Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

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Yup, 13 is died as official but they will probably going charge as double homicide for killing of pregnant woman.
There may be a difference in how civilian law and military law view that. If I understand correctly, according to the UCMJ he will be charged killing the unborn baby by the military authorities even if the civilian authorities don't. I also am not sure how much jurisdiction civilian authorities have since this did occur on a military base. I am no lawyer.
 
Thanks, rockdrummer for bolding that. If it was in the previous post, I missed it. Then again, sometimes my eyes glaze over when I read statutes. Tedious reading! I also prefer to have an actual book. I'm one of the fogeys that hasn't adapted to electronic versions very well.
Sure no problem. I feel ya about glazing over whenever I read anything legal. Sometimes I have to read it several times to grasp it and even then I am not confident. It hurts my head.
 
There may be a difference in how civilian law and military law view that. If I understand correctly, according to the UCMJ he will be charged killing the unborn baby by the military authorities even if the civilian authorities don't. I also am not sure how much jurisdiction civilian authorities have since this did occur on a military base. I am no lawyer.

Oh really, interesting.

Thanks for gave us a rich information.
 
updates from Chicago news

Family, Patriot Guard escort soldier's body
Family, Patriot Guard escort soldier's body - 11/12/09 - Chicago News - abc7chicago.com

(CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Thursday brought a somber homecoming for a local soldier who was killed in the Fort Hood shooting spree.

Private First Class Michael Pearson was from suburban Bolingbrook.
His body arrived at Midway Airport Thursday morning and was escorted to a funeral home in Joliet by the Patriot Guard, passing several well-wishers.

Pearson's body was first driven through his hometown of Bolingbrook, where thousands waited to show their support.

The Patriot Guard, a caravan with family members, and a hearse pulled into the Illinois National Guard Hangar at Midway late Thursday morning. Two water cannons were fired in a salute to the fallen soldier.

An hour later, a military jet landed with the body of Pearson, who was one of the 13 victims killed in the Fort Hood massacre last week.

After the plane landed, Pearson's body was transferred to the hearse in the hangar and escorted to Bolingbrook by the Patriot Guard -- dozens of veterans on motorcycles honoring Pearson's memory. After a long trip down I-55, the motorcade exited in Bolingbrook, passed Pearson's home and then made a special trip to Bolingbrook High School. Pearson graduated from the school in 2006.

"We welcome them home and we send them off. It's just something that we feel that is the right thing to do," said Fred Vukadinovic, Patriot Guard.

"Seeing him in the hallway, he was just a very unique individual who always smiled and always said hello, and that always bodes very well when you're dealing with a young man, especially high school age," said Carolyn Toerpe, Bolingbrook High School.

While many on staff remember Pearson, current students were too young to be in high school when Pearson attended. Yet almost the entire student body lined the street and the school horseshoe. Some waved flags; others stood in silence as the hearse looped around the school.

"It's the right thing to do, to show gratitude for all the people fighting for us," said Mason Sheehan, student.

"It's sad. I didn't know him, but seeing people die for our country, it's tragic," said Kadime Imeri, student.

Onlookers with American flags also came to show their support.

"We home-school our kids, so this morning we just got ready and wanted to pay tribute to the family and just, in a way, share our own respect and thanks to them," Kara Schoenle said.

"I feel pretty bad, and I just want to honor the soldier that died for us," said Kara Schoenle's son Adam Schoenle.

"I was in the military, and I didn't do any combat or anything, but I love these guys.

What a total sacrifice for our country, you know? What a sacrifice," John Howell said.

Earlier this week, Pearson's brother watched a memorial for the victims in Washington from his Bolingbrook home.

President Obama offered reflective words about all of the victims, including Pearson and

Private Francheska Velez from Humboldt Park, who was also killed in the massacre.

Pearson had been away from home for a year preparing to be sent off to war. He loved to play the guitar and loved studying music.

"It was good to know people actually respect what they were doing, what my brother was doing," Kristopher Craig said.

After the procession through Bolingbrook, Pearson's body was taken to a funeral home in Joliet.

The wake is Friday and the funeral Saturday.

Pearson will be buried at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery.

Army Private Najee Hull, of south suburban Homewood, may also be heading back to Illinois to recover from gunshot wounds he suffered in the Fort Hood massacre.

His mother, Yvonne, was with him at a military hospital over the weekend.

Hull, who is 20, suffered three gunshot wounds and Wednesday underwent a final round of surgery.

His family hopes he can return to Homewood to recover as soon as he's strong enough.
 
Jiro said:
terrorist - nope. already disproved by CIA and FBI.
No they haven't. What they said is that they do not believe he was part of a broader terrorist plot. Meaning that they do not believe that he was acting in conjunction with other terrorists, but solo.
 
He's a bonafide Muslim terrorist, an Islamic nutball.

Here's an example of how those namby, pamby MSM can't even bring themselves to call Hasan as a terrorist.

Time Magazine Cover Asks If Ft. Hood Shooter Is A 'Terrorist?' | NewsBusters.org

Nidal Hasan, Fort Hood Shooter: Lone-Wolf Terrorism? - TIME

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A new study by the Culture and Media Institute, a conservative group, says the following: 85 percent of network evening news stories on Fort Hood did not mention the word "terror." In fact, in 48 reports, ABC, CBS and NBC referenced terrorism just seven times. Only 29 percent of the evening news reports even mentioned Major Hasan was a Muslim. Of those mentions, 50 percent defended Islam. And before the president's speech at Fort Hood, 93 percent of the network evening news stories ignored any discussion about a terror connection. But after the president said that extremist views were involved, all three networks began to report a possible connection to terrorism.

So you can see that apparently the American media is still under the sway of the White House and not accurately portraying things as they really are.
In TIME magazine this week, editor at large Nancy Gibbs leads the coverage with an article entitled: The Fort Hood Killer: Terrified or Terrorist?

With all due respect, I don't care if Hasan was terrified and I know he is a terrorist. The TIME article discusses the pressure of Iraq and Afghanistan, but you can't be blaming American foreign policy for the actions of a terrorist killer like Hasan. It simply doesn't add up
Why the Media Has Not Covered the Fort Hood Massacre Accurately - Bill O'Reilly | The O'Reilly Factor - FOXNews.com
 
kokonut, unlike Fox news, ABC, NBC, and CBS have more intelligence and they're just not sure what to make out of the shooting. They're assessing the incident intellectually. What makes a person a terrorist? Why can't we call serial murderers terrorists? Exactly what defines a terrorist?
 
kokonut, unlike Fox news, ABC, NBC, and CBS have more intelligence and they're just not sure what to make out of the shooting. They're assessing the incident intellectually. What makes a person a terrorist? Why can't we call serial murderers terrorists? Exactly what defines a terrorist?

Oi... now I want to post a rather famous YouTube about defining terrorism... but I respect the people involved in this unfortunate time.
 
kokonut, unlike Fox news, ABC, NBC, and CBS have more intelligence and they're just not sure what to make out of the shooting. They're assessing the incident intellectually. What makes a person a terrorist? Why can't we call serial murderers terrorists? Exactly what defines a terrorist?

You shouldn't discount Fox simply because you disagree with them. I guess the Wall Street Journal isn't "intellectual" either? Dorothy Rabinowitz: Dr. Phil and the Fort Hood Killer - WSJ.com
 
Serial murders are not terrorists unless they somehow fit the CIA's definition. Although they could and have terrorized neighborhoods or towns where people living there are impacted by those crimes.

Hasan planned this. The moment he began firing his weapon of choice that's when the terror began. CIA already defined the word "terrorism" and Hasan fits that bill and is a terrorist.

A: The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

•The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.
•The term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country.
•The term “terrorist group” means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/cia-the-war-on-terrorism/terrorism-faqs.html
 
And where is the political motive?

Getting out of the U.S. military? Challenging the government?

Yes, he may had contacted cells; yes, he may had gotten a business card stating he was a Soldier of Allah, however the big question is:

Does he just want out, or is he trying to change things?
 
Serial murders are not terrorists unless they somehow fit the CIA's definition. Although they could and have terrorized neighborhoods or towns where people living there are impacted by those crimes.

Hasan planned this. The moment he began firing his weapon of choice that's when the terror began. CIA already defined the word "terrorism" and Hasan fits that bill and is a terrorist.


https://www.cia.gov/news-information/cia-the-war-on-terrorism/terrorism-faqs.html

so...... where is the source or any confirmation by law enforcement or government agency saying that Hasan is a terrorist?
 
souggy said:
And where is the political motive?
He is against the war in Iraq/Afganistan and wanted everyone to know it.

Jiro said:
so...... where is the source or any confirmation by law enforcement or government agency saying that Hasan is a terrorist?
They are going to avoid making that admission at all cost. To do so would be admitting that they dropped the ball in the first place and nobody wants to take that blame.
 
I suppose killing 14 human beings in cold blood isn't about trying to change things, not about imposing Islamic views, and it was certainly not about getting out but getting even. He could've simply filed as a conscientious objector. He could've refused not to serve and maybe somehow get a dishonorable discharge instead.
 
He is against the war in Iraq/Afganistan and wanted everyone to know it.
so do hundred of other soldiers aka CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR. He tried several ways to get out. he was ignored by military. so what about that? does that make him a terrorist?

They are going to avoid making that admission at all cost. To do so would be admitting that they dropped the ball in the first place and nobody wants to take that blame.
well if the agencies and GWB were not afraid to admit that they dropped the ball on 9/11, surely they wouldn't be afraid to admit this Fort Hood incident.
 
I suppose killing 14 human beings in cold blood isn't about trying to change things, not about imposing Islamic views, and it was certainly not about getting out but getting even. He could've simply filed as a conscientious objector. He could've refused not to serve and maybe somehow get a dishonorable discharge instead.

all the facts are in articles posted in this thread. simply go back and read it. what you just said is a blatant distortion.
 
Again, hindsight is 20/20. Stop dwelling in Historian's fallacy.

The difference is now he is going to face the charges. The problem is what ARE going to be the charges?
 
Either way, Hasan's going straight down where he'll feel the heat.
 
Jiro said:
well if the agencies and GWB were not afraid to admit that they dropped the ball on 9/11, surely they wouldn't be afraid to admit this Fort Hood incident.
If you want to get technical on 9/11, it was the Clinton administration that dropped the ball first when they allowed Bin Laden to get away with the first WTC bombing. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. The fact remains that if Hasan's rampage is referred to as "terroristic activity" then more fear will spread throughout the land. People will become more paranoid than they already are. Ignorant masses will strike out against any and all muslims. So instead, we are directed to bury our heads in the sand to avoid any possibility of pandemonium outbreak.
 
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