question for those who can lip read and talk..

Journey said:
"cha" only associated with big, not full, full was just the rest of the sentence I gave as an example. No idea how each morpheme because associated with the words or concepts they go with.
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Hmm, no wonder deaf friends from pub few years back look at me funny when do sign 'big' but no 'cha'.:giggle:
 
DeafBadger said:
I think I need a picture of the "cha" face. What does it look like? Does it look like when I say the word "chat"?

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Go to: http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi

Click on 'L' and then click on 'large.'

You can also click on 'B' and then click on 'big', but I like the way the first woman mouths it (mouths it, is that the right way to express that???) better.

ETA: I think I'm one of the slowest typists on AD! I was going to delete my post but I'll leave it up. This is one of my favorite sites because I like the way the video has a slide so you can slow it down. I find it comes in handy when I'm trying to figure out how to copy some of the signs.
 
SilentRider, sorry for turning your thread into an impromtu ASL lesson! :lol:
 
Pah related to Mah, they live in Ozark mountains, sell moonshine and raise babies.

Oh you mean the morpheme "pah"? :giggle:
 
Jazz, I think you have to share slow typer crown with me ... posters here on AD are lightening fast!
 
Jazzberry said:
My two cents FWIW.

I was raised oral and never taught sign.

Even though I and my family spoke English, I know that I never communicated really well with them when I was a child -- just on a very superficial level. This is because I had to strain so hard to understand what was being said that I was too mentally exhausted to get the deeper meaning and nuances.

And that was when I was communicating one on one with them. When I was a child, I was never part of a family conversation -- my hearing aid just wasn't good enough for that.
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Thx for sharing your experience .. just curious but did it make u feel u had to be someone else in order to have a decent level of communication with a hearing person? Do u feel reserved and have a hard time connecting due to your family experience? I know how a deaf person feels, but wonder if those who read lips and talked were affected differently that's all. If too personal no plm. I undy ..:shock:
 
Just I've had conversations with other deaf friends who tell me they refused to lip read. Refused to talk. That due to my doing so it enabled my family etc to not learn asl. But I feel it should be we both try understand each other in our own world.. I. mean how else do we survive the rat race.. dog eat dog world?
 
SilentRider said:
I've always wondered if it was just me or do other wearies who for many years learned to lipread and talk, at same time use asl with other ppl daily. In other words live in both worlds.. my question is do u feel like you are a different person when u talk and read lips, and write differently than how u would talk and type differently than how u would write.. lastingly feel like a different person when u use asl?

Its taken me a long time to notice that about myself.. I think when I talk and read lips im using so much of my brain that my heart doesn't come out. But in asl it opens up freely..
It's sad but I don't really feel like I know my mom or brothers since they don't sign.. but yet we exchange info. Anyways if u don't understand my question its OK.. it means it's just me lol. Thx for reading.
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A tad confusing but yeah, I think I get what you're saying - I do feel different depending on mode of communication but there's a big difference between speaking and lipreading with someone one on one and trying to do the same with a group of people.

Definitely easier to communicate in ASL with other deaf people and I do feel different - with other deaf people, it feels like a smaller world and more inclusive community and I don't feel left out, it does affect my behaviour for sure.
 
DeafCaroline said:
A tad confusing but yeah, I think I get what you're saying - I do feel different depending on mode of communication but there's a big difference between speaking and lipreading with someone one on one and trying to do the same with a group of people.

Definitely easier to communicate in ASL with other deaf people and I do feel different - with other deaf people, it feels like a smaller world and more inclusive community and I don't feel left out, it does affect my behaviour for sure.
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Appreciate your input :D. Like one example ill be dirt biking w/my hearing friend chat etc, run into a deaf friend and boom we start chatting 100mph with emotions laughter in few min then he takes off. My biker friend asks me who the hell was that? So i start explaining the deaf friend and he says no. You! Who was that.. damn I wanna learn sign Lang now.. lol. That's one example
 
SilentRider said:
Thx for sharing your experience .. just curious but did it make u feel u had to be someone else in order to have a decent level of communication with a hearing person? Do u feel reserved and have a hard time connecting due to your family experience? I know how a deaf person feels, but wonder if those who read lips and talked were affected differently that's all. If too personal no plm. I undy ..:shock:
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Oh, its not too personal, that's what user ids are for. :)

The main way my experience affected me was I felt it cut me off from people and from knowing many things that people find out about just by overhearing.

When I was about 3 or 4 I had my situation confused with being the youngest. I was not only the youngest in my family, but the two people I spent the most time with in the neighborhood were older than me also.

I assumed that when I got older I would be able to be more of a part of things with other people. I did not quite have the understanding of different hearing levels and how it related to what was going on with my family and my neighbors.

But eventually, I figured out that this was not the case. I met a cousin who was younger than me, my friends' younger sibs grew up and spent more time outdoors with us, and younger kids moved into the neighborhood also.
(ETA: I also went to nursery school when I was 4 years old. I think this is when I first realized that whatever this was (I still didn't know enough to verbalize it), it was not going to change. Here I was with many kids MY age. I often didn't know what was going on but I knew that they did. I couldn't really talk with them but I could see that they could talk with each other, and easily. )

Not being able to hear people well enough to communicate with them had a big impact on my life. I was fortunate that I met the neighborhood kids when I was so young so I was always able to be a part of things with them and even with new neighbors who moved in when I was older because I was part of the "gang". We met before that age (5? ) where kids get really conservative and only play with other kids exactly like them. There also weren't a lot of kids in the immediate area, so I think this made a difference too. If there had been, I might never have been able to break the ice with them because of the hearing difference.
Our friendship wasn't idyllic, there were problems and some of them were caused by our differences in hearing ability but I did have real neighborhood friends. This is really fortunate because if I hadn't had this little bit of normalcy in my life, I don't know if I ever would have been able to become a somewhat normal adult. (Well, I think I pull it off anyway. :) ) But I never was able to hear well enough to even speak with other kids in grade school except for very basic things such as please pass the paper, etc.

My speech was not good either and I didn't get to the point where I could speak passably well until I was about 18. Try looking for a job when you are 16 and can't speak well. Not easy. I'm sure other people on the board have had that experience also.

Looking back, I'm surprised I didn't really freak out when I was a kid. I didn't freak out, instead part of me felt like I was behind a glass window and frozen. I guess when you feel that way, you are not going to be able to freak out.

Fortunately I had a very strong belief that things would get better as I got older. I believed in that very strongly and that is what kept me going.

And I think you are asking me how does my experience affect me now? I think the main way it does is that it takes me a long time to warm up to some one and trust them. Hey! Maybe that's why I moved to NYC! Just kidding. A lot of NYers are very nice and warm people.
 
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Jazzberry said:
Oh, its not too personal, that's what user ids are for. :)

The main way my experience affected me was I felt it cut me off from people and from knowing many things that people find out about just by overhearing.

When I was about 3 or 4 I had my situation confused with being the youngest. I was not only the youngest in my family, but the two people I spent the most time with in the neighborhood were older than me also.

I assumed that when I got older I would be able to be more of a part of things with other people. I did not quite have the understanding of different hearing levels and how it related to what was going on with my family and my neighbors.

But eventually, I figured out that this was not the case. I met a cousin who wias younger than me, my friends' younger sibs grew up and spent more time outdoors with us, and younger kids moved into the neighborhood also.
(ETA: I also went to nursery school when I was 4 years old. I think this is when I first realized that whatever this was (I still didn't know enough to verbalize it), it was not going to change. Here I was with many kids MY age. I often didn't know what was going on but I knew that they did. I couldn't really talk with them but I could see that they could talk with each other, and easily. )

Not being able to hear people well enough to communicate with them had a big impact on my life. I was fortunate that I met the neighborhood kids when I was so young so I was always able to be a part of things with them and even with new neighbors who moved in when I was older because I was part of the "gang". We met before that age (5? ) where kids get really conservative and only play with other kids exactly like them. There also weren't a lot of kids in the immediate area, so I think this made a difference too. If there had been, I might never have been able to break the ice with them because of the hearing difference.
Our friendship wasn't idyllic, there were problems and some of them were caused by our differences in hearing ability but I did have real neighborhood friends. This is really fortunate because if I hadn't had this little bit of normalcy in my life, I don't know if I ever would have been able to become a somewhat normal adult. (Well, I think I pull it off anyway. :) ) But I never was able to hear well enough to even speak with other kids in grade school except for very basic things such as please pass the paper, etc.

My speech was not good either and I didn't get to the point where I could speak passably well until I was about 18. Try looking for a job when you are 16 and can't speak well. Not easy. I'm sure other people on the board have had that experience also.

Looking back, I'm surprised I didn't really freak out when I was a kid. I didn't freak out, instead part of me felt like I was behind a glass window and frozen. I guess when you feel that way, you are not going to be able to freak out.

Fortunately I had a very strong belief that things would get better as I got older. I believed in that very strongly and that is what kept me going.

And I think you are asking me how does my experience affect me now? I think the main way it does is that it takes me a long time to warm up to some one and trust them. Hey! Maybe that's why I moved to NYC! Just kidding. A lot of NYers are very nice and warm people.
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Wowzer! Alot of similarities! And how u were able to verbalize it in word, yep makes alot of sense. Im glad I asked. Thank goodness you have that strong hope for best.. the power of the mind is not to be underestimated .. makes me happy to hear it from another person who is making best of life. Thanks again for sharing your story. :ty:
 
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