Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

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Thanks, rockdrummer for bolding that. If it was in the previous post, I missed it. Then again, sometimes my eyes glaze over when I read statutes. Tedious reading! I also prefer to have an actual book. I'm one of the fogeys that hasn't adapted to electronic versions very well.
 
I believe that if one's violent actions are intended to make a political or religious statement, they are terroristic in nature. (yes, this includes Christian extremists that bomb abortion clinics)

yep. definitely a terrorist - like Eric Rudolph (domestic terrorist). He was responsible for abortion clinics bombing and Atlanta Olympic bombing.
 
it's funny... exactly how do we define a terrorist?

If a man loses his job and shoots people, does that make him a terrorist? If a man feels violated because of his religious beliefs and shoots people, does that make him a terrorist?

I posted the definition of terrorist as specified by US Department of State in my post #441

in your example - it's simply a case of "gone postal" or mad man.
 
Jiro said:
yep. definitely a terrorist - like Eric Rudolph (domestic terrorist). He was responsible for abortion clinics bombing and Atlanta Olympic bombing
no disagreement here
 
A "child" is not a dog or any thing else. A "child" is a person.

The UCMJ definition isn't "wordy"--it's precise. It certainly isn't politically correct. If it were politically correct it would use the term "fetus", and it would differentiate by trimesters and viability.

Please refer to rockdrummer's post "US CODE: Title 10,919a. Art. 119a. Death or injury of an unborn child".

It doesn't matter what anyone's stance is on abortion; the UCMJ is what it is--military law.

It doesn't matter whether or not you accept it; the UCMJ will continue to be enforced.

ah Reba... I knew you'd say that :)

but... there's really no point in continuing to exchange volley. we both have said our piece and now it's up to court to interpret the law. I guess we'll just wait and see.
 
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Hasan's calling card.

See "SoA"?
Stands for "Soldiers of Allah." And then you have "SWT." Read on.
Major Muslim's Calling Card: "SoA", "Soldier of Allah" - Atlas Shrugs

Also, couldn't help noticed the word "Psychiatrist" beneath those acronyms. Seems to be a recurring theme by people in the field of psychology when they go bonkers themselves.

added: Note the spelling of the word "health," too. Was he a licensed psychiatrist? Looks like he may have printed this up on his own.

Confirmed! Via WaPo and ABC.

The cards make no mention of his military affiliation, but underneath his name he listed himself as SoA (SWT). SoA is commonly used on jihadist Web sites as the acronym for Soldier of Allah, according to investigators and experts who have studied such sites. SWT is commonly used by Muslims as an acronym for Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala, Glory to God.

“He was making no secret of allegiances,” said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant…

U.S. officials and analysts told ABCNews.com today that Hasan used multiple e-mail addresses and screen names as he contacted several jihadist web sites around the world.

In addition to his contacts with suspected al Qaeda recruiter Anwar al Awlaki in Yemen, authorities said there is evidence he contacted other radical sites and individuals, including some in Europe.

Hasan Had Multiple E-mail Accounts, Officials Said - ABC News

washingtonpost.com

A wannabe terrorist who contacted other terrorists who finally became a terrorist himself!
 
so, koko, what you are saying is...."if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck..."
 
Actually, it does recognize the humanity of the baby:

"44a. Article 119a.--Death or injury of an
unborn child
a. Text of statute.
(a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who
engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions
of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby
causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined
in section 1365 of title 18) to, a child, who is in
utero
at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty
of a separate offense under this section and shall,
upon conviction , be punished by such punish -
ment, other than death, as a court-martial may
direct, which shall be consistent with the punishments
prescribed by the President for that conduct
had that injury or death occurred to the
unborn child’s mother. "

Please note that the victim is referred to as a child, not a fetus. The pronoun "who" is used to refer to the child, not the pronoun "that" for an inanimate object. A child is a person, not a thing.

Also note that the death of the child is considered "a separate offense." It is not part of the offense of the mother's death. It is separate. That means, even if the mother had survived vut the baby died, it would still be a charge.

Bingo! Bingo! Ring that alarm! Absolutely correct. As I stated before there were 14 victims murdered, not 13.
 
Confirmed! Via WaPo and ABC.



Hasan Had Multiple E-mail Accounts, Officials Said - ABC News

washingtonpost.com

A wannabe terrorist who contacted other terrorists who finally became a terrorist himself!

from your link -
United States Army Major Nidal Hasan proclaimed himself a "soldier of Allah" on private business cards he obtained over the Internet and kept in a box at his apartment near Fort Hood, Texas.

so all he did is order some business cards.... not exactly a qualifying factor for being declared as terrorist. :aw:

let's not play Sherlock Holmes in here, yes? why don't you leave the investigation to cops?
 
Oi... you can see why people were skeptical of the business card because it looked like something that came from 4chan.
 
Well, it's been confirmed. Bonafide. An Islamic nut and terrorist.
 
It would behoove us all if we actually just post the news rather than make speculations...

Reba and Sara1981 are dong a good job of doing that.
 
So, you're saying he's not an Islamic nut and terrorist?
 
It would behoove us all if we actually just post the news rather than make speculations...

Reba and Sara1981 are dong a good job of doing that.

Correct. He has already been tried and found guilty in here.
 
So, you're saying he's not an Islamic nut and terrorist?

Islamic nut - yes. that's proven
terrorist - nope. already disproved by CIA and FBI.

so where's the source of official confirmation that he's a terrorist?
 
updates from People Magazines covers below right
 
updates from yahoo news

Fort Hood suspect charged with 13 counts of murder
Fort Hood suspect charged with 13 counts of murder - Yahoo! News

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist was charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder in the Fort Hood massacre as he lay in a hospital bed Thursday, while President Barack Obama ordered a review to determine if the government fumbled warning signs of the man's contacts with a radical Islamic cleric.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan could face the death penalty if convicted.

Army officials said they believe Hasan acted alone when he jumped on a table with two handguns last week, shouted "Allahu akbar" and opened fire. The dead included at least three other mental health professionals; 29 were injured.

Additional charges were possible, said Chris Grey, spokesman for the Army Criminal Investigation Command. It had not been decided whether to charge Hasan with the death of the unborn child of a pregnant soldier who died, officials told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case publicly.

Meanwhile, Obama ordered a review of all intelligence related to Hasan to determine whether it was properly shared and acted upon within the government. John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, will oversee the review. The first results are due Nov. 30. Obama also ordered the preservation of the intelligence.

Members of Congress are pressing for a full investigation into why Hasan was not detected and stopped. A Senate hearing on Hasan is scheduled for next week.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, and others have called for a full examination of what agencies knew about Hasan's contacts with a radical imam and others of concern to the U.S., and what they did with the information. Hoekstra confirmed this week that the U.S. government knew of about 10 to 20 e-mails between Hasan and a radical imam, beginning in December 2008.

A joint terrorism task force overseen by the FBI learned late last year of Hasan's repeated contact with a radical Muslim cleric who encouraged Muslims to kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The FBI said the task force did not refer early information about Hasan to superiors because it concluded he wasn't linked to terrorism.

Hasan was charged in the hospital without his lawyers present, said John Galligan, his civilian attorney.

"What I find disturbing is that my client is in ICU, and he's 150 miles south of his defense counsel, and he's being served with the charges," he told The Associated Press. "Given his status as a patient, I'm troubled by this procedure and that I'm not there. I'm in the dark, and that shouldn't be the case. I am mad."

Months before the shootings, doctors and staff overseeing Hasan's training reported viewing him at times as belligerent, defensive and argumentative in his frequent discussions of his Muslim faith, according to a military official familiar with several group discussions about Hasan. The official was not authorized to speak publicly about the meetings and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Hasan was characterized as a mediocre student and lazy worker, which concerned the doctors and staff at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, a military medical school in Bethesda, Md., the official said.

Even outside the military, Hasan's behavior drew attention. Golam Akhter, a civil engineer from Bethesda, Md., said Thursday that he had spoken with Hasan about 10 times at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring before Hasan left for Texas last summer.

"He used to not believe that 9/11 was solely the work of Middle East people," Akhter said. "His main thing was, 'America is killing Muslims in the Middle East.' That made him very, very upset."

Akhter said he sensed that Hasan was "a troubled man" and feels guilty for not alerting others.

"I tried to convince him to try to be a moderate Muslim," Akhter said.

Hasan repeatedly referred to his strong religious views in discussions with classmates at Walter Reed, his superiors and even in his research work, the military official said. His behavior, while at times perceived as intense and combative, was not unlike the zeal of others with strong religious views.

But some doctors and staff were concerned that their unfamiliarity with the Muslim faith would lead them to unfairly single out Hasan's behavior, the official said.

Some questioned Hasan's sympathies as an Army psychiatrist, whether he would be more aligned with Muslims fighting U.S. troops. There also was some concern about whether he should continue to serve in the military, the official said.

But they saw no signs of mental problems, no risk factors that would predict violent behavior. And the group discussed other factors that suggested Hasan would continue to thrive in the military, factors that mitigated their concerns, the official said.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday he was appalled at news leaks about the investigation into last week's deadly shootings at Fort Hood.

"Frankly if I found out with high confidence anybody who's leaking on the Department of Defense, who that was, that would probably be a career-ender," he told reporters traveling with him to Oshkosh, Wis. "Everybody ought to shut up."
 
Maybe there's something I missed or am unaware of but why the "IF"?
Sorry, I was responding to Jiro's post 526 where he responded to;

The officials said it is not yet decided whether to charge Hasan with a 14th count of murder related to the death of the unborn child of a pregnant shooting victim.

I keep forgetting to multi quote.
 
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