Sarah Palin Quits

That's a shame to what she did to the wolves of Alaska. :roll:
 
saywhatkid said:
Yo, Einstein....in my state, the defeated Republican Senatorial candidate cost the taxpayers untold amounts of legal costs, plus 6 months of lost Senate representation, because he could not concede that the voters had chosen the other guy. He had recounts, lawsuits, etc, until the State Supreme court ruled for him to step aside. His replacement was finally sworn in this week. I liked the defeated candidate more than the one that was elected, but after this, I lost respect for him. Maybe he was hoping for a similar victory as Bush over Gore; the "hanging chad" debacle.
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Good thing that Franken's 2800 dead voters actually got counted. :cool2:
MINNESOTA VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters - Jrichardson’s blog - RedState

Glad to see you know where your ethics lie.

The thing is Palin's legal bills will not be paid by taxpayers but by her. A big difference when you're in the hock to owe 1/2 million dollars in personal legal bills.
 
pek1 said:
kokonut,

This isn't a reliable source of information as it's a blog of a wanna be. It's not credible. As a news reporter, if it's not coming from the source and reported through the media, it's not credible. The only thing above that is the actual statement from the source, such as The White House. This is only someone's personal opinion.

People, if we're quoting someone or a website, it needs to be factual and unedited for credibility. Your own credibility is called into account and I don't think I know anyone who wants to be known as a gossip and spreading stuff found on the Internet that's not factual. I'd be out of a job if I did that and my paper would lose credibility. That's not a good thing.
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Hmm, something that's a bit more...official? Like Federal court papers?
Obama's Motion to Dismiss Marriage case

And you wonder what do gays think about Obama's motion to dismiss the DOMA?
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Palin's Resignation Leaves Wake of Wildlife Devastation: Parnell Has Opportunity to Chart New Science-Based Path
The following statement from Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund President Rodger Schlickeisen is in response to the resignation of Alaska governor, Sarah Palin:

"Governor Palin's surprise resignation comes at a crucial point for wildlife and wild places in Alaska. In the just two and a half years of her term, she has made a series of decisions that prove she had absolutely no interest in being an environmental steward of the unique natural treasure that is Alaska.

"Instead, Governor Palin ignored our nation's leading wildlife laws and filed senseless lawsuits to pursue her anti-wildlife agenda. Palin's increasingly extreme anti-wildlife management policies included shooting wolves from airplanes and helicopters, using airplanes to track black and brown bears then shooting them from the ground, and the gassing of wolf pups in their dens. She even targeted wolves that had been part of a fifteen year long scientific study conducted by the National Park Service. All this, as well as her decision to fight much needed protections for both polar bears and Cook Inlet beluga whales, shows her blatant disregard for both science and environmental laws.

"Her efforts were, and still are, a threat to the natural integrity of America's last frontier, a state that boasts many national wildlife refuges, forests, parks and other federal lands, covering more than 200 million acres of the state. And if this isn't enough, Palin's persistent denial of global warming is sure to fast make her a political relic.

"Palin's successor, Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell, must now decide whether he intends to extend Palin's devastating and destructive wildlife legacy even further, or whether he intends to chart a new path, by removing politics from wildlife management and restoring science to the decision making process. He can be sure that Defenders will be paying close attention to his decisions."

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The Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund (Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund) provides a powerful voice in Washington to Americans who value our conservation heritage. Through grassroots lobbying, issue advocacy and political campaigns, the Action Fund champions those laws and lawmakers that protect wildlife and wild places while working against those that do them harm.

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Devastating? Destructive? Hardly. It's the other way around!

Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future.
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Aerial Wolf Predator Control in Alaska, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

:cool2::hmm:
 
kokonut said:
Glad to see you know where your ethics lie.

The thing is Palin's legal bills will not be paid by taxpayers but by her. A big difference when you're in the hock to owe 1/2 million dollars in personal legal bills.
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I take that as a dig on me. I clearly state I preferred Coleman, not Franken.
As for Palin, too bad. When you gain fame, there are all kinds of creeps popping out of the woodwork to take a chunk of your pile. Learn to deal with it. At least she can afford a lawyer. At least her state had 2 Senators in Washington. I paid for the Coleman thing. My state had 1 Senator for nearly 6 months. My guy, Coleman, lost. Now think....I don't vote party lines. I vote based on platform. Voting party line must be so simple. Is it too complicated to hear both sides?
Now on a personal note, I can see how you operate. Good luck trying to troll me. I have played with bigger fish.
 
shel90 said:
Gassing wolf pups isnt humane..
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So is letting orphaned pups stay alive without a wolf mother who have no way of protecting themselves or hunt for food. So is letting the wolf population go out of control decimating moose and other game animals where native Alaskans rely on game for food sustenance, especially Moose meat.
 
kokonut said:
Devastating? Destructive? Hardly. It's the other way around!



Aerial Wolf Predator Control in Alaska, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

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kokonut said:
So is letting orphaned pups stay alive without a wolf mother who have no way of protecting themselves or hunt for food. So is letting the wolf population go out of control decimating moose and other game animals where native Alaskans rely on game for food sustenance, especially Moose meat.
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As what the link you posted "predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year"

80% of many mooses and caribou????? It doesn´t tell anything...

how many predators together????

I prefer to use Defender of Wildlife´s link over Government´s link because their knowledge skill over animal is more than Government... I have read your link over population but it doesn´t tell very much than Defender of Wildlife... Defender of Wildlifer know more than Government.

Let discuss about population issues...

I search wild animal population in Alaska before I work out by division...

It written in 3 links about Alaska wild animals...

150,000 mooses

moose statistics

Over million caribous

Alaska Wildlife: Moose, bear, caribou, wolves

7,000 to 11,000 wolves

Alaska Wolves Background - Defenders of Wildlife

Of course we all know that population statistic is an estimation, it´s not just animal but human as well. We should work out -10% or +10% to estimation. That´s why I estimate half of wild animal population per a wolf.

Okay for now... I divided million caribous into 500,000 and 150,000 mooses into 75,000...

500,000 caribou divided by 7,000 wolves to 71.43 caribous per wolf.
75,000 divided by 7,000 wolves into 10.71 mooses per wolf.

It couldn't be that a wolf eat 71 caribous or 10 moose a day?

Normally, 3 or more wolves eat one caribou or moose a day. After that, they can survive without eat for days to weeks and then hunt for the food only if they are hungry.

I noticed that we didn't discuss about bears much... Is bear overpopulation reason why they have to kill? If yes, then is also feeble excuse, too.

Perhaps for you but not 70% Alaskans.



Good information about wolves

Wolves are predators. That means they kill and eat other animals for food. Depending on where they live, wolves live mainly on the meat from such animals as deer, moose, elk or bison. They also eat beavers, rabbits and even mice. They do not eat humans. In fact, wolves are very shy around people and try to avoid them in the wild. Because they usually hunt for large animals, the wolves work together to catch their prey. They usually catch animals that are sick, injured, very old or very young, because they are easier to catch. Wolves will eat a healthy, strong animal if they can catch it. Wolves need an average of three to ten pounds of meat each day. Hunting is not always successful, so their bodies are designed to feast (eat a lot) or famine (eat nothing). Wolves can eat as much as 22 pounds of meat at a time and then may not eat again for many days.
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Wolf Friends




I find that Government´s argument over population issues is a feeble excuse.
 
take a peek at the "Post a Picture the Number of Your Post" thread on 1075, this is where Sarah Palin lives now.
lol
 
saywhatkid said:
I take that as a dig on me. I clearly state I preferred Coleman, not Franken.
As for Palin, too bad. When you gain fame, there are all kinds of creeps popping out of the woodwork to take a chunk of your pile. Learn to deal with it. At least she can afford a lawyer. At least her state had 2 Senators in Washington. I paid for the Coleman thing. My state had 1 Senator for nearly 6 months. My guy, Coleman, lost. Now think....I don't vote party lines. I vote based on platform. Voting party line must be so simple. Is it too complicated to hear both sides?
Now on a personal note, I can see how you operate. Good luck trying to troll me. I have played with bigger fish.
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I'm still a Minnesota resident, as I haven't changed my license yet. Like you, I voted for Coleman because he was a better choice than Frankenstein. Six long years with that clod is beyond belief! He'll probably be signing autographs the whole time and not do a darn thing!
 
Liebling:-))) said:
As what the link you posted "predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year"

80% of many mooses and caribou????? It doesn´t tell anything...

how many predators together????

I prefer to use Defender of Wildlife´s link over Government´s link because their knowledge skill over animal is more than Government... I have read your link over population but it doesn´t tell very much than Defender of Wildlife... Defender of Wildlifer know more than Government.

Let discuss about population issues...

I search wild animal population in Alaska before I work out by division...

It written in 3 links about Alaska wild animals...

150,000 mooses

moose statistics

Over million caribous

Alaska Wildlife: Moose, bear, caribou, wolves

7,000 to 11,000 wolves

Alaska Wolves Background - Defenders of Wildlife

Of course we all know that population statistic is an estimation, it´s not just animal but human as well. We should work out -10% or +10% to estimation. That´s why I estimate half of wild animal population per a wolf.

Okay for now... I divided million caribous into 500,000 and 150,000 mooses into 75,000...

500,000 caribou divided by 7,000 wolves to 71.43 caribous per wolf.
75,000 divided by 7,000 wolves into 10.71 mooses per wolf.

It couldn't be that a wolf eat 71 caribous or 10 moose a day?

Normally, 3 or more wolves eat one caribou or moose a day. After that, they can survive without eat for days to weeks and then hunt for the food only if they are hungry.

I noticed that we didn't discuss about bears much... Is bear overpopulation reason why they have to kill? If yes, then is also feeble excuse, too.

Perhaps for you but not 70% Alaskans.

Good information about wolves

Wolf Friends

I find that Government´s argument over population issues is a feeble excuse.
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Wolves are efficient predators. Most often they go after the baby moose (calves and yearlings), not the adult who are much older and learned to avoid wolves. They also rear on avg 3 youngs vs a moose single young. In other words, wolves population easily bounces back. Moose cannot if their youngs are killed by wolves.

You need to have real data research on predation rate. It's better than to make something up along the way.
http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs/wolfpred.pdf
 
I'd say that owing more than 1/2 million dollars in legal bills is good enough reason to get out and go on the talk circuit to help pay off the debt. Earning $120,000 a year as governor will not help pay the bills. It's easy for anybody to scoff at that but until you actually get in their shoes and see that you owe more than 1/2 million dollars in legal fees I'm sure you'd change your tune in a hurry.
 
her goals are not to be a governor anymore

When she got the taste of the big world and the power that she has in it she became an ex governor at that time. She is simply finally being honest with Alaskans and going for the gold. She is shrewd as hell in her own way and has the gift of attracting people who really know very little about her and do not want to know more. They want their make believe Sarah. The woman is a brat who brings this stuff on herself and then blames others while constantly looking for an opening to slip ahead some more. She is not a diplomat at all and "gets" people who cross her. She is a real Alaskan woman and does have an understanding about hunting and fishing and falls solidly on the side of people who do so. To run our country? Sure if you want a far- right wing housewife that was a mayor of a town of less than 8,000 and was handed the governorship by a population that would have voted in a yellow dog if it was Republican and not Frank Murkowski the former Republican governor. She is not absolutely not qualified for an advanced leadership position. These problems that she is, by the way, using supporters money to defend came by way of her actions. She chose the board that throws out the ethics claims against her. Do you really want her finger on the red button?
 
pek1 said:
I'm still a Minnesota resident, as I haven't changed my license yet. Like you, I voted for Coleman because he was a better choice than Frankenstein. Six long years with that clod is beyond belief! He'll probably be signing autographs the whole time and not do a darn thing!
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Agreed. I was bummed. Franken was not the best choice. Oh well, at least he was not a clod for the first 6 months; he never had the chance. :roll:
 
kokonut said:
I'd say that owing more than 1/2 million dollars in legal bills is good enough reason to get out and go on the talk circuit to help pay off the debt. Earning $120,000 a year as governor will not help pay the bills. It's easy for anybody to scoff at that but until you actually get in their shoes and see that you owe more than 1/2 million dollars in legal fees I'm sure you'd change your tune in a hurry.
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I'd say the opportunity to represent your party as a Presidential candidate (Obama) is good reason to get out. :D
 
saywhatkid said:
I'd say the opportunity to represent your party as a Presidential candidate (Obama) is good reason to get out. :D
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Rather it'd be an opportunity for her to run once Obama managed to ruin America's economy. :cool2:

And they're already talking about a 2nd stimulus package, too! Money we do not even have at all. What better way to ruin Democrats run for Congress in 2010, and 2012.
 
kokonut said:
Rather it'd be an opportunity for her to run once Obama managed to ruin America's economy. :cool2:

And they're already talking about a 2nd stimulus package, too! Money we do not even have at all. What better way to ruin Democrats run for Congress in 2010, and 2012.
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I take it that you see the Republican as the "savior" party.
 
kokonut said:
Rather it'd be an opportunity for her to run once Obama managed to ruin America's economy. :cool2:

And they're already talking about a 2nd stimulus package, too! Money we do not even have at all. What better way to ruin Democrats run for Congress in 2010, and 2012.
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Right Right...and where were you when Bill Clinton was President?
 
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