School for Deaf files injunction

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ASLGAL said:
Ok, I'll play: Here is my not so vague one line retort -

How cute that you and your pals get such a kick out of castigating and harassing D/deaf people, your Mommas must be soooo proud.
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This is an online forum where being part of the D/deaf community or not really should not have any bearing on discussion and understanding of factual information. :type:

Please understand, we certainly were not getting a kick out of anything at any persons expense from this forum - we were getting a kick out of the skewed/backwards media in our region. :scratch:

I checked in with my mom earlier today, she said she is proud, but admittedly I haven't had a chance to call everyone else's mom just yet... :roll:
 
mis-information said:
This is an online forum where being part of the D/deaf community or not really should not have any bearing on discussion and understanding of factual information. :type:

Please understand, we certainly were not getting a kick out of anything at any persons expense from this forum - we were getting a kick out of the skewed/backwards media in our region. :scratch:

I checked in with my mom earlier today, she said she is proud, but admittedly I haven't had a chance to call everyone else's mom just yet... :roll:
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Right. Then why not take it up with your media?

What are you? Fifteen years old that you need mom's approval?:roll:
 
In and out quickly tonight as I have other obligations but had to post a little bit of personal research.


The only thing that can save the school is funding, not a study that will show it costs over $100,000/yr per student to run the school. All that will do is upset the general public of the area who is already complaining about rising school taxes for public-direct funded schools (of course at a much lower cost per student)
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Well, NO, It doesn't.
According to the (link below) last audit of the school it states 68,942 for the year 2005. One must look at that number in perspective. Standard Public Schools and Residential Deaf Schools can not be compared. The 68,942 may seem a high number but that number takes into account everything, from room and board to breaking down salary percentages of teachers and staff per student.

It seems the success of the school and willingness to adopt requested guidelines is superior.




http://www.auditorgen.state.pa.us/Reports/Performance/SO/stoScrantonSchool013007.pdf



It seems the "It's a political thing" is disproven by the bi-partisan support the Scranton School is receiving. We have heard from Murphy(D) on the matter and he and the Scranton School has Republican support as well.
Education is not her committee but it has not stopped her from voicing her objection and supporting Mellow and Murphy.

From her website.
Sen. Baker Questions Proposed Closure of Scranton State School for the Deaf

Harrisburg – During Senate Appropriations Committee hearings today on the governor’s proposed state budget, Senator Lisa Baker (R-20) took issue with “the method and manner” in which the state Department of Education made its decision to close the Scranton State School for the Deaf.

Baker told Education Secretary Gerald Zahorchak that she was troubled by how the decision was announced to parents and students – who received fed-ex letters of the closure with no advance warning or rationale for the closing. Many students and teachers from the school attended the hearing, held at the state capitol.

“Last year, you said you could not recommend any cuts to the education budget and now you are proposing two significant cuts involving students with special and unique needs,” Baker said, referring also to the proposed closure of the Scotland School for Veteran’s Children.

Baker, who chairs the Senate Veterans Affairs and Emergency Preparedness Committee, is planning a joint Senate-House hearing next Wednesday on the closing of the Scotland School. She also urged the department to reconsider the closing of the Scranton School for the Deaf, particularly since no specific accommodations have been made for its students.

“You’ve indicated that these children can be better served through your proposal – a plan that is not in place and does not offer any sense of stability to these children and their families,” Baker said. “You’re saying that you think you can have a program in place. I think what we’re saying is that much more work should have been done before moving forward with an unknown program.”

Baker added that she supports a resolution sponsored by Senator Robert Mellow (D-22) that would require the Legislative Budget and Finance Committee to evaluate the proposed closing and come back to the Legislature with recommendations.

She said her top priority is ensuring that students who attend the school receive the services they need to be successful

Sen. Baker Questions Proposed Closure of Scranton State School for the Deaf


Perhaps mis-information is concentrating on the wrong media outlets.
 
mis-information said:
:shock: Liar, really? Wow.... These Deaf forums are alot more angry than they used to be. :shock:

In my line of work, truth and accuracy of reporting is the only thing that matters. When something is reported in a newspaper, it is treated by the public as fact. When I see something that is completely incorrect, I thought I would provide a clarification to the users of this forum just because (and someone from outside this region would not realize this) - but our two newspapers are of the worst I have been forced to live in my time, both in terms of inaccuracies and being very aligned with certain politicians.

Allow me to recap all of my apparent "lies" so someone can post a vague one-line retort followed by a few others with fancy emoticons. :hmm:

1. An article was posted stating that Marywood University wanted to acquire, or otherwise use the SSD land for their School of Architecture. (I take issue with this statement, since the school is currently being built blocks from the SSD campus)

2. Currently the SSD is still operating and their land has not been touched by anyone.

3. The School of Architecture has been under construction for months. Typically in a construction project, you build the building on the land where you would like the structure to exist. Moving a 1 billion ton structure is kind of a pain in the butt.

4. The links I posted, specifically the one to the University website, states that the location of the new School of Architecture is on the Marywood Campus in their former HPE center, which if you look at the map is nowhere near the SSD. (actually you will not see the SSD on the map, since it is about 4 blocks away from the HPE center and is not included on the campus map)

5. As far as the comment about Scranton being a union town, those days are over. We have a mayor who has destroyed the police/fire/clerical/etc. unions where most of them have been working without contracts for years. It is a very corrupt political landscape unfortunately, a very "who you know" situation.

Not exactly sure why I keep posting. I would stop, but my co-workers are getting too much of a kick out of this.

Here i will save you the time:

:birthday: :grouphug: :iobarf: :fruit: :rl: :monkey: :fu2: :wackit: :booty: :buttsex:
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Hmmm....I don't see anger. I simply see well informed and logical responses to your posts.:cool2:

Methinks you have too much time to Google. No doubt that is how you discovered the posts on this topic in this particular forum.

What exactly do your co-workers have to do with this? I suppose the intent is for all of you to enjoy a laugh at the expense of the poor, misinformed deaf community. How very considerate of you.

If you are so concerned with "truth", how about providing something that in some way refutes the OP? To date, you have been completely unable to do so. It would appear that you have simply registered to attempt to fulfill a personal agenda. Quite frankly, the members of this forum are just as capable of discriminating information as are you. I don't know what led you to the conclusion that your assistance was needed in order for the members of this forum to be able to read with a discriminating eye. Perhaps your overblown sense of superiority?
 
Also per the article:

While Mr. Mellow said the Scranton school is too costly, he said the school is “not going to close.”

On Thursday, Mr. Mellow, along with Rep. Ken Smith, D-112, Dunmore, and Rep. Ed Staback, D-115, Archbald, boarded a state-chartered plane and flew to Pittsburgh to learn more about the Western Pennsylvania School for the Deaf.

“It’s just an incredible place to see,” Mr. Mellow said. “I really had my eyes opened.”

Mr. Staback, who has not visited the Scranton school, said he was “totally impressed” with what he saw in Pittsburgh.

He said that based on that, he would support the Western school taking over operations in Scranton.

“We want to see a facility in Scranton,” Mr. Staback said. “We’re going to do everything we possibly can do to make sure that happens.”

Mr. Smith, who would like to see the present school become the “keystone school for the deaf community” said the trip was “enlightening.”

“We have the buildings,” he said. “Given the proper funding, we could be that.”


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Some of the items in the plan, including Marywood taking over the property, “have been talked about in theory,” Mr. Mellow said. A final plan will likely be released in the next two weeks, he said.

So much for Marywood not taking over the property.:cool2:
 
ASLGAL said:
Perhaps mis-information is concentrating on the wrong media outlets.
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Perhaps the larger issue is that you are able to rely upon IS media outlets being that you are not local to the area.

This is not a knock on anyone - its simply a case of geography. I see the school for the deaf each day, and I see the school of architecture each day, both with are quite a few blocks from each other.
 
mis-information said:
Perhaps the larger issue is that you are able to rely upon IS media outlets being that you are not local to the area.

This is not a knock on anyone - its simply a case of geography. I see the school for the deaf each day, and I see the school of architecture each day, both with are quite a few blocks from each other.
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See post #26, taken directly from the source provided by you.

Evidently the fact that you see both locations on a daily basis has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Marywood School taking over the property has been discussed as part of the transition plan.

So much for your quest for "truth and accuracy."
 
jillio said:
Also per the article:
Some of the items in the plan, including Marywood taking over the property, “have been talked about in theory,” Mr. Mellow said. A final plan will likely be released in the next two weeks, he said.

So much for Marywood not taking over the property.:cool2:
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Where did I ever say that Marywood was not going to take over the property. Its a great piece of property, and I am sure the University could make great use of it. I have argued from the outset about the original article that stated the University was going to use it for their school of architecture.

Despite the fact that the school of architecture is currently being constructed more than a half mile away from the school for the deaf, you are hellbent on simply not listening to reason.
 
jillio said:
See post #26, taken directly from the source provided by you.

Evidently the fact that you see both locations on a daily basis has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Marywood School taking over the property has been discussed as part of the transition plan.

So much for your quest for "truth and accuracy."
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Again, I never stated that Marywood University was not going to get the property. I have stated again and again that it was not going to be used for the school of architecture. If you want to discuss accuracy then be specific and accurate
 
mis-information said:
Again, I never stated that Marywood University was not going to get the property. I have stated again and again that it was not going to be used for the school of architecture. If you want to discuss accuracy then be specific and accurate
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Nice attempt at backpedaling. Unfortunately, too little too late to retain any credibility on your behalf.:cool2: In fact, if Marywood takes over the property as has been discussed in the transition plan, how is it that you know what they would use the property for? It could very well be used for buildings associated with the School of Architecture.
 
mis-information said:
This is an online forum where being part of the D/deaf community or not really should not have any bearing on discussion and understanding of factual information. :type:

Please understand, we certainly were not getting a kick out of anything at any persons expense from this forum - we were getting a kick out of the skewed/backwards media in our region. :scratch:

I checked in with my mom earlier today, she said she is proud, but admittedly I haven't had a chance to call everyone else's mom just yet... :roll:
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Oh man, I feel like being unchristian right now. but don't you realize the internet is their source of communication??? it is not your average online forum where people hide behind their screenname and say whatever they want. You are insulting.
 
jillio said:
Hmmm....I don't see anger. I simply see well informed and logical responses to your posts.:cool2:
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Some have been logical and have added to the conversation, but some have been snarky, and more of a personal attack than an on-topic rebuttle, but nobody is perfect, right?

Methinks you have too much time to Google. No doubt that is how you discovered the posts on this topic in this particular forum.
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What exactly do your co-workers have to do with this? I suppose the intent is for all of you to enjoy a laugh at the expense of the poor, misinformed deaf community. How very considerate of you.

Wow, simply wow. As I previously stated, the only reason the co-workers were involved was as part of a discussion of inaccuracy of the media, and how it can be dangerous, nothing to do with the posters on this forum.:bowlol:

If you are so concerned with "truth", how about providing something that in some way refutes the OP?

I have tried an apparently have failed at convincing you that the Marywood School of Architecture (which exists about a half mile away from the site at which the article claims it will be built) That is fine. I have yet to find an article that states the Marywood School of Architecture will not be built there. Additionally I have yet to find an article that states the Pentagon will not be relocated to the SSD campus either...:wave:

To date, you have been completely unable to do so. It would appear that you have simply registered to attempt to fulfill a personal agenda.

Personal adgena? I would love for you to speculate on this. I would find that highly entertaining. :hmm:

Quite frankly, the members of this forum are just as capable of discriminating information as are you.

I never said that they were not. I think that there are some posters within this thread that are very knowledgeable and insightful, and I enjoy reading their responses. :ty:

I don't know what led you to the conclusion that your assistance was needed in order for the members of this forum to be able to read with a discriminating eye. Perhaps your overblown sense of superiority?[/QUOTE]

I never claimed that anyone needed by assistance to read with a discriminating eye. When I saw the phrase about "the ugly truth" that just made me feel like I could add something that I knew firsthand to enhance your experience. :ty:
 
mis-information said:
Some have been logical and have added to the conversation, but some have been snarky, and more of a personal attack than an on-topic rebuttle, but nobody is perfect, right?

Methinks you have too much time to Google. No doubt that is how you discovered the posts on this topic in this particular forum.
:wave::wave:

What exactly do your co-workers have to do with this? I suppose the intent is for all of you to enjoy a laugh at the expense of the poor, misinformed deaf community. How very considerate of you.

Wow, simply wow. As I previously stated, the only reason the co-workers were involved was as part of a discussion of inaccuracy of the media, and how it can be dangerous, nothing to do with the posters on this forum.:bowlol:

If you are so concerned with "truth", how about providing something that in some way refutes the OP?

I have tried an apparently have failed at convincing you that the Marywood School of Architecture (which exists about a half mile away from the site at which the article claims it will be built) That is fine. I have yet to find an article that states the Marywood School of Architecture will not be built there. Additionally I have yet to find an article that states the Pentagon will not be relocated to the SSD campus either...:wave:

To date, you have been completely unable to do so. It would appear that you have simply registered to attempt to fulfill a personal agenda.

Personal adgena? I would love for you to speculate on this. I would find that highly entertaining. :hmm:

Quite frankly, the members of this forum are just as capable of discriminating information as are you.

I never said that they were not. I think that there are some posters within this thread that are very knowledgeable and insightful, and I enjoy reading their responses. :ty:

I don't know what led you to the conclusion that your assistance was needed in order for the members of this forum to be able to read with a discriminating eye. Perhaps your overblown sense of superiority?
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I never claimed that anyone needed by assistance to read with a discriminating eye. When I saw the phrase about "the ugly truth" that just made me feel like I could add something that I knew firsthand to enhance your experience. :ty:[/QUOTE]

To date, you have added nothing to enhance anyone's experience, and in fact, have posted nothing that refutes the OP. Conversely, much has been posted to refute your position.:roll: And your sarcasm and patronizing attitude toward the members of AllDeaf has been anything but enlightening.

If your intent is to discuss the innacurracies of the media, then I suggest you find something that substantiates the innacurracies of this particular article, since that is what you seem to be basing your assumption of innacurracies on. So far, your own links have been used to indicate your misperceptions.

And, if a discussion with your co-workers was your intent, then no need to post in this forum.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Oh man, I feel like being unchristian right now. but don't you realize the internet is their source of communication??? it is not your average online forum where people hide behind their screenname and say whatever they want. You are insulting.
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Not hiding behind a screename? Did your parents name you Lighthouse77 after a grandparent, perhaps Lighthouse 76?

Please do not set aside your religion for me. After all, Marywood University (a religiously affiliated college) is apparently the devil here if you read all the posts above...

I realize that the internet is a source of communication, but do you realize that everything on the internet is not always based on fact?

God Bless:eek3:
 
mis-information said:
Not hiding behind a screename? Did your parents name you Lighthouse77 after a grandparent, perhaps Lighthouse 76?

Please do not set aside your religion for me. After all, Marywood University (a religiously affiliated college) is apparently the devil here if you read all the posts above...

I realize that the internet is a source of communication, but do you realize that everything on the internet is not always based on fact?

God Bless:eek3:
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Couldn't you just quietly sneak away? Please?
 
Lighthouse77 said:
(one of them is hearing.. and they have the rights to be mad as well)
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At what point did I attempt to take away anyone's right?

Don't automatically assume the position of the victim, because after a while, that is all you will know....:buttsex:
 
mis-information said:
Not hiding behind a screename? Did your parents name you Lighthouse77 after a grandparent, perhaps Lighthouse 76?

Please do not set aside your religion for me. After all, Marywood University (a religiously affiliated college) is apparently the devil here if you read all the posts above...

I realize that the internet is a source of communication, but do you realize that everything on the internet is not always based on fact? God Bless:eek3:
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Obviously, considering your posts.:cool2:
 
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