Should we move Thanksgiving (US) to January!

LoveBlue said:
And now WalMart, KMart & Sears are going to be open Thanksgiving night. So there will be a lot of people who can't sit back and relax on Thanksgiving because they have to go to work for their greedy employers.
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They started that last year, Best Buy target all of them. I usually don't do The Black Friday shopping, I am not a morning person. But last year I waited in line for the "door buster" deal on a lap top for my son, they had lines by the deal items and they gave you a ticket, so at least you didn't wait in line for nothing.

But they are starting earlier this year I think, last year it was midnight, I was online today seeing if there was anything I might want this year and noticed the stores were starting it earlier.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
HUH?? I am not the only person that does not like holidays. I am not looking for pity .
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No pity offered. Just sad that you can find nothing to be thankful for. It is a far better holiday than some others, IMO. Sadly, it has become a speedbump on the way to Christmas, which is no longer celebrating the birth of Christ, but the accumulation of material goods.
 
saywhatkid said:
No pity offered. Just sad that you can find nothing to be thankful for. It is a far better holiday than some others, IMO. Sadly, it has become a speedbump on the way to Christmas, which is no longer celebrating the birth of Christ, but the accumulation of material goods.
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I am Jewish and so Christmas it not my holiday , I am more concerned about the way the Native American where treated after the first Thanksgiving and I do not need a holiday to tell me when to be thankful , I can do that on my own.
 
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I don't know whether those stores which will open that night have overtime desired lists that employees can sign up or require all of their employees or employees with lowest seniority to show up. As for USPS, my workplace (24/7 operation), only employees who volunteer to work on a holiday and new employees are required to show up.
 
Thanksgiving?! *GAG* I never like to celebrate Thanksgiving, period. Too zzz and I've always been left out all my life til I met my husband, less left out but still. Food are ok but not my thing. Plus too expensive too. I also don't like to be slave all day (I don't mine just few hrs) in the kitchen while everyone enjoy chatting, etc..
 
LakeTahoe said:
Thanksgiving?! *GAG* I never like to celebrate Thanksgiving, period. Too zzz and I've always been left out all my life til I met my husband, less left out but still. Food are ok but not my thing. Plus too expensive too. I also don't like to be slave all day (I don't mine just few hrs) in the kitchen while everyone enjoy chatting, etc..
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My husband was the main cook in our family, especially for holidays. Since he's been gone, I've had a few family dinners with my sisters & kids. I just get a turkey breast, potatoes (yum, mashed potatoes), can of beans & crescent rolls. If anyone else wants something different (stuffing, other veggies, etc), they bring it or cook it at my house.
We're going to have Thanksgiving dinner on the Sunday after Thanksgiving because my daughter and grandson are arriving in town on the Friday after Thanksgiving and will be spending that Saturday at her in-laws.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I don't know whether those stores which will open that night have overtime desired lists that employees can sign up or require all of their employees or employees with lowest seniority to show up. As for USPS, my workplace (24/7 operation), only employees who volunteer to work on a holiday and new employees are required to show up.
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If you work in the medical field you have to on work at least one holiday.
I would work on Christmas day and my clients where surprises and happy to see me as they did not except to have a health aide . I would give my clients a small Xmas gift.
 
I agree that those things did happen to native Americans.

Lincoln does nothing to saved us at all.
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This is untrue. If you are familiar with the Dakota war of 1862:

Dakota War of 1862 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will know that it was Lincoln who spared the lives of over 200 Native American soldiers that were to be put to death.

Someone just put the Native Americans in the picture with the Whites (even Pilgrims) to make the whites believe that Native Americans are free too.
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I don't know which picture you are referring to, but there is documented evidence of colonist and settlers getting along for many years, including that harvest festival which now is called Thanksgiving.

Nobody is saying we did not treat Native Americans unfairly.

But, it's not what the thread is about. The thread is about commercialism of Thanksgiving of which I still don't see proof.

I have a friend who is deaf and lives on a reservation in North Dakota, she is Chippewa. She went to school here in Boston. There is nothing stopping Native Americans today and, in fact, you get help if you are Native American today which I think is a good thing.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I agree that those things did happen to native Americans.



This is untrue. If you are familiar with the Dakota war of 1862:

Dakota War of 1862 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will know that it was Lincoln who spared the lives of over 200 Native American soldiers that were to be put to death.



I don't know which picture you are referring to, but there is documented evidence of colonist and settlers getting along for many years, including that harvest festival which now is called Thanksgiving.

Nobody is saying we did not treat Native Americans unfairly.

But, it's not what the thread is about. The thread is about commercialism of Thanksgiving of which I still don't see proof.

I have a friend who is deaf and lives on a reservation in North Dakota, she is Chippewa. She went to school here in Boston. There is nothing stopping Native Americans today and, in fact, you get help if you are Native American today which I think is a good thing.
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No, it's about the commercialism of Christmas over taking over all the preceeding holidays (including Hallowee as I saw a TV commercial for Christmas from a big box store before Nov).
 
LakeTahoe said:
Thanksgiving?! *GAG* I never like to celebrate Thanksgiving, period. Too zzz and I've always been left out all my life til I met my husband, less left out but still. Food are ok but not my thing. Plus too expensive too. I also don't like to be slave all day (I don't mine just few hrs) in the kitchen while everyone enjoy chatting, etc..
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Understandable.

Maybe now is the time to start your own traditions in a way that is comfortable and enjoyable for you. You are now a grown up with your own home. You can make the day as simple or as elaborate as you want. Whatever fits for you. Invite the people you enjoy spending time with. Don't forget, if you invite people over for Thanksgiving, you can let them each bring one dish or dessert and it makes less work for everyone. And there is no law that says you can't use heavy duty paper plates, and disposable serving containers. :)

Your tradition doesn't have to be turkey either. For coastal people, a seafood feast could be appropriate. For people who live in northern forests, a venison feast might be better. If the weather is nice, use the grill. Whatever your family and friends enjoy. It's mostly about the fellowship.
 
In our area, I know that sometimes the Deaf community has their own Thanksgiving pot luck dinner.

Also, if one doesn't want to overeat, one can still serve dinner to others. There are churches, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, etc., that can use volunteers.
 
LoveBlue said:
No, it's about the commercialism of Christmas over taking over all the preceeding holidays (including Hallowee as I saw a TV commercial for Christmas from a big box store before Nov).
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So, the argument is that the advertising for xmas overshadows the holiday? And, the solution is to move it to a month were it does not?

I'm sorry, but how is this actually affecting Thanksgiving again? Is the Holiday not being enjoyed? Are people buying less Thanksgiving food?

If you are saying people are not giving thanks, well, I live in Boston and we don't see much of that here anyway. Just sayin... (this is a joke)
 
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VacationGuy234 said:
I agree that those things did happen to native Americans.



This is untrue. If you are familiar with the Dakota war of 1862:

Dakota War of 1862 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will know that it was Lincoln who spared the lives of over 200 Native American soldiers that were to be put to death.



I don't know which picture you are referring to, but there is documented evidence of colonist and settlers getting along for many years, including that harvest festival which now is called Thanksgiving.

Nobody is saying we did not treat Native Americans unfairly.

But, it's not what the thread is about. The thread is about commercialism of Thanksgiving of which I still don't see proof.

I have a friend who is deaf and lives on a reservation in North Dakota, she is Chippewa. She went to school here in Boston. There is nothing stopping Native Americans today and, in fact, you get help if you are Native American today which I think is a good thing.
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Most often most military and the government would painted us as savages and also blamed us for the war when the military and the government were the one to start the war in order to wipe us out and to assimilated all Native Americans so that there will be no Natives. I don't see any thing what President Lincoln does to save Native Americans. He mentioned that he does not want them to die because of the votes that he is the good President which he is not. They just wanted to cover that up to make us bad. Also the Dakota also were forced to give up their lands to the whites which they don't want to give up. On the reservation, they were not getting their food and other supplies provided them from the government what they were promised to get. They were denied many times over in many reservations. If the food supplies were late before the war, then that is a cover up also. They were not allowed to hunt in their reservation or to walk away from the reservation to find food like berries when they get shot at by "owners of the land that was suppose to belong to the Natives". Many Natives had to suffered and you called that article that they were save by President Abraham Lincoln. Pfft! We still suffered under them for more than 500 years. Geeze. :mad:
 
Bebonang said:
Most often most military and the government would painted us as savages and also blamed us for the war when the military and the government were the one to start the war in order to wipe us out and to assimilated all Native Americans so that there will be no Natives. I don't see any thing what President Lincoln does to save Native Americans. He mentioned that he does not want them to die because of the votes that he is the good President which he is not. They just wanted to cover that up to make us bad. Also the Dakota also were forced to give up their lands to the whites which they don't want to give up. On the reservation, they were not getting their food and other supplies provided them from the government what they were promised to get. They were denied many times over in many reservations. If the food supplies were late before the war, then that is a cover up also. They were not allowed to hunt in their reservation or to walk away from the reservation to find food like berries when they get shot at by "owners of the land that was suppose to belong to the Natives". Many Natives had to suffered and you called that article that they were save by President Abraham Lincoln. Pfft! We still suffered under them for more than 500 years. Geeze. :mad:
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If all Native Indians went extinct so I won't be here today. :(

I'm 30% Native Indian since my father is more than 50% Native Indian.

The land that where Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee located, used to had Choctaw and Cherokee until white settlers and the government removed them. I didn't like at all. :mad:
 
Foxrac said:
If all Native Indians went extinct so I won't be here today. :(

I'm 30% Native Indian since my father is more than 50% Native Indian.

The land that where Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee located, used to had Choctaw and Cherokee until white settlers and the government removed them. I didn't like at all. :mad:
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Exactly. :(
 
Bebonang said:
Most often most military and the government would painted us as savages and also blamed us for the war when the military and the government were the one to start the war in order to wipe us out and to assimilated all Native Americans so that there will be no Natives. I don't see any thing what President Lincoln does to save Native Americans. He mentioned that he does not want them to die because of the votes that he is the good President which he is not. They just wanted to cover that up to make us bad. Also the Dakota also were forced to give up their lands to the whites which they don't want to give up. On the reservation, they were not getting their food and other supplies provided them from the government what they were promised to get. They were denied many times over in many reservations. If the food supplies were late before the war, then that is a cover up also. They were not allowed to hunt in their reservation or to walk away from the reservation to find food like berries when they get shot at by "owners of the land that was suppose to belong to the Natives". Many Natives had to suffered and you called that article that they were save by President Abraham Lincoln. Pfft! We still suffered under them for more than 500 years. Geeze. :mad:
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Again, not denying that those things happened. There were atrocities on both sides of the war.

In my opinion, we should use our holidays for unity not division. Maybe it's just because I'm from Boston and we started a revolution here, but we don't like to think about states succeeding or division within the United States. We know there are differences here, but we still think it's better to have differences and be united than live under a monarchy or a dictatorship.

The question before us (ultimately, everyday) is how we are going to get through this TOGETHER. And, I think that is pretty important.
 
Take this one for example...

Christmas ornaments, lights, decorations and trees | Bronners.com | Christmas lights, personalized ornaments, artificial trees, Nativity scenes, Christmas decorations, Christmas stockings and hangars

It seems like they make money selling Christmas things year round. If they can do it year round, why cannot Target do it over Thanksgivings? Not saying it's right to sell Christmas item and over shadow Thanksgivings, but everyone has freedom to run business the way they see it. This is USA---the land of Freedom!!

I understand people may not like the rush of Christmas shopping over Thanksgivings. What if stores were banned from shopping Christmas items over Thanksgivings and were allowed to sell Christmas items over Christmas only? Well, then there will be long, LONG lines of people who need to wait because they can shop for Christmas over Christmas only.

At least, stores are starting to hire holidays help now. Good for people who need money now. I'm sure people who get hired for seasonal help right now are thankful. I realize that not everyone will agree with selling Christmas items over Thanksgivings. I don't know if I am for or against this, but I look for the positive here. I'm sure many people who have nothing to do over Thanksgivings are happy to have something to do.

If people don't like Christmas decorations over Thanksgivings, trust me, they can find other place to shop. Yeah, Christmas decoration are pretty to look at. Even if a person does not shop for Christmas, they may shop because they want to enjoy the camaraderie of Christmas and see decorations.
 
dereksbicycles said:
Take this one for example...

Christmas ornaments, lights, decorations and trees | Bronners.com | Christmas lights, personalized ornaments, artificial trees, Nativity scenes, Christmas decorations, Christmas stockings and hangars

It seems like they make money selling Christmas things year round. If they can do it year round, why cannot Target do it over Thanksgivings? Not saying it's right to sell Christmas item and over shadow Thanksgivings, but everyone has freedom to run business the way they see it. This is USA---the land of Freedom!!

I understand people may not like the rush of Christmas shopping over Thanksgivings. What if stores were banned from shopping Christmas items over Thanksgivings and were allowed to sell Christmas items over Christmas only? Well, then there will be long, LONG lines of people who need to wait because they can shop for Christmas over Christmas only.

At least, stores are starting to hire holidays help now. Good for people who need money now. I'm sure people who get hired for seasonal help right now are thankful. I realize that not everyone will agree with selling Christmas items over Thanksgivings. I don't know if I am for or against this, but I look for the positive here. I'm sure many people who have nothing to do over Thanksgivings are happy to have something to do.

If people don't like Christmas decorations over Thanksgivings, trust me, they can find other place to shop. Yeah, Christmas decoration are pretty to look at. Even if a person does not shop for Christmas, they may shop because they want to enjoy the camaraderie of Christmas and see decorations.
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I don't mind if they sell Christmas decorations, etc, all year. What bugs me is when they decorate the stores before Thanksgiving.

It's getting harder & harder to find stores to shop at before Thanksgiving that are not decorated.

As to hiring people, that's great. I never said people shouldn't begin their holiday shopping early. Heck, I'm almost done mine. Some people shop all year for Christmas, etc.

I do enjoy the Christmas decorations...after Thanksgiving. I like to get my shopping done early and then go to the mall w/o needing to get in long lines to buy my gifts just to enjoy the "spirit of Christmas" without the hassles.
 
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