Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

[Jiro]

not at all, the way I read it, it only went to support the fact that terrorism could be a consideration

I guess this is where we can agree to disagree. I don't expect everybody to agree with my interpretation but FBI and intelligence agencies' findings are consistent with mine.

 

[Eve]

Quote from the link:

"I believe that the various investigating bureaus have said that they have seen these e-mail messages to a radical cleric, but that they were not a sufficient concern to open up an investigation, and there doesn't appear to be any linkage to any outside group in terms of the operation itself," Benjamin said in his first television interview since taking up his post.


Yeppers. Supports Jiro's stance.

That only shows that Hasan was acting alone, not that his motive was not terroristic in nature.

 

[Eve]

I guess this is where we can agree to disagree. I don't expect everybody to agree with my interpretation but FBI and intelligence agencies' findings are consistent with mine.

Just goes to show that the "truth" is not always the same between two people. My perception of what you posted and yours are two very different things, and yet we read the same article.

 

[jillio]

Terroristic in nature and a terroristic act committed by one affiliated with a terrorist group are two different things. Rape is an act of a terroristic nature. Kidnapping is an act of a terroristic nature. However, neither are termed terroristic acts.

 

[jillio]

Just goes to show that the "truth" is not always the same between two people. My perception of what you posted and yours are two very different things, and yet we read the same article.

That just means that individual reality is subjective based on perception. It doesn't mean that the truth has changed.

 

[Eve]

The question is to whether or not the act was terroristic. One does not necessarily have to be working in collaboration with a group for ones acts to be deemed terroristic.

 

[Eve]

That just means that individual reality is subjective based on perception. It doesn't mean that the truth has changed.

True, but who is to say your perception is any more relevant than mine or kokos?

 

[Jiro]

True, but who is to say your perception is any more relevant than mine or kokos?

nobody is but I had a problem with you stating that it's a "fact" on number of occasions.

 

[Eve]

Facts are based on documentation, which has been presented. Again, my perception of "truths" or "facts" will not necessarily coincide with your perception.

 

[Jiro]

Just goes to show that the "truth" is not always the same between two people. My perception of what you posted and yours are two very different things, and yet we read the same article.

there is only 1 truth. the perceptions of the same truth are always different. One perception is backed with facts or logical explanation. Other perception is backed with illogical emotions and nonfactual rhetoric.

in the end - it depends on which perception to accept and the majority will win the argument.

 

[Jiro]

That only shows that Hasan was acting alone, not that his motive was not terroristic in nature.

You and Reba are correct that terrorist can be a loner like Unabomber. However - in this case, his motive that may be terroristic in nature has been ruled out. That's why there was no further surveillance nor investigation.

 

[Eve]

there is only 1 truth. the perceptions of the same truth are always different. One perception is backed with facts or logical explanation. Other perception is backed with illogical emotions and nonfactual rhetoric.

in the end - it depends on which perception to accept and the majority will win the argument.

Wrong, one truth, many perceptions. And who is to say which perception is right or wrong? I have backed my position with plenty of documentation, yet we both read into it differently and not necessarily based on emotion, logic, or rhetoric.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Who stated that him not being a terrorist is a fact?

The fact is... he opened up fire on his co-workers after 8 years of trying to get out of the army. He killed 13 adults, and one of them happened to be a pregnant woman.

We're just saying-- he may not be a terrorist. He may be one, but however his behaviour doesn't fit the typical domestic terrorism, but more along the line of the Virginia Tech or Columbine (especially in regard to how people planned it out and spoke about their intents prior to the shootings.)

 

[Eve]

However - in this case, his motive that may be terroristic in nature has been ruled out. That's why there was no further surveillance nor investigation.

The only thing that has been "ruled out" (and in actuality, they are still investigating the possibility) is that Hasan acted in coordination with outside sources. They simply stated that they gave up on the investigation months ago because it didn't seem to be leading anywhere....well, look where it led.

 

[Eve]

We're just saying-- he may not be a terrorist. He may be one, but however his behaviour doesn't fit the typical domestic terrorism, but more along the line of the Virginia Tech or Columbine (especially in regard to how people planned it out and spoke about their intents prior to the shootings.)

On the contrary, I see his behavior very much fitting a typical terrorist. His actions were very much done as a political statement against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

[Jiro]

Wrong, one truth, many perceptions. And who is to say which perception is right or wrong? I have backed my position with plenty of documentation, yet we both read into it differently and not necessarily based on emotion, logic, or rhetoric.

that's what I said. you just said it differently while the core message of my post is still same.

As the day goes by with more stories releasing, the more it backs my stance. but of course.... you disagree

 

[Eve]

but of course.... you disagree

yes, yes I do. And yet, I am able to disagree with you respectfully without making personal attacks against you and vice versa. That is what a true debate is all about, my friend.

 

[Jiro]

On the contrary, I see his behavior very much fitting a typical terrorist. His actions were very much done as a political statement against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

that assumption has been shot down largely because of the fact that he tried to get out of army for a long time. None of this if the Army let him go with dishonorable discharge.

 

[Eve]

that assumption has been shot down largely because of the fact that he tried to get out of army for a long time. None of this if the Army let him go with dishonorable discharge.

He was spewing anti-war sentiments long before he tried to get out of the Army, though.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

... Before 2001?

No one (outside of intelligence) could had saw 9/11 coming. The worst place he could had gone to when he signed up in 1997 was Kosovo.