School Expels Girl for Having Gay Parents

[Liebling:-)))]

A lie is a lie. No one is "forced" to lie with the possible exceptions of physical torture or chemical influence. Any one who makes excuses for lying is a follower of moral relativism.

Check my response on Eve´s post over lies.

People are responsible for their own words and actions.

Yes, that´s right but the school should do something with mother directly instead of do something with a girl because it´s not a girl who is the responsible for break the rule but mother. :roll:

I hope you don't mean that you think those lies are acceptable.

Pathological liar and betrayal from my own family & friends are not acceptance to me. I teach my children why it is important to tell the truth because of trust development.

I don´t judge anyone who have good reasons to lie school, work, doctor, etc because it´s their business. All what I care is a poor girl, what the school did is pain wrong because of her parent... They are supposing to do something to deal with a mother, not a girl.

Unfortunately, if the school let the girl stay, she would learn that it is OK to lie without consequences. That is not a very good lesson.

Disagree, because a girl did not choose to break her school rule like what you said.

People are responsible for their own words and actions.

I don't like that school's rules. I would not send my child there.

me either

Our school would probably accept the girl if she was willing to follow the school's rules, and her mom was willing to support the school's rules. However, that school has the right and responsibility to maintain their own school's rules.

Exactly

Not at that particular school. She can try to enroll at another school.

Yeah, all what I hope for her to be happy and like other and better school.

I am rather curious why her mom wants her to attend a school that teaches that the mom's life style is sin. If mom doesn't believe in the things that the school teaches, why does she want to send her daughter there? Curious.

Good Question.

Perhaps she has a good reason for want to put her daughter to that school instead of public school. I dont know why... That´s why I didnt say anything to judge her because I didn´t know her side of story why she do that.

 

[Reba]

Well, I consider the people choose to lie is pathological liar but with a girl´s mother is a different. She has good reason to tell lie which she know it´s not right.

Unless the mom was lying under threat of her life or her child's life, she did NOT have a "good reason" to lie.

What she did belong sort of "force"/"have to". The people are being "force" (I would say "push") to lie for many reasons is fear of rejection, being failure, punishment, etc. etc. is not pathhological.

Do you understand the meaning of "pathological liar"? How can you believe that lying is OK? This is frightening.

It doesn´t bother me really what Clinton did because he is only human like everyone :roll:

No, he is not. I don't know what kind of people you associate with but Clinton's behavior was NOT "human like everyone" or normal. It was totally immoral. Maybe his behavior doesn't bother you because you don't have the same moral standards.

I do not judge him as liar but consider him as liar for good reason.

Again, I find this frightening that you think there is such a thing as lying for a good reason. Shivers....

What if she love that school?

So what if she does? That's life. We don't always get what we want. Kids have to transfer schools all the time for various reasons, and they survive. Families move, schools merge, kids flunk out, parents transfer the kids from public to private school, parents can't afford tuition, etc. There are many reasons. It happens.

 

[Eve]

I dont know why... That´s why I didnt say anything to judge her because I didn´t know her side of story why she do that.

And yet, you are so quick to judge the school. tsk tsk tsk

*edited because Reba beat me to it again*

 

[Reba]

And yet, you are so quick to judge the school. tsk tsk tsk

 

[Reba]

... I teach my children why it is important to tell the truth because of trust development.

But you also say that it is OK to lie "for a good reason". What does THAT teach your children?

I don't judge anyone who have good reasons to lie school, work, doctor, etc because it´s their business.

It seems that you "don't judge" liars who fit your criteria of a "good reason." Again, that is moral relativism. That means, you have no clear standards of good and bad, right or wrong.

All what I care is a poor girl, what the school did is pain wrong...

How can the school's actions be "wrong"? "It's their business", and they had "good reasons", as you said. You said, don't judge, right? That includes not judging the school's decision, right?

 

[MsGiglz]

We are in the 2000's but that doesn't mean that adults are allowed to lie, break agreements, or sign false statements without consequence. Maybe the mom should have thought more about how her actions could hurt her daughter, before she falsely enrolled her in the school.

The school must enforce its policies or else no one would ever respect or trust them again. It doesn't matter whether or not we like their policies. Personally, I would not enroll my child in that school. I wouldn't enroll my child in any school that had policies or a philosophy that I couldn't accept.

My points are: we are in 2000's alot of things are changed from 80's or 90's (and past).. We have more freedom in speech and rights.. the "suing" is very tense and senstive these days.. money guzzlers.. Lifesytle.. teenagers... we cant spank or touch or flick or tap on teenagers... they will just run to police or CPS that i touch or abuse.. teens think they have rights..
same with school.. they get what they want.. see kids not dress or not eatting enough or not enough sleep, they call CPS on their own parents..

and my point is:.. its crazy! we parents tried hard.. I would say 1/4 of us are hard working parents.. 3/4 parents are like.. dont want involve, or dont have time for kids' or dont have time for PTA or.. dont have time to vote something very important for kids.. like school rules.. they cant allow have children enroll if their parents are GLBT or disablities..

How sad... I point finger at Parents.. look at that girl's parents.. "her parents said they won't fight the ruling."

then its the parents problems.... some with other many parents..

Other things.. many many MANY children are different races, lifestyles and have many parents (stepparents &half parents) How the hell the schools or places reject them if parents or parent are GLBTs, druggers, prostitutes, old ages (parents), drinkers, poor, homless, disabilities and many more...
that is DISCRIMATION....

therefore .. like i said.. i feel bad for the girl.. some of you dont care about the girl.. thats shame...

:|

 

[The*Empress]

I don't see anywhere in the Bible that say that we shalll not divorce.

 

[Steel X]

I don't see anywhere in the Bible that say that we shalll not divorce.

only the catholics believe in that kind of stuff...saying that divorce is forbidden in marriage...but whatever. :roll:

what if you happened to marry a man who's always threatening his wife, beat his wife, and call her names and all that kind of stuff and isn't much of a good husband to her and she wanted to divorce him, but other ppl critize her that it's forbidden to divorce someone just because you are "catholics".

I don't get along or become friends with catholics anyway so whatever.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

err... Actually.. My opnion is... Young girl's mother is trying protection her own idenfity and prefer use "white lie" Isn't hurt none of harm.. but too late They already found out who they are... *flick the young girl out of private school*
Which Mother have good reason... She doesn't mean being hurt her daughter because afraid of out of closest front of public or anyone..
I believe She want best interest for her daughter placed suitable private school than public school because best education.

 

[The*Empress]

I tried to get in Christian Private School, but they were so strict
because my grade were bad and they won't allow me to go there.

But they have great Football team, wow.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Unless the mom was lying under threat of her life or her child's life, she did NOT have a "good reason" to lie.

wow, I already said in my previous post that that mother doing is not right... That´s what I mean she have to tell lie for reason.

Do you understand the meaning of "pathological liar"? How can you believe that lying is OK? This is frightening.

Don´t twist my word. I never say that lying is okay.

No, he is not. I don't know what kind of people you associate with but Clinton's behavior was NOT "human like everyone" or normal. It was totally immoral. Maybe his behavior doesn't bother you because you don't have the same moral standards.

I never said what Clinton did is normal but human like everyone... We find it´s absurd to treat Clinton the way like this because the marriage vow is between him and his wife. What I mean is married couples in the world did not being force to tell public how/what they break their marriage vows which it supposed be between them, not to public. It´s different story if Clinton is a criminal but cheat his wife like most husbands or wives did with their partner. It´s them who make their marriage work or whatever. We find it´s absurd to annonnce everyone in the world how/what he did with Monica which it´s suppose between him and his wife. It´s them who vow their marriage, not us.
I say again, I don´t care what Clinton did because it´s not my business.

Again, I find this frightening that you think there is such a thing as lying for a good reason. Shivers....

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Don´t twist my word again... :roll: Again, I never say that lying is okay.
We all need to open our mind when we see the different types of lies what the people did. What´s the reason they did etc.
Example:
The parent push the children to start lying out of their fear to not being punishment, etc. etc. etc. Most people lies for many reasons... I already said that I KNOW what they did is NOT right. We need to open our mind to see the view why the people lies for reasons or choose to lie for purpose... etc.
I would consider the lies cause friendship, partnership, family is a MOST TERRIBLE, that hurt trust development.

There´re many difference what/how the people lies to... We need to open our mind to see the view WHY they did wrong. Example: people lie to doctor that they are okay which they know they are not okay.

Remember, everyone are sinners... :roll:

So what if she does? That's life. We don't always get what we want. Kids have to transfer schools all the time for various reasons, and they survive. Families move, schools merge, kids flunk out, parents transfer the kids from public to private school, parents can't afford tuition, etc. There are many reasons. It happens.

It´s sad

 

[GalaxyAngel]

You know that...

ALL EVERYONES CAN LIVE W/WHITE LIES.. You cannot hide yourself.. Includes you may have "tiny white lie" Aren't you ?
I admit I do sometimes use my tools: "white lie" *ahem* which I have good reason..
Aren't you admit ?
For example, If you're trying protect yourself.. so you can sweep dirty under the mat and don't let anyone know if you did or not. Extactly "white lie".

Extactly for example what mother did... She already white lie and doesn't want shown her idenfity.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

And yet, you are so quick to judge the school. tsk tsk tsk

*edited because Reba beat me to it again*

YES, YES, YES, I judge school because of that STUPID rule!!! What they did is discriminated to kick poor girl... It´s very disgust what they did to poor girl... *shake the head*

It shows the proof that they did a poor innoncent girl pain wrong as what the links written...

All what I care is a poor girl, period.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

YES, YES, YES, I judge school because of that STUPID rule!!! What they did is discriminated...

It shows the proof that they did a poor innoncent girl pain wrong as what the links written...

EVEN Eve did judge them too.. No difference.. *ahem*~

 

[The*Empress]

nobody cares about gay people, some people here don't
even want to talk about it or tired of talking about it.

So I am done with this thread.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

But you also say that it is OK to lie "for a good reason". What does THAT teach your children?

Don´t twist my word... I never say that I teach my children to tell lie for good reason. I teach my children to be open mind to see the view why the people did wrong instead of judge them. My children knows that lies are not acceptance.

It seems that you "don't judge" liars who fit your criteria of a "good reason." Again, that is moral relativism. That means, you have no clear standards of good and bad, right or wrong.

:roll: You need to open mind to see the view why the people tell lies instead of judge them. This is a simple.

How can the school's actions be "wrong"? "It's their business", and they had "good reasons", as you said. You said, don't judge, right? That includes not judging the school's decision, right?

Don´t twist my word. I already said in my previous posts that I don´t care what anyone make their rules but all what I CARE is what the school did PAIN WRONG to a girl whom she did not break her rule but her mother. They are suppose to deal with mother, not girl. That´s what I´m judge for.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

My points are: we are in 2000's alot of things are changed from 80's or 90's (and past).. We have more freedom in speech and rights.. the "suing" is very tense and senstive these days.. money guzzlers.. Lifesytle.. teenagers... we cant spank or touch or flick or tap on teenagers... they will just run to police or CPS that i touch or abuse.. teens think they have rights..
same with school.. they get what they want.. see kids not dress or not eatting enough or not enough sleep, they call CPS on their own parents..

and my point is:.. its crazy! we parents tried hard.. I would say 1/4 of us are hard working parents.. 3/4 parents are like.. dont want involve, or dont have time for kids' or dont have time for PTA or.. dont have time to vote something very important for kids.. like school rules.. they cant allow have children enroll if their parents are GLBT or disablities..

How sad... I point finger at Parents.. look at that girl's parents.. "her parents said they won't fight the ruling."

then its the parents problems.... some with other many parents..

Other things.. many many MANY children are different races, lifestyles and have many parents (stepparents &half parents) How the hell the schools or places reject them if parents or parent are GLBTs, druggers, prostitutes, old ages (parents), drinkers, poor, homless, disabilities and many more...
that is DISCRIMATION....

therefore .. like i said.. i feel bad for the girl.. some of you dont care about the girl.. thats shame... :|

You nailed it beautiful...

It´s very very sad what they did a poor girl because of that stupid rule.

 

[Reba]

...Young girl's mother is trying protection her own idenfity and prefer use "white lie" Isn't hurt none of harm...

Actually, the mom's "white lie" proves the point that lying IS harmful. Her lie DID hurt her daughter.

 

[Reba]

Don´t twist my word. I never say that lying is okay.

You said:

I don´t judge anyone who have good reasons to lie...

If you are not judging liars then it means you accept lying if they "have good reasons". I am not twisting your words. You said it yourself. You believe that people "have good reasons to lie."

You need to open mind to see the view why the people tell lies instead of judge them. This is a simple.

I know the reasons why people lie. That doesn't mean they have "good" or acceptable reasons. They still have no excuse.

... They are suppose to deal with mother, not girl. That´s what I´m judge for.

They DID deal with the mother. They told the mother that she lied and that she needed to remove her daughter from the school.

 

[Reba]

...I never said what Clinton did is normal but human like everyone...

What is the difference between "human" behavior and "normal" behavior? If human behavior is not "normal" is it "abnormal"?

... It´s different story if Clinton is a criminal but cheat his wife like most husbands or wives did with their partner.

Excuse me?

We find it´s absurd to annonnce everyone in the world how/what he did with Monica which it´s suppose between him and his wife.

Just in case you didn't get the whole story in Germany, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath to the government. He was NOT impeached for adultery.

I say again, I don´t care what Clinton did because it´s not my business.

So why do you care about what happened in the Christian school? That is not your business either.

Remember, everyone are sinners...

That's right. But it doesn't mean we can tell God, "I had a good reason to sin", or "I'm only human", or "It's none of your business."