Say goodbye to full-time jobs with benefits

[Jiro]

We know this. Reba is a contrator......and I used to be. No one is claiming they did get benefits. That's the point. Employers are looking for ways to avoid paying healthcare .....so they are going to the old reliable....contractors. Never had to pay benefits for them.....still don't.

so was I. I'm a freelancer as well.

again - I fail to see any strong connection between with this and Obamacare. This happened long time ago when companies start outsourcing to Asia or wherever. I believe this article is as erroneous as ESPN's article about Obama's ban on fishing.

 

[TXgolfer]

so was I. I'm a freelancer as well.

again - I fail to see any strong connection between with this and Obamacare. This happened long time ago when companies start outsourcing to Asia or wherever. I believe this article is as erroneous as ESPN's article about Obama's ban on fishing.

We will see. I doubt it has started in great numbers but I do expect it to happen. I predicted as much in threads past. Employers that are hit by this mandate would be crazy not hire contractors and pert timers if they can manage it.

 

[Jiro]

We will see. I doubt it has started in great numbers but I do expect it to happen. I predicted as much in threads past. Employers that are hit by this mandate would be crazy not hire contractors and pert timers if they can manage it.

eh - we'll be fine. we adapt and manage. look from the past. we went from a few colonies to 13 states to USA.... and many legislative changes. 2 world wars. great depression. several recessions. New Deal. Tariff Act. Real Estate Bubble Burst. etc. etc. etc. we'll be fine.

stop clinging onto past. stop clinging onto Reaganism. Stop clinging onto "good ole' America". Look forward. Be adaptive. (not you)

 

[TXgolfer]

eh - we'll be fine. we adapt and manage. look from the past. we went from a few colonies to 13 states to USA.... and many legislative changes. 2 world wars. great depression. several recessions. New Deal. Tariff Act. Real Estate Bubble Burst. etc. etc. etc. we'll be fine.

stop clinging onto past. stop clinging onto Reaganism. Stop clinging onto "good ole' America". Look forward. Be adaptive. (not you)

Yeah I think going to contractors is adapting....And a good thing. Smart thing too. I am surprised more didn't go to this after the family leave act.

 

[Jiro]

Yeah I think going to contractors is adapting....And a good thing. Smart thing too. I am surprised more didn't go to this after the family leave act.

there's no doubt that being a contractor/freelancer is fun but it has drawback. it's not a steady income.

but we'll see. it's changing.

 

[Reba]

there you go. Like Arizona's new immigration law that mirrors federal immigration law... the purpose of that statement you posted in your post #20 is for redundancy and no loophole. Obamacare is NOT requiring employers to provide benefits for contractor/freelancer.

I never said it required it.

The article (not I) stated that more employers will hire people as contractors and freelancers rather than full-time employees in order to avoid providing health care and other benefits.

 

[Reba]

5. As contractors/freelancers - you are paid more than full-time employee.

6. As contractors/freelancers - you are free to work for one or more employers (depending on contract, situation, time management, etc.)

Those statements are not always true.

I get paid more per hour as a contractor but I work fewer hours (sometimes no hours), so on an annual basis I don't make as much as a full-time employee, and I have no sick pay or paid vacations.

Technically I'm free to work for others but practically speaking I can't when my hours are "reserved" but I don't actually work or earn money for the main contract employer. By the time I'm "free", the other jobs are already booked by other freelancers.

 

[Reba]

We know this. Reba is a contrator......and I used to be. No one is claiming they did get benefits. That's the point. Employers are looking for ways to avoid paying healthcare .....so they are going to the old reliable....contractors. Never had to pay benefits for them.....still don't.

Yes, the construction industry has done that for years. Now others are joining them.

 

[Reba]

eh - we'll be fine. we adapt and manage. look from the past. we went from a few colonies to 13 states to USA.... and many legislative changes. 2 world wars. great depression. several recessions. New Deal. Tariff Act. Real Estate Bubble Burst. etc. etc. etc. we'll be fine.

stop clinging onto past. stop clinging onto Reaganism. Stop clinging onto "good ole' America". Look forward. Be adaptive. (not you)

"We" who?

There's a difference between national "we" and individual "we".

 

[Jiro]

Those statements are not always true.

I get paid more per hour as a contractor but I work fewer hours (sometimes no hours), so on an annual basis I don't make as much as a full-time employee, and I have no sick pay or paid vacations.

Technically I'm free to work for others but practically speaking I can't when my hours are "reserved" but I don't actually work or earn money for the main contract employer. By the time I'm "free", the other jobs are already booked by other freelancers.

I never said a contractor would make as much as full-time employee but you just proved my statement that you do get paid more per hour than full-time employee.

and I've already stated in my post #45 about the downside of being a contractor/freelancer that it has no steady income.

 

[Jiro]

Yes, the construction industry has done that for years. Now others are joining them.

"We" who?

There's a difference between national "we" and individual "we".

We all are affected by any change in workforce, economic situation, etc. There's nothing we can do about it. We all have to adapt to whatever the situation is... for better or worse....

 

[Reba]

I never said a contractor would make as much as full-time employee but you just proved my statement that you do get paid more per hour than full-time employee.

It depends; it's not always the case. In some situations there are no full-time interpreters at all, so there is no comparison.

and I've already stated in my post #45 about the downside of being a contractor/freelancer that it has no steady income.

That's why hourly comparisons aren't a good way to measure contractor income.

 

[Reba]

We all are affected by any change in workforce, economic situation, etc. There's nothing we can do about it. We all have to adapt to whatever the situation is... for better or worse....

That's why people write the article that we're discussing; to inform potential workforce of the changes that are coming down the pike. For college students and future members of the workforce, now is the time to realize and plan for the possibility that there won't be full-time jobs available for them. It's not to say, "There's nothing we can do about it."

 

[shel90]

Employers won't be providing it to the contract and freelance workers. That's the point of the article. That's why they won't be hiring employees that will require giving them health care benefits.

I had three jobs where I was hired as a contractual worker without health care and that was in the 90s and early 2000's.

Obama has nothing to do with this.

 

[Reba]

I had three jobs where I was hired as a contractual worker without health care and that was in the 90s and early 2000's.

Obama has nothing to do with this.

No one said that there were no contract employees before Obama.

They're saying there will be an increase in future contract employees.

"Experts say that number could increase to 40% or more in the next 10 years."

 

[Foxrac]

No one said that there were no contract employees before Obama.

They're saying there will be an increase in future contract employees.

"Experts say that number could increase to 40% or more in the next 10 years."

Well, health care reform is only partly affected but not whole.

It is just prediction.

 

[TXgolfer]

I had three jobs where I was hired as a contractual worker without health care and that was in the 90s and early 2000's.

Obama has nothing to do with this.

Obamacare does have something to do with the INCREASE contractor hirings vs employee hirings. And it will continue. It is common sense for mid size companies. The tax credit only covers half the cost.....so the mandatory coverage is still an expensive additional cost. Kinda crazy for a company to hire a full time employee and pay FICA and Health Ins. when they can hire a contractor or temp and avoid those costs

Nobody is saying contractor position didn't exist before.....Just that there will be an increase.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Well... I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it's logical to hire contractual workers to avoid employers' mandatory healthcare, but that's an easy one to patch up.

On the other hand, I am well aware how westernized countries are adjusting from shifting from industrial society to post-industrial society. With increased focus on IT and the corporate world, I can't help but wonder if that's the reason why over 30% are contractual workers.

This is from someone who is currently a contractual worker.

 

[TXgolfer]

Well... I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it's logical to hire contractual workers to avoid employers' mandatory healthcare, but that's an easy one to patch up.

On the other hand, I am well aware how westernized countries are adjusting from shifting from industrial society to post-industrial society. With increased focus on IT and the corporate world, I can't help but wonder if that's the reason why over 30% are contractual workers.

This is from someone who is currently a contractual worker.

IT no doubt has something to do with it too. I agree there

but

I don't see the easy patch for contract labor......nor the need for one

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

IT no doubt has something to do with it too. I agree there

but

I don't see the easy patch for contract labor......nor the need for one

Ask Germany and Japan.

Either way, I am just being skeptical about the cause of the projection rate.