psycopaths who are BEYOND messed up who have committed awful crimes and who have no hope of rehabilitation.