Should Men Go To Jail When They Fail To Pay Child Support?

[Reba]

If the father wants to be s part of the childs life, then yes he should support the chiLd.
If he doesnt...then he shouldnt be forced to.
As for jail. indeed its counter productive to jail a man and expect him to learn.to be a good fther while inside...it actually works the opposite...

Just because he doesn't "want to" be a part of the child's life he is still responsible for that child's life and well-being.

In life, as adults, we often have to do things we don't "want to" do. That's part of being a responsible adult.

If the man doesn't want adult responsibilities then he shouldn't play adult games--that is, keep it zipped.

 

[hoichi]

Just because he doesn't "want to" be a part of the child's life he is still responsible for that child's life and well-being.

In life, as adults, we often have to do things we don't "want to" do. That's part of being a responsible adult.

If the man doesn't want adult responsibilities then he shouldn't play adult games--that is, keep it zipped.

Sure.
But how do you think that kid will feel. Having some loser dad forced.to be in his life...its better for the kid if guys that dont want.them are actually kept away from them frankly...
You wont get water from a stone...if a guy or women doesnt want to be in the kids life...he or she wont want to pay for the child...jail wont do squat....neither would garnishing
Ive known asholes like this...
Better they are kept away from the child, not forced to.be in the childs life..
Because they will resent it,and thet resenment will be unleashed one way oe another on the kid....
Trust me..
And if its just the idea fine you dont need to be involved with the kid, but pay anyway most will out of spit given that dictat purposely be involved.
Ive known guys that have done just that. and they played the most god awfull games with the kids heads.... having their son refer to their mothers as animal or crack whore oe worse...because of ideas like forcing them will actually help...
It doesnt because thesE guys are no good..period. best to let them go far away....
Believe me
As for adult games...mark my words force people to pay for something they dont want....games they will play...
The child is the loser in that...no one else

 

[Foxrac]

An even more brilliant idea would be to use a condom or abstain from getting involved with someone you have no intention of sharing your life with....

Laura

What about divorce? It was good family before but bad situation lead to divorce.

 

[Reba]

Sure.
But how do you think that kid will feel. Having some loser dad forced.to be in his life...its better for the kid if guys that dont want.them are actually kept away from them frankly…

I never said that the "loser" had to be forced to be active in the child's life. If he doesn't want contact, he can stay away. But he still has to support that child materially.

You wont get water from a stone...if a guy or women doesnt want to be in the kids life...he or she wont want to pay for the child...jail wont do squat....neither would garnishing
Ive known asholes like this…

You're confusing two totally different issues.

Paying child support and having a relationship with the child are two completely separate things.

Better they are kept away from the child, not forced to.be in the childs life..
Because they will resent it,and thet resenment will be unleashed one way oe another on the kid....
Trust me..

Paying child support doesn't guarantee contact with the child, and not having contact with the child is not dependent on whether or not the man pays child support.

And if its just the idea fine you dont need to be involved with the kid, but pay anyway most will out of spit given that dictat purposely be involved.
Ive known guys that have done just that. and they played the most god awfull games with the kids heads.... having their son refer to their mothers as animal or crack whore oe worse...because of ideas like forcing them will actually help...
It doesnt because thesE guys are no good..period. best to let them go far away….

You've got cause and effect confused.

If the guy is a bum who wants to cause pain to the mother of his child he'll do it whether or not he pays child support. He's just trying to make a rationalization out of his reprehensible behavior by blaming the forced child support. Ridiculous--he'd still act that way regardless.

They can pay their support and still go far away.

Believe me
As for adult games...mark my words force people to pay for something they dont want....games they will play...
The child is the loser in that...no one else

Why should all dependent children suffer from lack of support just because you know a few sickos? Why give a pass to all deadbeat dads just because a few of them might play head games? If the guy does take it out on others, deal with that particular person, and stop him. Don't let them win.

 

[Reba]

No.he loses the child, he doesnt want. Thats his punishment….

How is that a loss to him if he doesn't want the child in the first place? He's not going to feel like it's a punishment. That's nonsensical.

Makes no sense to froce the man to pay if he doesnt have anything at al to do eith the child...

Yes, it does make sense. There's no reason why the child should suffer just because the "father" is a jerk. Being a jerk doesn't get anyone off the hook.

 

[hoichi]

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I never said that the "loser" had to be forced to be active in the child's life. If he doesn't want contact, he can stay away. But he still has to support that child materially.in.

By forcing someone to pay for something they dont want, invites them to play games with the very thing they dont want..thats what spite is.

I
You're confusing two totally different issues.

Paying child support and having a relationship with the child are two completely separate things.in.

Right.and one way to have losers.involved is to force them to pay.for something they dont want.

I
Paying child support doesn't guarantee contact with the child, and not having contact with the child is not dependent on whether or not the man pays child support.in.

Trust me. By forcing s loser to pay for a child he doesnt want. He will purposely want to be involved just to cause hurt and games.i was locked up with people just like this...

I You've got cause and effect confused.

If the guy is a bum who wants to cause pain to the mother of his child he'll do it whether or not he pays child support. He's just trying to make a rationalization out of his reprehensible behavior by blaming the forced child support. Ridiculous--he'd still act that way regardless.in.

Thas my point. Better to have him just go...and he wont be able to be around the child...

I
They can pay their support and still go far away.in.

By forcing them to pay, many will accept that as an invite to out of resentment stick around and in the childs life...ive seen it...more then.once...sucks...

I Why should all dependent children suffer from lack of support just because you know a few sickos? Why give a pass to all deadbeat dads just because a few of them might play head games? If the guy does take it out on others, deal with that particular person, and stop him. Don't let them win.

Im not giving a pass. Im just recognizing how animals behave...

 

[hoichi]

How is that a loss to him if he doesn't want the child in the first place? He's not going to feel like it's a punishment. That's nonsensical.


Yes, it does make sense. There's no reason why the child should suffer just because the "father" is a jerk. Being a jerk doesn't get anyone off the hook.

The only person whp will feel the punishment isbthe child not the father..he doesnt give s ****..
Thats why its better to just hwve him.go and stay away...forcing him to pay only invites him to play....
He loses the child...he msy not see thstvas a punihment...but we both know as parents it is..regardless.
Hey
Play ir your way...im justvssying ive lived amongst animals like this to knoe better...
Take it or leave it..
All cool

 

[Bottesini]

Sure.
But how do you think that kid will feel. Having some loser dad forced.to be in his life...its better for the kid if guys that dont want.them are actually kept away from them frankly...
You wont get water from a stone...if a guy or women doesnt want to be in the kids life...he or she wont want to pay for the child...jail wont do squat....neither would garnishing
Ive known asholes like this...
Better they are kept away from the child, not forced to.be in the childs life..
Because they will resent it,and thet resenment will be unleashed one way oe another on the kid....
Trust me..
And if its just the idea fine you dont need to be involved with the kid, but pay anyway most will out of spit given that dictat purposely be involved.
Ive known guys that have done just that. and they played the most god awfull games with the kids heads.... having their son refer to their mothers as animal or crack whore oe worse...because of ideas like forcing them will actually help...
It doesnt because thesE guys are no good..period. best to let them go far away....
Believe me
As for adult games...mark my words force people to pay for something they dont want....games they will play...
The child is the loser in that...no one else

The guy doesn't have to be in the child's life at all. Just be responsible financially for his creation.

 

[Reba]

By forcing someone to pay for something they dont want, invites them to play games with the very thing they dont want..thats what spite is.

Right.and one way to have losers.involved is to force them to pay.for something they dont want.

Trust me. By forcing s loser to pay for a child he doesnt want. He will purposely want to be involved just to cause hurt and games.i was locked up with people just like this...

Thas my point. Better to have him just go...and he wont be able to be around the child...

By forcing them to pay, many will accept that as an invite to out of resentment stick around and in the childs life...ive seen it...more then.once...sucks...

Im not giving a pass. Im just recognizing how animals behave...

So, any guy that threatens to retaliate if he's forced to pay child support can get off the hook, even if he says that just so he won't have to pay. No one would have to pay child support.

That is too lame for words.

Quit making excuses for these losers. If they do those things they're trying to use intimidation to get off the hook and create even more havoc.

 

[Reba]

The only person whp will feel the punishment isbthe child not the father..he doesnt give s ****..
Thats why its better to just hwve him.go and stay away...forcing him to pay only invites him to play....
He loses the child...he msy not see thstvas a punihment...but we both know as parents it is..regardless.
Hey
Play ir your way...im justvssying ive lived amongst animals like this to knoe better...
Take it or leave it..
All cool

No, it isn't "all cool." Guys who don't have to take responsibility for their children will just keep making more of them. Also, the boys they don't support will see unenforced child support as an acceptable way for them to behave when they grow up. Then, there's the extra financial strain on the child's family when the deadbeat dad is allowed to get off free.

 

[Foxrac]

No, it isn't "all cool." Guys who don't have to take responsibility for their children will just keep making more of them. Also, the boys they don't support will see unenforced child support as an acceptable way for them to behave when they grow up. Then, there's the extra financial strain on the child's family when the deadbeat dad is allowed to get off free.

Refuse to pay child support has lifetime consequence.

The consequence will make father's child unlikely to take care of father when father no longer to take care of himself due to mistreatment and lack of support for child when they were child until 18.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

It's illogical to expect that someone shouldn't go to jail b/c of possibility to be shot while running away during an arrest.
It's illogical, as thinking along these lines one may as well argue that we shouldn't sent a murderer to a jail b/c he, too, could be shot to death while running away when approached by police officers.

Nobody wants to go to jail, period.
But the deeds one did (or did not as we have the case here) lands you in jail.
then running (particularly away) during an arrest may get you shot - it is as simple as that. so - don't run. do not break the law.

Personally, I don't believe for a second a man (or a woman) can not find a gainful employment here or there for a whole year or two to be able to pay at least half of the owed child support.
McDonald always hires, as do 99 cents stores, Target, Walmart, UPS, Fedex, Best Buy, airports, etc etc and whenever heavy lifting is needed, or greasy, stinky job, and for this no education ever required.

It is simply impossible to make a hundred here or there with such opportunities.
But, of course who likes to work hard, eh, when it is so much better to sit on your bum drinking beer all day courtesy of social assistance.

Fuzzy

 

[DeafDucky]

a lot of the min wages places seem to turn their nose up at those unemployed who are "over-qualified" or likely to leave in less than 6 months if a more palatable job comes along. Of course this would not apply to those who have never worked or could work white collar type jobs.

Takes all kinds of income levels to be fools and refuse to pay child support.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Of course. but one need to be smart and withhold too much information.
McDonald doesn't have to know you have degrees in quantum physics.
just put under education - "can read and write"

Fuzzy

 

[Foxrac]

a lot of the min wages places seem to turn their nose up at those unemployed who are "over-qualified" or likely to leave in less than 6 months if a more palatable job comes along. Of course this would not apply to those who have never worked or could work white collar type jobs.

Takes all kinds of income levels to be fools and refuse to pay child support.

Yes, McDonald's prefer to hire brainwashed, dumb workers over workers who are smart and graduated from college.

 

[hoichi]

The guy doesn't have to be in the child's life at all. Just be responsible financially for his creation.

Your not understanding...by forcing him to pwy many will use that as an invititation to be involved...
Considering they are paying...
They will justvapporsch it as a product.if im going to pay for it, then its mine....
If you or reba think the stste csn force.asshole.dsds to pay and not have any ofbthese assholes.wish to play games thsts nieve..
You are thinking like good people think..
You need to.thnk like an asshole..,then you will see my point...

 

[hoichi]

So, any guy that threatens to retaliate if he's forced to pay child support can get off the hook, even if he says that just so he won't have to pay. No one would have to pay child support.

That is too lame for words.

Quit making excuses for these losers. If they do those things they're trying to use intimidation to get off the hook and create even more havoc.

Im making no.excuses..im ssying forcing someone who clesrly doesnt wantto be involved in the chikds lkfe to.be around or in it by either foecing them to pay loot or personaly involved is silly
Why would you even want guys like this around kids?
My opinion is bssed on experience. Ive known asshokes who would of not wsnted anything at all to do.eith their kkds if it easnt for tbem.being.forced.to pay lokt. Sobthe esentislly acceepted the game...
And the kids got a hard bargain.
Better forbthem.if these guys were allowed to leave and stay away..your nieve way of looking a this wont convince me..
But its always a pleasure to discuss ideas with you reba...

 

[DeafDucky]

What Reba and others are saying is this:

The father (or mother) doesn't HAVE to be around the kid.. they don't have to live in the same town or even the same state or interact with the kid when they are paying child support. What matters is that the parent is providing FINANCIAL means to support the child. Money is impersonal and doesn't matter to how the kid lives his life. Boneheaded people refuse to pay based on principle, spite, ignorance whatever so courts order garnishment of whatever income they have (I'm not sure if they are allowed to attach to stocks/bonds or other income if the parent has it). Garnishing is done by others with no control by the parent.

As others keep saying "being involved/present in the child's live" and "providing financial support" are two separate things.

One is not dependent on the other.

 

[rockin'robin]

Im making no.excuses..im ssying forcing someone who clesrly doesnt wantto be involved in the chikds lkfe to.be around or in it by either foecing them to pay loot or personaly involved is silly
Why would you even want guys like this around kids?
My opinion is bssed on experience. Ive known asshokes who would of not wsnted anything at all to do.eith their kkds if it easnt for tbem.being.forced.to pay lokt. Sobthe esentislly acceepted the game...
And the kids got a hard bargain.
Better forbthem.if these guys were allowed to leave and stay away..your nieve way of looking a this wont convince me..
But its always a pleasure to discuss ideas with you reba...

Perhaps "guys like this" should be casterated?....

 

[Reba]

Im making no.excuses..im ssying forcing someone who clesrly doesnt wantto be involved in the chikds lkfe to.be around or in it by either foecing them to pay loot or personaly involved is silly
Why would you even want guys like this around kids?

I wouldn't want guys like that around kids. I also wouldn't have a sexual relationship resulting in pregnancy with guys like that in the first place.

My opinion is bssed on experience. Ive known asshokes who would of not wsnted anything at all to do.eith their kkds if it easnt for tbem.being.forced.to pay lokt. Sobthe esentislly acceepted the game...
And the kids got a hard bargain.
Better forbthem.if these guys were allowed to leave and stay away..your nieve way of looking a this wont convince me..
But its always a pleasure to discuss ideas with you reba...

You're not the only person who can make opinions based on experiences. Just because you know some bad eggs doesn't mean that's how the majority of delinquent parents react. The whole system of enforced child support shouldn't be thrown out just because some guys have skewed reasoning ability.