Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded

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Steel X said:
"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.
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Huh? He could have recited Mother Goose for all I care. Where does a wife come into the picture? He was a loose doorknob and "Thou shalt not kill" meant nothing to him.
 
Steel X said:
"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.
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Well, I don't know who the pregant woman was or what her relation was to him but if it was an honor killing why bring down so many people down with him? It'd be more logical to do this in private than to go and kill so many people in an honor killing in a public setting.
 
We can neither understand the dark side of human nature nor reconcile it with the human being that we purport to know. We will always be left shaking our heads.

May the victims rest in peace and the survivors find solace. :cry:
 
Steel X said:
"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.
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Hasan wasn't married.
 
deafskeptic said:
Well, I don't know who the pregant woman was or what her relation was to him but if it was an honor killing why bring down so many people down with him? It'd be more logical to do this in private than to go and kill so many people in an honor killing in a public setting.
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The pregnant woman who was killed was no relation to Hasan. She was one of the soldiers who was shot by him. I don't know if he even knew her much less knew that she was pregnant.
 
Beowulf said:
Huh? He could have recited Mother Goose for all I care. Where does a wife come into the picture? He was a loose doorknob and "Thou shalt not kill" meant nothing to him.
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He wasn't married. Honor killing with the husband killing his wife is the only best example I put up with cause it happens ALOT. But it's not always about husband/wife thing. It can be many things...as I've heard one story about a teenage muslim girl who "converted" her religion to Christianity and her father threatened that he would kill her (aka honor killing) if she don't change back to her original religion. Her parents first thought she was "brainwashed" when she went to a christian church with her friends one time or whatever like that. They do NOT accept Jesus Christ as the son of God for some reasons. The teenage girl ran away from home and was hiding in FL with some friends for awhile and the muslim parents were worried about her as like they were any normal parents who worry sick for their kids gone missing want them to be home safe and all but...from what the girl said about her father suspected us...and the father said he NEVER said such things to her and that he loves her daughter very much, even if she converted her religion to Christianity, he still wants her to come home. So there is a court ruling on that but I don't know the outcome. Whether the girl have to go back to her parents or not...there were some pictures of her being scared shitless of her father so...who knows.
 
Muslim leader had troubling talks with suspect
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer Angela K. Brown, Associated Press Writer 28 mins ago

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist who authorities say went on a shooting rampage at Fort Hood was so conflicted over what to tell fellow soldiers about fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan that a local Islamic leader was deeply troubled by it, the leader said Saturday.

Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said he was disturbed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's persistent questioning and recommended the mosque reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at the sprawling Army post.

Danquah said Hasan never expressed anger toward the Army or indicated any plans for violence, but during the second of two conversations they had over the summer, Hasan seemed almost incoherent, he said.

"But what if a person gets in and feels that it's just not right?" Danquah recalled Hasan asking him.

"I told him, `There's something wrong with you,'" Danquah told The Associated Press during an interview at Fort Hood on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."

Authorities accuse Hasan of firing more than 100 rounds Thursday in a soldier processing center at Fort Hood, killing 13 and wounding 29 others in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S. At the start of the attack, Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted "Allahu akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" Hasan, 39, was seriously wounded by police and is being treated in a military hospital.

The military has said Hasan was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan, but family members suggested he was trying avoid serving overseas.

Hasan's relatives who live in the Palestinian territories have said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.

"He told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and American," said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin, told the AP from his home on the outskirts of Ramallah, a Palestinian city in the West Bank. "He hired a lawyer to get him a discharge."

The Army major also had previously questioned the U.S. war on terror.

A former classmate has said Hasan was a "vociferous opponent of the war" and "viewed the war against terror" as a "war against Islam." Dr. Val Finnell, who attended a master's in public health program in 2007-2008 at Uniformed Services University with Hasan, said he told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."

"In retrospect, I'm not surprised he did it," Finnell said. "I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were."

Danquah said his conversations with Hasan occurred following two religious services sometime before Ramadan, the Islamic holy month that started in late August. He said the soldier, who transferred to Fort Hood from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in July, regularly attended services at the Killeen, Texas, mosque in his uniform.

During his talks with Hasan, Danquah, 61, said he told him that Muslims were fighting each other in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories and that American soldiers with objections to serving overseas had recourse to voice such concerns.

"As a Muslim, you come into a community and the way you integrate normally — I didn't see that kind of integration," he said. Danquah, a retired Army 1st sergeant and Gulf War veteran, did not tell the military about his conversations with Hasan.

"I didn't think it rose to that level of concern," he said, adding that he thought the military "chain of command should have picked it up" if Hasan had issues.

Most of the wounded from Thursday's attack remained hospitalized, many in intensive care. Hasan was transferred Friday to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, about 150 miles southwest of Fort Hood. Army officials late Friday gave no indication of his condition except to say he was "not able to converse."

The bodies of the victims arrived at Delaware's Dover Air Force Base on Friday night and autopsies were being formed, said Dover spokesman Air Force Maj. Carl Grusnick.

The White House said President Barack Obama would attend a memorial service Tuesday at Fort Hood. Earlier Saturday, Obama said in his radio and Internet address that the training designed to keep U.S. forces safe abroad prevented further deaths and ended the rampage at Fort Hood.

Former President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, visited wounded soldiers Friday night at the post hospital. On Saturday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry also visited the wounded and said the soldiers he met with were honored to serve their country.

"What I heard time after time in those hospital rooms is they're honored to be able to serve our country," Perry said during a news conference.
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Associated Press Writers Dalia Nammari in Ramallah, West Bank, and Jessica Gresko in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.
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Suspect told 'There's something wrong with you' - Yahoo! News
 
Sad that people go postal and kill innocent lives....stupid people can't keep their temper under control.
 
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Does US military has anti-discrmination law against on religious harassment?
 
let me see here.

He is a psychiatrist.

He went berserk.

I wonder what his patients are going through right now?
 
Foxrac said:
Oh, got it and I'm not surprised about some armies are break the rule.
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Soldiers are humans so they don't all behave properly all the time, just like the general American population.

There is a legal difference between religious discrimination and religious harassment. For example, it's discrimination if a person isn't promoted or assigned to a special school because of religion. It's harassment if one soldier calls another one names or snubs him. In the military, there is another level for enforcing respect. People of different ranks or rates aren't allowed to disrespect others. That's a UCMJ offense.

To be honest, most military people who are offended by others of equal rank or rate aren't going to make a formal complaint. They don't want to be perceived as whiners.
 
Berry said:
let me see here.

He is a psychiatrist.

He went berserk.

I wonder what his patients are going through right now?
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More weirdness--five of the 13 victims were mental health professionals from the Army's Combat Stress Control Detachment.
 
updates from cnn

Army honors dead, searches for motive in Fort Hood shootings
Army honors dead, searches for motive in Fort Hood shootings - CNN.com

A CNN Special Investigation drills down on the causes and the impact of the Fort Hood shootings, at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on CNN TV.

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- Thirteen flag-draped coffins left Fort Hood on Friday as authorities searched for a motive in the massacre that left more than 50 casualties at the largest U.S. military base.

Thursday's mass shooting killed 12 soldiers and one civilian and wounded 38 people at the Fort Hood Army Post in Texas. The suspect in the shooting, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a licensed Army psychiatrist, was among the two dozen who remained hospitalized Friday night.

Hasan was transported to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, and was in critical condition but stable, a spokesman said. Investigators were waiting to speak to the comatose Hasan, who is under heavy guard, said Col. John Rossi, the post's deputy commander.

The bodies of the 13 personnel who died were transported through a "ramp ceremony" to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for a dignified transfer, he said. It was a "truly moving ceremony."

FBI agents helping investigate the shootings searched Hasan's apartment on Friday while investigators sifted through the crime scene, Fort Hood's military processing center, where soldiers report before they go to war.

Hasan, who worked at a hospital on the base, is accused of using two handguns in the shooting. Two law enforcement sources told CNN that one of the weapons used is an FN 5.7-millimeter pistol, a semiautomatic purchased legally at Guns Galore, a Killeen gun shop. Details on the other gun, identified only as a type of revolver, were not immediately available.

Rossi told reporters late Friday that both guns were privately owned and never registered at the post.

Earlier, officials said investigators were looking into whether some soldiers may have been shot accidentally by others trying to shoot the gunman. However, Rossi said, "All indications are that this is not a friendly fire incident. And, of course, that will be validated when the investigation is complete."

Rossi attributed the high casualty rate to the "more than 100 rounds" fired by the gunman and the relatively small size of the room, among other factors.

Fort Hood Police Sgt. Kimberly Munley, who has been credited with shooting Hasan and ending the massacre, was among the wounded. She was in stable condition Friday night, according to her family and military officials. Munley's partner, Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, was also lauded for "engaging" the shooter, Rossi said.

Todd, in an interview Friday night with CNN's Anderson Cooper, described the intense scene as both officers fired shots at the accused gunman.

"He looked like he was calm. He was just pointing a finger at me," Todd said. "The weapon ... I just know I saw the weapon and that's when we returned fire."

Todd, a retired member of the military police, offered his condolences to the families of the victims. "I wish we could've gotten there sooner and helped out a lot sooner -- but we got there as soon as we possibly could."

Texas Gov. Rick Perry was scheduled to visit hospitalized victims of the shooting Saturday.

As the Fort Hood community grieved its numerous losses, holding a candlelight vigil and setting up support lines, some details about the alleged gunman emerged. Relatives say Hasan, a U.S.-born citizen of Palestinian descent, was a "calm" individual who had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Others described him as a vocal opponent to the war on terror whose rhetoric concerned colleagues.

Fort Hood's commanding general said witnesses have reported that the gunman yelled "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is great," during the rampage. However, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said investigators had not confirmed that.

Hasan's neighbors at his Killeen, Texas, apartment complex said he cleaned out his place just hours before the rampage and gave copies of the Quran to several residents.

President Obama, in remarks Friday morning, cautioned against "jumping to conclusions" about what had triggered "one of the worst mass shootings ever to take place on an American military base."

He ordered that flags at the White House and other federal buildings be flown at half staff until Veterans Day, Wednesday of next week. "This is a modest tribute to those who lost their lives, even as many were preparing to risk their lives for their country," the president said. "It's also a recognition of the men and women who put their lives on the line every day to protect our safety and uphold our values. We honor their service, we stand in awe of their sacrifice, and we pray for the safety of those who fight and for the families of those who have fallen."

Obama said he met with FBI Director Robert Mueller and representatives of other relevant agencies to discuss the investigation. He promised his administration will provide updates.

The central question investigators want to answer: Why would a member of the military who had been trusted with helping others achieve a healthier mental state allegedly shoot his comrades?

"He took care of soldiers with behavioral health problems and also evaluated people who had disability evaluations," Braverman told reporters Friday morning.

Asked whether Hasan, 39, had seemed adequately prepared for his job, Braverman responded, "We had no indication otherwise."

According to the American Psychiatric Association, Hasan co-chaired a panel at the group's May convention titled "Medical Issues for Psychiatrists in Disasters."

Military records show Hasan received his appointment to the Army as a first lieutenant in June 1997 after graduating from Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, with a degree in biochemistry. Six years later, he graduated from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences' F. Edward Hebert School Of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland, and was first an intern, then a resident and finally a fellow at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

He was promoted to major in May.

Army Lt. Col. Wayne Hall said Hasan was to deploy to Afghanistan to work with a unit already there as part of behavioral health support. It wasn't clear when Hasan was scheduled to go overseas for what would have been his first deployment.

Since 2001, Hasan had been telling his family that he wanted to get out of the military but was unsuccessful, said a spokeswoman for his cousin, Nader Hasan. She added that he told his family he had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Nader Hasan issued a statement late Thursday on behalf of relatives, saying they were shocked by the shootings. Another family statement on Friday said, "We are mortified with what has unfolded and there is no justification, whatsoever, for what happened. We are all asking why this happened -- and the answer is that we simply do not know.

"We can not explain, nor do we excuse what happened yesterday. Yesterday's violence in no way reflects the feelings, beliefs, or principles of our family," the statement continued, adding that the family is cooperating with authorities.
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I can find nothing good to say or valid reasoning for this terrorists actions or his attack.
 
Reba said:
Soldiers are humans so they don't all behave properly all the time, just like the general American population.

There is a legal difference between religious discrimination and religious harassment. For example, it's discrimination if a person isn't promoted or assigned to a special school because of religion. It's harassment if one soldier calls another one names or snubs him. In the military, there is another level for enforcing respect. People of different ranks or rates aren't allowed to disrespect others. That's a UCMJ offense.

To be honest, most military people who are offended by others of equal rank or rate aren't going to make a formal complaint. They don't want to be perceived as whiners.
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Yup, I'm quite bitter at muslim people who couldn't take along with America and many terrorist has been commit by muslim people so I couldn't understand about what they are doing, however I don't say muslim is bad and they are just human like us does but their religion is quite odd to me.
 
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