Rolling Stone Calls For Repeal Of Second Amendement

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seb said:
I appreciate your opinion but I don't buy it. The NRA has always pushed the more is better ideology and "don't put any limits on what we can and can't own." It hasn't worked! Yes, these areas are gun free zones, but with relaxing these areas to allow guns, you are still going to get a lot of people shot and killed before the person doing the shooting can be taken out by someone with a gun. Lets look at the proliferation of the hand gun: how many places have seen a huge rise in the number of shootings and shooting related deaths in the places they live? Where I live we have already had probably 60 drive by shootings this year and I think it's up to 29 dead, Chicago had 600 shootings in I think a one month period and I'm not even sure of how many deaths. Back in the twenties Chicago had returned to basically the wild west with many civilians carrying a weapon(including machine guns) and it didn't stop the carnage just left more people dead. Since most of these "homicidal
maniacs" don't make it out alive they really don't care if they die as long as they take some people with them and the more the merrier.
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I appreciate your feed back, and would like to ask you if you had factored Chicago's gun ban for over 20 years and the number of shooting deaths over that time?

Did the ban work?
 
Steinhauer said:
I appreciate your feed back, and would like to ask you if you had factored Chicago's gun ban for over 20 years and the number of shooting deaths over that time?

Did the ban work?
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You can't have a ban in one place and not another. It has to be nationwide. You can ban something in one place, but if the person wants to get whatever is banned all they have to do is go to the next town, city, state, etc. Another thing that is playing into this is the fact that people no longer respect life and have no problem taking someones life. We probably have to start with the family and work out from there. Good luck on getting that done though.
 
Cappy said:
Do not forget the Oklahoma City Bombing: killed 168 people,[1] and injured more than 680 others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

And the World Trade Center Attacks (flying bombs): killed 2,606 people in and within the vicinity of the towers, as well as all 157 on board the two aircraft, injuried? who knows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973–2001)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
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We are comparing apples to oranges with those two attacks. The thread is about repealing the 2nd amendment, which will never happen.
 
seb said:
the number killed would more than likely be less than those carried out with assault weapons
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seb said:
We are comparing apples to oranges with those two attacks. The thread is about repealing the 2nd amendment, which will never happen.
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YOU are comparing mass shootings vs bombings. YOU say, one time mass shootings kill more than one time bombings. I am just stating facts. Apples and oranges, my ass.
 
seb said:
You can't have a ban in one place and not another. It has to be nationwide. You can ban something in one place, but if the person wants to get whatever is banned all they have to do is go to the next town, city, state, etc. Another thing that is playing into this is the fact that people no longer respect life and have no problem taking someones life. We probably have to start with the family and work out from there. Good luck on getting that done though.
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You are still not addressing the crux of what I had previously brought attention to.

A nationwide ban will not effect the bad guys. They will still have their guns, but more soft targets to exploit.
 
Steinhauer said:
You are still not addressing the crux of what I had previously brought attention to.

A nationwide ban will not effect the bad guys. They will still have their guns, but more soft targets to exploit.
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We will never know because the NRA is one of the organizations that own Congress and will put as much pressure on them as they need to in order to make sure nothing is banned. The NRA and the gun lobby also couldn't care less about how many people are killed or wounded in these massacres because all they do each time one happens is manufacture and sell more guns, to people who end up with the false sense that they are now safer now that they have another gun.
 
Cappy said:
YOU are comparing mass shootings vs bombings. YOU say, one time mass shootings kill more than one time bombings. I am just stating facts. Apples and oranges, my ass.
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If you look back at what I said I compared the Boston Bombing because that is what was presented to me. I didn't even know that the act of putting a moving van loaded with diesel and fertilizer and blowing it up and flying planes into building had anything to do with the 2nd amendment which is the heading of the thread.
 
Calvin said:
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It is more than just a numbers game... look deeper... what else does Canada do differently? Their whole mindset on violence and self defense is different than the US... but... while we are at it how about giving 18 year olds the right to pop open a cold one?
 
It's not about the numbers but Canada has better control with registration than USA does.

Gun politics in Canada is largely about registration. Handgun registration became law in 1934, and automaticfirearms were added in 1951. In 1969, laws classified firearms as "non-restricted", "restricted" and "prohibited". Since 1977, individuals who wish to acquire firearms legally are required to pass a criminal background check. From 1995 on, all firearms were required to be registered, but in April 2012 the requirement to register non-restricted firearms was dropped in every province and territory, except for Quebec. In 2015, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled against Quebec, thus the non-restricted registry records were destroyed in their entirety. From the 1990s up until September 1, 2015, there were two kinds of individual licences for firearms owners: possession-only and possession-and-acquisition. On September 2, 2015, all possession-only licences were automatically converted to possession-and-acquisition.
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More on history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada
 
Which has a stronger background check Canada or USA?

I guess Canada has lower homicide rate than America... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada#Murder_Capitals_since_1981

Historically, the violent crime rate in Canada is far lower than that of the U.S. and this continues to be the case. For example, in 2000 the United States' rate for robberies was 65 percent higher, its rate for aggravated assault was more than double, and its murder rate was triple that of Canada. However, the rate of some property crime types is lower in the U.S. than in Canada. For example, in 2006, the rates of vehicle theft were 22% higher in Canada than in the US.[30
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada
 
Calvin said:
It's not about the numbers but Canada has better control with registration than USA does.



More on history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada
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In the US if somebody, in a threatening way,starts walking towards you... what are your legal rights? Now look at Canada and ask the same question. This creates a different mindframe where violence is concerned. Not only that, but in 2013, it was the lowest homicide year for Canada... while in the US it was also decreasing it was not the lowest... and even as more gun control is argued for... homicide rate is steadily dropping in the US without them.
 
Steinhauer said:
Does Canada have a violent gang culture like the US has?

Switzerland doesn't have a violent gang culture like the US. They don't have stringent gun laws like Canada. What are their gun violence rates like compared to Canada?
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Yes, Toronto and Vancouver have gang problem for years, but not big as like in US cities (Chicago, DC, LA, Atlanta, NYC, Philly, Boston, Miami, etc).

The social class and morality are major factored in overall crime so Switzerland is mostly upper country with more economic opportunities, better morality and less poor people, even same goes with Asian cities like Seoul, Tokyo, Singapore and Hong Kong.

BTW, in Switzerland, all of you are required to serve in military with little to no exception.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Switzerland thus has a relatively high gun ownership rate (31%-61% in 2005, but declining).[1] Current research from 2014 estimates gun ownership rate around 25%, which is lower than most surrounding countries.[2] Since 2008, Switzerland has complied with European Union gun control requirements.[3] Automatic weapons are banned. In recent times political opposition parties and others have expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations, in response to a recent series of shootings involving army weapons.[4] A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.
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It looks like Switzerland isn't very gun friendly as state of Texas.
 
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